S-Kyuu Boukensha ga Ayumu Michi - Tsuihou Sareta Shounen wa Shin no Nouryoku "Buki Master" de Sekai Saikyou ni Itaru - Vol. 2 Ch. 10

[dacraziguy]

I love how you people ignore how she immediately left on another quest when he collapsed and they didn't even knew if he'd pull through. She also never thought she had done anything wrong, nor apologized. Oh and bonus points, you Sasha defenders ignore that she happily allowed two of their group to sabotage Hyce, keep him from being trained, and actively trip him up every chance they had and it was them who got her to kick them out.

Which became even more ridiculous when they recently started recruiting low level newbs. And all of a sudden they can train them. The same training they gave Sasha, but withheld from Hyce. She allowed him to be turned into an errand boy who did all the menial tasks being treated like a servant rather than a member of the group and not only not receiving even the base training they're giving to the new folks, but loading him down with so many obligations and duties he couldn't even train on his own.

Sasha is NOT innocent in any of this, she saw all of it and permitted it. And since nothing has changed from the WN except for her being forgiven even faster, powering up even faster, chances are she'll find out and keep the two goombas who won't change their attitude towards Hyce nor change their ways and both want to bang her around too.

Do you forget that Hyce didn't have any skill to fight? it was that useless and she felt bad for him and didn't want him to die, that is why she kicks him. I'm not saying she never did anything wrong, but the power up Hyce got was pure plot armor, lol. The MC had reasons to be mad, but it's not like Sasha never tried to get close to him.

I'm not saying that she is innocent, but considering her intentions, she deserves some redemption. I'm not rooting for her either, I just think that she doesn't deserves so much hate.

 

[Malachite_Dragon]

"Oh hey, new chapter and it already has almost 200 comments, how did the writer put their foot in it this time."
God damn it.

 

[Chaos47]

Do you forget that Hyce didn't have any skill to fight? it was that useless and she felt bad for him and didn't want him to die, that is why she kicks him. I'm not saying she never did anything wrong, but the power up Hyce got was pure plot armor, lol. The MC had reasons to be mad, but it's not like Sasha never tried to get close to him.

I'm not saying that she is innocent, but considering her intentions, she deserves some redemption. I'm not rooting for her either, I just think that she doesn't deserves so much hate.

The author obviously agrees with you, so hey, you're the target audience I suppose. The way the story is told, we are meant to resent her for her actions. I agree with kicking him out, I also agree he should dislike her A LOT MORE than he did. If anything, his real resentment came from getting attacked by that monster after she gave him that information. The problem is that THAT was a misunderstanding, and both of them are to blame for not verifying and double checking the information of a new exploration area neither of them was used to. Her actions after his accident also paint her as someone more invested in her professional life than her personal life, given she took a long quest right after he was hospitalized, and never bothered to check on him. Her being that way is not really wrong, but we as the audience will have the "horns effect" applied to her since we are looking at the story from the MC's perspective.

 

[DBAV]

The author obviously agrees with you, so hey, you're the target audience I suppose. The way the story is told, we are meant to resent her for her actions. I agree with kicking him out, I also agree he should dislike her A LOT MORE than he did. If anything, his real resentment came from getting attacked by that monster after she gave him that information. The problem is that THAT was a misunderstanding, and both of them are to blame for not verifying and double checking the information of a new exploration area neither of them was used to. Her actions after his accident also paint her as someone more invested in her professional life than her personal life, given she took a long quest right after he was hospitalized, and never bothered to check on him. Her being that way is not really wrong, but we as the audience will have the "horns effect" applied to her since we are looking at the story from the MC's perspective.

The hate comes more from her perspective as a loving childhood friend compared to the "professional oriented" choice she made, if she cuts her relationship with him then we would simple perceive her as a cold heart professional.
Regarding verifying information, it's true that hyce shouldn't be trusting the people that exiled him that easily even if Sasha was supposed to be his dear chldhood friend, he learned the lesson and didn't trust her untill now for.... magical reasons.

 

[CommanderYammarkX6]

He was useless and she was afraid he might die. If it weren't because of the plot armor, he would've never made it, it made sense at the time. But well, it's funny how insecure people are in the comment section. I'm not saying that she never made a mistake, I just say that she is over hated.

There's no insecurity. Story writing and character are crap therefore people are calling it out as such.

Before the ghosting:

• There were numerous alternatives other than expulsion like actually training or helping him find out his blessing.
• There was no benefit of lying about the reasoning behind his expulsion. They could just said it was specifically for his safety then part ways on good terms but Sasha stupidly wanted to manipulate him into hating her - is this something a childhood friend would do? This did not even fully work other than Haise not accepting the gold. In fact, in both versions, they did not even use his earlier and past stunts of trying to prove himself as ammunition to even support their reasoning.
• Do you know the reason why Sasha gave the information to Haise? Because she wanted to lessen the hard feelings that she herself caused, however, this contradicts her reasoning of expelling him to keep him safe.
• Sasha gave information out to a D-Rank adventurer that she knows that is weak, has no party and access to his blessing because she only saw the location a day before and gave it right away with no research in just 2 months of not seeing each other.
• Even if Haise did the due diligence and avoid going - Legally, this would be classified as reckless endangerment and possible foul play if malicious intent is proven. Morally, it is wrong to carelessly suggest something to someone that might lead to harm, friend or not.

I did not even include the mistreatment that Haise suffered from Sasha and the priestess that was revealed late in the WN

 

[Chaos47]

The hate comes more from her perspective as a loving childhood friend compared to the "professional oriented" choice she made, if she cuts her relationship with him then we would simple perceive her as a cold heart professional.
Regarding verifying information, it's true that hyce shouldn't be trusting the people that exiled him that easily even if Sasha was supposed to be his dear chldhood friend, he learned the lesson and didn't trust her untill now for.... magical reasons.

But it really does look like she cut her relationship with him after the accident. They don't speak again until two years later. Where was his childhood friend during the hardest period of his life? She only tried to make peace AFTER he had gained power and fame. Maybe that wasn't her intent, but it still doesn't look good.

 

[itschiko]

meh

 

[0Zion]

Ew

 

[EvanStark]

Hyce's training is a plot hole in itself. We are told that the gun blessing is different from other blessings because it doesn't really give physical boosts to the body like other weapon blessings because they require you to swing the thing, unlike guns. We are specifically told that Hyce is actually pretty easy to kill. If you can manage to get near him that is.
So guild master prepared a hell regimen for him and that's how he was able to reach where he is today, alone. He is more or less physically equal to an A-B rank martial artist without the accompanying boost. So he is still the same Hyce. But somehow no one thought of getting him this training beforehand. Apparently, everyone had his well being in mind (lol). Kicking someone with a literal MASTER blessing the way they did was pretty retarded in the first place but as said before, everyone had an ulterior motive, mage didn't really give a fuck because he is autistic and archer is just a child so she has no say. We know what the remaining two feels.

You are also kinda ignoring a lot of things about Sasha.

It is a fact that she abused him during the entire time they started gaining ranks in the party AND ignored the abuse he suffered at the hands of the lesbian priest because she was also doing something similar. She shit on him during the day and cried herself to sleep because of it during the night but did it again next day anyway because she subconsciously started to see him as an anchor tying them down and took her frustration out of him. Archer tells us this during her monologue. Hyce picked up on this and that's why he was so reckless. He literally had no alternative because they didn't offer any. That's why he loses it when Sasha says "i did it for our dream" at the start. She didn't. She is trying to convince herself that it was for his own good but it was largely due her seeing him as an obstacle. She gave zero fucks. She didn't know what he was up to or even what he was going through after he was kicked. Well Roland did tell him to fuck off back to his village and stay there and she agreed. Guess it was not her responsibility.

Problem with Sasha is that she NEVER properly face, acknowledge and apologizes for anything she did. Specially the above part. Even in the chapters where she faces the fake Hyce who tells and shows it to her face, she still ignores it and just beats him (somehow). She gets out of that trail exactly as she went in. Zero change and confesses not long after as well which was hilarious. You can check the JP comments of this chapter too. They point it out too.

There is already contradictions in the writing up to that point as well. She yells "no don't kick him out" to her old self during the trial when fake Hyce shows her the moment she kicked Hyce again but she literally acknowledges not long ago that it was the correct choice. She is not even consistent in her own character. Author just got so much shit from the readers about her that he tried to make her look remorseful at that point but it doesn't work. Not after 200+ chapters of sweeping shit under the rag.

Everyone loves and worship the land she walks on. Never blamed for anything. Always getting praised. Inserted in to situations she has no business of being in. A randomly teleporting dungeon literally teleports ON TOP OF HER just so she can, once again, spend time with Hyce. It is ridiculous.
Even the guild master thinks fault lies mostly in Hyce when it comes to their conflict. Though he knows jackshit about all the shit he had to go through during when he was still in the party. But he knows HOW they kicked him and what they said during the expulsion but still doesn't care. This should tell you about the bias at work. No one can be angry at Sasha.

Sasha's biggest flaw is her writing. She is badly written, plain and simple. Author is trying so hard to make her look good next to all the other heroines he included (which are 100 times better then her in any metric), every reader who is not an equal simp for a fictional character is able to spot it instantly. He is in love with his character. That's pretty much it.

I've read up to 160 and I don't remember that "fake Haise" thing you mentioned... Does it happen after that? I need to catch up. If I'm not mistaken, there's already 200 translated into English.

Regarding what you all mention... In the group, they didn't treat him badly while he was in the group as some say; that's a lie. (The priestess is apart, because she hates all men, she is a yandere of Sasha.) It wasn't until they wanted to kick him out that they treated him badly. And THAT'S the reason for the real resentment of it all, not the Dragon, not the one who kicked him out, but the true purpose behind kicking him out.

The knight says it at one point, that they exaggerated the whole scene by telling him he was useless and wouldn't accomplish anything and had to leave, because they wanted to undermine his resolve to the point where he would not only want to leave the group, but also stop being an adventurer. Something the knight and the Priestess convinced him of.

That's the true resentment Haise harbors, and Sasha's true sin. She wanted to save him, shattering the hopes, dreams, and ultimately happiness of her childhood friend. The protagonist was devastated when he learned that his friend wanted him to give up on a dream they both shared and swore to fulfill together...

The only thing Sasha needs to realize is that giving up on your dreams can be much worse than death... and that's the sin she needs to repent of and ask for forgiveness for.

Another thing. The Guild Leader trained Sasha and Haise alone, reaching a certain level. Afterward, they continued on their own, but with the protagonist's level still very low, since Sasha relied mainly on his own skill.

Once Haise left the group and awakened his ability, he asked the Guild Leader to train him and teach him everything he knew (according to Haise, he is the best hand-to-hand combatant in the world). At that moment, he received insane training, and without any hand-to-hand combat skills, Haise became a beast in that regard as well, reaching an extremely high level, higher than Sasha or many other hand-to-hand combatants... all so he could be a solo adventurer, not dependent on other team members.

 

[Rafalga]

Regarding what you all mention... In the group, they didn't treat him badly while he was in the group as some say; that's a lie. (The priestess is apart, because she hates all men, she is a yandere of Sasha.) It wasn't until they wanted to kick him out that they treated him badly.

Sasha shitting on him all day long and venting her frustrations is a plot point. This is literally pointed out by the story. Priestess is an insecure bitch so that's a given. Roland just didn't care. Neither stopped it nor joined in till last second since he wants him gone as well and those two were doing a great job already. Tycoon only cares about books not people so he is not even a factor. Robin is a kid so no one truly cares about what she thinks.

The knight says it at one point, that they exaggerated the whole scene by telling him he was useless and wouldn't accomplish anything and had to leave, because they wanted to undermine his resolve to the point where he would not only want to leave the group, but also stop being an adventurer. Something the knight and the Priestess convinced him of.

I don't understand how you can say this then in the same breath say that it was only the priest that shit on him. This is abuse as well. More sinister and underhanded then anything else even.

 

[TenThousandWaspsInACoat]

But it really does look like she cut her relationship with him after the accident. They don't speak again until two years later. Where was his childhood friend during the hardest period of his life? She only tried to make peace AFTER he had gained power and fame. Maybe that wasn't her intent, but it still doesn't look good.

I mean, in the WN she very much abused him and took out her frustrations on him on the regular. She allowed the lesbian Priestess and Knight who both want to bend her over to influence her. When they kicked him out he became a target for everyone with a grudge against them, and everyone who was jealous of him prior. None of that bothered any of them including Sasha.

 

[Chaos47]

I mean, in the WN she very much abused him and took out her frustrations on him on the regular. She allowed the lesbian Priestess and Knight who both want to bend her over to influence her. When they kicked him out he became a target for everyone with a grudge against them, and everyone who was jealous of him prior. None of that bothered any of them including Sasha.

I don't usually like using material from other adaptations to prove a point, but yeah, this just shows she's even worse in the source material. So it would be normal for the audience (and MC) to at the very least dislike her, if not outright hate her guts and everyone else in her party. But I guess he will let bygones be bygones. Forgive AND FORGET. Typical Japanese Manga MC.

 

[brocoli01]

Well well well, kinda disappointed coz he's not the one who killed that turtle, but alright I'll keep goin

 

[dacraziguy]

The author obviously agrees with you, so hey, you're the target audience I suppose. The way the story is told, we are meant to resent her for her actions. I agree with kicking him out, I also agree he should dislike her A LOT MORE than he did. If anything, his real resentment came from getting attacked by that monster after she gave him that information. The problem is that THAT was a misunderstanding, and both of them are to blame for not verifying and double checking the information of a new exploration area neither of them was used to. Her actions after his accident also paint her as someone more invested in her professional life than her personal life, given she took a long quest right after he was hospitalized, and never bothered to check on him. Her being that way is not really wrong, but we as the audience will have the "horns effect" applied to her since we are looking at the story from the MC's perspective.

I agree that she is dumb and that for him, the low blow was the dragon deal. Also, maybe the reason I don't hate her that much it's because I don't see the story from the MC's perspective now that you mention how you look at the story. I'm an spectator judging like a god, lol.

 

[dacraziguy]

There's no insecurity. Story writing and character are crap therefore people are calling it out as such.

Before the ghosting:

• There were numerous alternatives other than expulsion like actually training or helping him find out his blessing.
• There was no benefit of lying about the reasoning behind his expulsion. They could just said it was specifically for his safety then part ways on good terms but Sasha stupidly wanted to manipulate him into hating her - is this something a childhood friend would do? This did not even fully work other than Haise not accepting the gold. In fact, in both versions, they did not even use his earlier and past stunts of trying to prove himself as ammunition to even support their reasoning.
• Do you know the reason why Sasha gave the information to Haise? Because she wanted to lessen the hard feelings that she herself caused, however, this contradicts her reasoning of expelling him to keep him safe.
• Sasha gave information out to a D-Rank adventurer that she knows that is weak, has no party and access to his blessing because she only saw the location a day before and gave it right away with no research in just 2 months of not seeing each other.
• Even if Haise did the due diligence and avoid going - Legally, this would be classified as reckless endangerment and possible foul play if malicious intent is proven. Morally, it is wrong to carelessly suggest something to someone that might lead to harm, friend or not.

I did not even include the mistreatment that Haise suffered from Sasha and the priestess that was revealed late in the WN

Dude, you are talking like him having a power up was a matter of time, that's not something a character in a story will think. I do think that she did a lot of mistakes, that doesn't mean she meant harm. On a side note, I'm not reading the WN so I can't speak about what you mentioned yet.

 

[EvanStark]

Sasha shitting on him all day long and venting her frustrations is a plot point. This is literally pointed out by the story. Priestess is an insecure bitch so that's a given. Roland just didn't care. Neither stopped it nor joined in till last second since he wants him gone as well and those two were doing a great job already. Tycoon only cares about books not people so he is not even a factor. Robin is a kid so no one truly cares about what she thinks.

Where does Sasha's character-shaming behavior and taking out her frustrations on Haise happen? The only thing we saw was that when Haise was in danger and they had to save him, Sasha despaired for being so weak...

The Priestess is a yandere who hates all men in general (she has a trauma), but especially Haise, because they clearly saw Haise as Sasha's future partner. I don't condone her one bit.

Roland is another shitty asshole, similar to the Priestess, but with the difference that she wasn't a fake one. Roland, on the other hand, was a hypocrite who treated him well out of pure convenience, when he really wanted him to leave the team to remove an obstacle to getting to Sasha. I don't condone him in the slightest either.

They're both miserable and toxic.

Tycoon is a book geek, BUT that's precisely why he appreciated Haise, who's another book geek. The two shared conversations and knowledge in a way they couldn't with the other meatheads. But Tycoon couldn't go against the rest of the team, as the team gave him access to the best libraries.

Robin was just a child, that's all... even so, it doesn't make sense that Tycoon or Robin weren't shown getting closer to Haise during those two years. It's simply a narrative device, used to force a particular plot.

I don't understand how you can say this then in the same breath say that it was only the priest that shit on him. This is abuse as well. More sinister and underhanded then anything else even.

That's what Haise's trauma is all about, and why he can't fully forgive Sasha. He knows she didn't have any bad intentions at heart, no matter how much she keeps repeating the dragon thing; that's logical, and she's not malicious. But forcing someone to give up their dream, just so they're not in danger... is also terribly stupid and petty.

Obviously, there was also a degree of selfishness involved, because he never stopped to consider putting the group and their advancement on hold so Haise could find a way to use her ability... or at least that's not what they say at any point.

I repeat, I'm not excusing her for what she did wrong (being selfish)... now, burdening her with blame she doesn't have either makes no sense.

PS: You haven't answered me. Where does the "Fake Haise" thing happen?

 

[CommanderYammarkX6]

Dude, you are talking like him having a power up was a matter of time, that's not something a character in a story will think. I do think that she did a lot of mistakes, that doesn't mean she meant harm. On a side note, I'm not reading the WN so I can't speak about what you mentioned yet.

You misread. Where did I mention that she should have waited until he powered up (without any help from her)?

I'm saying that she should have considered the alternatives, be mature and acted like a childhood-friend instead of being stupid.

 

[Chaos47]

I agree that she is dumb and that for him, the low blow was the dragon deal. Also, maybe the reason I don't hate her that much it's because I don't see the story from the MC's perspective now that you mention how you look at the story. I'm an spectator judging like a god, lol.

See, you get it.

 

[randomuser53]

Is this getting axed? Manga original aside, Sasha asking for Haise to join Sacred is so out of the left field and so out of character. The girl is a fullblown mary sue, there's no way in hell would she ever come to the conclusion of asking Haise to come back. And in the off-chance it would happen, her party of simps would correct that way of think by telling her that she did nothing wrong.

 

[Rafalga]

PS: You haven't answered me. Where does the "Fake Haise" thing happen?

I'm not your fucking tour guide but it's chapter 243. God's Garden labyrinth