Ore ni Trauma wo Ataeta Joshi-tachi ga Chirachira Mitekuru kedo, Zannen desu ga Teokure desu - Vol. 6 Ch. 26.1 - 「The Worst Outcome」

[Beastkun]

best part was him actually fighting back as everything leading to it was super annoying

 

[xAKLx]

That lie was her trying to keep the story straight in her mind

But it is a lie regardless

She isn't going to lie about seeing kids ganging up on another one.

Why not? She needs to keep the story straight about Kokonoe being the bad guy

They would have probably brought it up in the class if he was there

Always an excuse, why would he need to be there? In fact, the best scenario is for him not to be there, so they can talk "privately" with the other kids. If he was there, he would need to hear the kids not believing what the teachers are saying and putting more pressure on him. If he wasn't there, the teachers could talk with the kids in a calmer manner and could plan for reconciliation.

The teachers TRIED to stop the bullying as soon as they saw it occuring.

literally when??
In chapter 25.1, after the accusation, the teachers noticed the kids calling him a thief and immediately predicted the bullying that was going to happen, they did nothing, literally just told him "Kokonoe-kun, you need to reflect properly when you get home!" so even after acknowledging that they were wrong for putting him in the spotligh,t their immediate reaction was to call him out again.

However, they were interrupted when he himself declared everyone as enemies

So what, they could just continue to say what they were saying, why didn't they continue? I mean, they had no problem interrupting every sentence he spoke when he was showing them proof of his innocence. The teachers didn't try shit, there were further opportunities for them to do anything, and it didn't happen at any point in time, so you can't possibly come here and say that "they tried but the kid interrupted"

The new teacher did not lie because she hated the mc, she "lied" as she was not sure WHEN her thing went missing and then assumed she got the time wrong!

Her words were literally "I don't think I am mistaken." She was decently confident about the timing until it couldn't be used to blame the MC

The spotlight and slap (which was not a slap directed the mc but the paper he was holding) was done because they are VERY incompetent.

1. It is still a slap. 2. in the LN it was to his face. 3. slapping a student is not being incompetent

Here's what ChatGPT got me about this (not saying that it is authoritative, and more to show my line of thinking):

My Question:
if a teacher slaps a student, is incompetent a correct definition for it?

ChatGPT said:​

Not exactly.
If a teacher slaps a student, words like "abusive," "violent," "unprofessional," or "misconduct" would be more accurate than "incompetent."
Let’s break it down:

• “Incompetent” means someone lacks the skills or ability to do their job properly — for example, a teacher who can’t explain concepts clearly or manage a class effectively.
• Slapping a student is a serious behavioral or ethical violation, not necessarily a sign that the teacher lacks skill — rather, it shows loss of self-control, abuse of authority, or misconduct.

He beat up three kids who were physically violent against him. Self defense is looked at differently than general violence.

Is it tho? I mean, the whole class found it justifiable to beat the MC into a pulp, which is really not that hard to make the argument that the MC should be able to beat them up, unless you are strictly talking about it in legal terms. Just look at the case of Luigi Mangione 😂

 

[exxeld]

oh my god beast mode lmfao. I didn't think we'd be able to tap back into MC's darkness that easily but this is fucking awesome lmfao. I'm surprised they managed to smooth over MC's reputation after this tho to be honest you'd think this event would be like a bigger deal.

 

[Burner5]

But it is a lie regardless

It is a lie if you stretch the definition, sure. What the new teacher was doing was her trying to get the story straight in her head.

Why not? She needs to keep the story straight about Kokonoe being the bad guy

These teachers do not hate him. Let me repeat, THE TEACHERS DO NOT HATE HIM. They are just incompetent,

Always an excuse, why would he need to be there? In fact, the best scenario is for him not to be there, so they can talk "privately" with the other kids. If he was there, he would need to hear the kids not believing what the teachers are saying and putting more pressure on him. If he wasn't there, the teachers could talk with the kids in a calmer manner and could plan for reconciliation.

He's an affected party and these are incompent teachers. They probably thought it was best for all parties to be present before they acted.

literally when??
In chapter 25.1, after the accusation, the teachers noticed the kids calling him a thief and immediately predicted the bullying that was going to happen, they did nothing, literally just told him "Kokonoe-kun, you need to reflect properly when you get home!" so even after acknowledging that they were wrong for putting him in the spotligh,t their immediate reaction was to call him out again.

They are INCOMPETENT! The acknowledgement was brought about due to how long their scolding was taking. So they rushed it along hoping that it wouldn't do too much damage. Also, the next day the put him in the spotlight only because he was the victim and they wanted to find out the people bullying him in the simplest way possible. It was also the worst way possible BECAUSE THEY ARE INCOMPETENT!

So what, they could just continue to say what they were saying, why didn't they continue? I mean, they had no problem interrupting every sentence he spoke when he was showing them proof of his innocence. The teachers didn't try shit, there were further opportunities for them to do anything, and it didn't happen at any point in time, so you can't possibly come here and say that "they tried but the kid interrupted"

The teachers were in shock that he would shout his declaration like that. As soon as they recovered they were more on guard and immediately tried to separate him from the rest of the class. They interrupted him because they were growing frustrated with him as he rebuffed any attempt of admitting guilt even though (in the teachers' eyes) he was at fault.

Her words were literally "I don't think I am mistaken." She was decently confident about the timing until it couldn't be used to blame the MC

It was her trying to line up events. Again, if you

1. It is still a slap. 2. in the LN it was to his face. 3. slapping a student is not being incompetent

Here's what ChatGPT got me about this (not saying that it is authoritative, and more to show my line of thinking):

My Question:
if a teacher slaps a student, is incompetent a correct definition for it?

ChatGPT said:​

Not exactly.
If a teacher slaps a student, words like "abusive," "violent," "unprofessional," or "misconduct" would be more accurate than "incompetent."
Let’s break it down:

• “Incompetent” means someone lacks the skills or ability to do their job properly — for example, a teacher who can’t explain concepts clearly or manage a class effectively.
• Slapping a student is a serious behavioral or ethical violation, not necessarily a sign that the teacher lacks skill — rather, it shows loss of self-control, abuse of authority, or misconduct.

1. It is a slap in the same way forcefully taking a piece of paper out of someone's hands is grabbing them.
2. The LN and manga are different stories. It should not be used as a point here.
3. The student was not slapped directly. It was the paper he was holding.

Additionly, using chatgpt (and not clearly stating the full context) isn't a convincing argument. (Also notice that the ai doesn't call it malicious).

Is it tho? I mean, the whole class found it justifiable to beat the MC into a pulp, which is really not that hard to make the argument that the MC should be able to beat them up, unless you are strictly talking about it in legal terms. Just look at the case of Luigi Mangione 😂

Are you seriously using the murder of a health ceo, which ultimately did nothing in the long term, as an example of justified violence. Also thanks for FINALLY noticing I was talking in a legal sense. Took you a while, eh?

 

[xAKLx]

Additionly, using chatgpt (and not clearly stating the full context) isn't a convincing argument. (Also notice that the ai doesn't call it malicious).

yeah no shit, that wasn't what I was asking the AI LMAO 😂

Are you seriously using the murder of a health ceo, which ultimately did nothing in the long term, as an example of justified violence.

Nope, as an example of the societal impact of the action

Also thanks for FINALLY noticing I was talking in a legal sense. Took you a while, eh?

You've literally been talking in both a legal sense and a social impact sense, so that if I criticize your argument in one way, you just say, "oh no meant it in the other sense bro!" a weird ass motte and bailey

You can't keep hiding behind the word incompetent (that you are using in the wrong way for many of the things that happened btw) and then pretend that the teachers will absolutely, from now on make the right decisions. Let's be real here, if this continued and they implied that the MC beat the kids up for no reason, you would be here saying, "I mean, they are not lying, they are just trying to keep the story straight in their head".

 

[Burner5]

yeah no shit, that wasn't what I was asking the AI LMAO 😂

I love how you ignored the prior points.

Nope, as an example of the societal impact of the action

You mean a blip on the radar where people said "CEOs are evil.", "US healthcare sucks.", "Down with the establishment." etc... which resulted in minimal societal change?

You've literally been talking in both a legal sense and a social impact sense, so that if I criticize your argument in one way, you just say, "oh no meant it in the other sense bro!" a weird ass motte and bailey

Ok, just because you can not understand that most of my "self defense" argument was MAINLY BASED ON THE LEGAL DEFINITION, doesn't mean I have been flip flopping.

You can't keep hiding behind the word incompetent (that you are using in the wrong way for many of the things that happened btw) and then pretend that the teachers will absolutely, from now on make the right decisions. Let's be real here, if this continued and they implied that the MC beat the kids up for no reason, you would be here saying, "I mean, they are not lying, they are just trying to keep the story straight in their head".

I don't think the teachers are malicious. I think they are stupid and bad at their job due to them being narrowminded. They failed to properly discipline a student who "did something wrong" (quotation is to show that this is their opinion not mine) and instead rilled the class against him. They then failed to control the class at multiple times. Finally, they failed to properly confront their suspect without losing control of their emotions. I understand that physical violence is bad. However, I don't think the mere act of using physical violence is malicious. Malice has to have purpose. These teachers do not have this purpose.
If they DO say that the MC beat up kids for no reason THEN I'd say they are malicious as that would be them directly antagonising the mc without any emotions to cloud their judgement.

At this point it is clear that we are just talking passed each other. You clearly see me as nothing more than a bully simp, and I am probably missing something about your points. Ah well. It's been fun.

Just one question: Is the inability to control your emotions incompetence or malice?

 

[xAKLx]

which resulted in minimal societal change?

So what? Your argument was about the MC having social repercussions, not about changing the world LMAO

If they DO say that the MC beat up kids for no reason THEN I'd say they are malicious as that would be them directly antagonising the mc without any emotions to cloud their judgement.

But that's literally equivalent to the teacher changing the story (timing) to fit the narrative that the MC was the culprit; they were literally just talking calmly at the moment, there was not "emotion to cloud their judgement" there, and if you want to make the argument that the overall stressful situation was the "emotion to cloud their judgement" then you literally can make that same excuse in the scenario where they imply that the MC beat up kids for no reason (and btw, this scenario is not about the teachers saying exactly this, it could be they say something like "Kokonoe-kun beat up 3 kids" without giving the context)

Just one question: Is the inability to control your emotions incompetence or malice?

It depends, if you act on it, like slapping a little kid, that's already past the concept of incompetence. It might not be malice, tho I don't know why we should care if their way of acting is indistinguishable from someone acting maliciously

They failed to properly discipline a student who "did something wrong" (quotation is to show that this is their opinion not mine) and instead rilled the class against him. They then failed to control the class at multiple times. Finally, they failed to properly confront their suspect without losing control of their emotions.

"They failed, they failed, they failed." Why are you only focused on this? I know you are trying hard to push the "they are just incompetent" narrative, but you have to know what you are doing here. You are putting extra focus on the things they failed to do and basically ignoring everything they DID do that would make them look malicious to anyone who couldn't read their minds. They made a false accusation, they put him in the spotlight, they called his home to tell his parents that he is a thief, they changed the story timing to make it fit their narrative, they put conditions on helping him with the bullying, "If you apologize properly, us sensei's can become your allies. I will properly scold the kids who were mean to you" (which is wild taking into consideration they already admitted they are at fault for putting him in the spotlight yet they still want to get something out of him before helping), they slapped him

edit: oh yeah, I forgot, they also blamed him for getting his shoes stolen 😭 you can't make this shit up

All of these are actions, this is not incompetence. Let me show you an example of a situation where both happened. Just after the initial accusation, they noticed that the kids were turning on the MC, 2 things happened here:
1. They failed to address the situation and stop the imminent bullying. They knew they were at fault, and could've done something at the moment, like, for example, say that it was a joke. This is incompetence, the inability to do something that they should be prepared to do. And sure, it wouldn't fix the original issue in their eyes, but at least it would fix the issue they caused.
2. The main teacher said, "Kokonoe-kun, you need to reflect properly when you get home!". This is an action; this is not incompetence. It is not that the teacher failed to do something, but that she took steps to make it worse, after mentally admitting that it was her fault. Her actions are indistinguishable from a malicious person, even if she is not malicious herself. So, call this whatever you want, but it is definitely not incompetence

 

[Burner5]

So what? Your argument was about the MC having social repercussions, not about changing the world LMAO

Minimal means little. Means it practically does not work. My point was that you bringing up Luigi as a gotcha was irrelevant as he ultimately failed to change society.

But that's literally equivalent to the teacher changing the story (timing) to fit the narrative that the MC was the culprit; they were literally just talking calmly at the moment, there was not "emotion to cloud their judgement" there, and if you want to make the argument that the overall stressful situation was the "emotion to cloud their judgement" then you literally can make that same excuse in the scenario where they imply that the MC beat up kids for no reason (and btw, this scenario is not about the teachers saying exactly this, it could be they say something like "Kokonoe-kun beat up 3 kids" without giving the context)

It ISN'T though.
1. The teachers are the victims of the theft and thus are DIRECTLY INVOLVED with the chain of events. Thus they will be more emotionally compromised. This can be seen by the glasses teacher's emotional outburst immediately after. As for the beating, they were (for all intents and purposes) 3rd party witnesses up until they intervened with the 4th kid.
2. The "lie" you've been constantly using as evidence was done as a means of her trying to get the story straight. Them "potentially" lying about the beating would be something that is more maliciously against him.

It depends, if you act on it, like slapping a little kid, that's already past the concept of incompetence. It might not be malice, tho I don't know why we should care if their way of acting is indistinguishable from someone acting maliciously

I care because most of my arguments were based off legal definitions.

"They failed, they failed, they failed." Why are you only focused on this? I know you are trying hard to push the "they are just incompetent" narrative, but you have to know what you are doing here. You are putting extra focus on the things they failed to do and basically ignoring everything they DID do that would make them look malicious to anyone who couldn't read their minds. They made a false accusation, they put him in the spotlight, they called his home to tell his parents that he is a thief, they changed the story timing to make it fit their narrative, they put conditions on helping him with the bullying, "If you apologize properly, us sensei's can become your allies. I will properly scold the kids who were mean to you" (which is wild taking into consideration they already admitted they are at fault for putting him in the spotlight yet they still want to get something out of him before helping), they slapped him

You are spreading your own narrative that ALL their actions are done because they are being malicious. The accusation was based on the evidence at the time. They didn't "put him in the spotlight". The stolen item falling out of his desk did as it was his classmates who noticed and pointed out that the handmirror was stolen. (Although the teachers DID fuck up when they scolded him in public). If a student is suspected to do something seriously wrong (LIKE STEALING), it is normal for the parents to be notified. On the "allies" comment, it's a common interogation tactic to try to build rapport with the suspect so that they reveal the information the interogator wants/truth. The slap was A) not aimed at him but the evidence he was holding and B) was done out of a lack of self control. Out of ALL the examples you gave, only ONE could be argued wasn't malice. The rest are either incompetence or normal behavior.

edit: oh yeah, I forgot, they also blamed him for getting his shoes stolen 😭 you can't make this shit up

This was said out of frustration. The teacher did not mean this nor would she say this if she was calm.

All of these are actions, this is not incompetence. Let me show you an example of a situation where both happened. Just after the initial accusation, they noticed that the kids were turning on the MC, 2 things happened here:
1. They failed to address the situation and stop the imminent bullying. They knew they were at fault, and could've done something at the moment, like, for example, say that it was a joke. This is incompetence, the inability to do something that they should be prepared to do. And sure, it wouldn't fix the original issue in their eyes, but at least it would fix the issue they caused.

"It is a joke" as a poor deescalation tactic as it is obivous to everyone that A)the item was stolen and B) Kokonoe's desk had the stolen item. The students would then wonder why the MC is being protected by the teachers, which could result in bullying.

2. The main teacher said, "Kokonoe-kun, you need to reflect properly when you get home!". This is an action; this is not incompetence. It is not that the teacher failed to do something, but that she took steps to make it worse, after mentally admitting that it was her fault. Her actions are indistinguishable from a malicious person, even if she is not malicious herself. So, call this whatever you want, but it is definitely not incompetence

How exactly is the teacher (who is trying to discipline a student of theirs but also realising that the longer the situation lasts the higher the likelihood the class will be uncontrollable) finishing the class as soon as possible but also reaffirming that the person in the wrong, malicious? They realised that direct confrontation while the class is present is harmful. That is why, when it looked like the class would go out of control the secomd time (after Korot

 

[xAKLx]

Minimal means little. Means it practically does not work. My point was that you bringing up Luigi as a gotcha was irrelevant as he ultimately failed to change society.

But we were not talking about "changing society" my dude 😭

The "lie" you've been constantly using as evidence was done as a means of her trying to get the story straight. Them "potentially" lying about the beating would be something that is more maliciously against him.

But it is a lie, and the fact that they can make shit up to fit their narrative means they could do it again.

They didn't "put him in the spotlight". The stolen item falling out of his desk did as it was his classmates who noticed and pointed out that the handmirror was stolen. (Although the teachers DID fuck up when they scolded him in public).

Scolding him in public is putting him in the spotlight; if the teachers didn't do that, 90% of the class wouldn't even know that the thing was found on his desk, and the rest wouldn't necessarily think that it was stolen. It was the teachers who put that idea into their heads; they could just assume that the sensei left it there by mistake, they didn't even know it was something missing. I don't even know why you are arguing this point. Is it just about semantics? Either way, the point is that it was their fault that the kids started turning on the MC, this is literally acknowledged by them

If a student is suspected to do something seriously wrong (LIKE STEALING), it is normal for the parents to be notified.

suspected? They were, for some reason, absolutely certain about it. There's no reason why they should call his parents before confirming or actually investigating the issue. They went straight to the accusation

it's a common interogation tactic to try to build rapport with the suspect so that they reveal the information the interogator wants/truth.

I don't know how you think this makes it any better. You are choosing to ignore all the context that would make this situation completely different from the scenario you are using to compare.

This was said out of frustration. The teacher did not mean this nor would she say this if she was calm.

so? very convenient really, every crazy bad actions these fuckers commit are because they are not calm, or need to keep their story straight in their minds, or because the kid who they have no problem interrupting and slapping interrupted them once

"It is a joke" as a poor deescalation tactic as it is obivous to everyone that A)the item was stolen and B) Kokonoe's desk had the stolen item. The students would then wonder why the MC is being protected by the teachers, which could result in bullying.

Damm, so now the kids are fucking geniuses? 😭 fucking incredible, all roads lead to Rome. Also, I want to know in what fucking world a kid being protected by the teachers would result in motherfucking bullying when bullying is 99% about picking the weakest target where no negative consequences are expected. At most, they would be "shunned" and only by the problematic kids, really.

How exactly is the teacher (who is trying to discipline a student of theirs but also realising that the longer the situation lasts the higher the likelihood the class will be uncontrollable) finishing the class as soon as possible but also reaffirming that the person in the wrong, malicious?

wtf are you talking about, the next panel is literally the MC apologizing to his CF because he was late, which probably means (in the best scenario) that the accusation took place after the class was over. But either way, noticing that the kid is going to get bullied because you shamed him in public, and your first reaction is to shame him more? 😭 That looks malicious to me, but nice try hallucinating a scenario of the teachers finishing the class early LMAO

 

[Burner5]

But we were not talking about "changing society" my dude 😭

Nonpoint. Next time don't bring up an example if you don't know how to argue it properly.

But it is a lie, and the fact that they can make shit up to fit their narrative means they could do it again.

The CONTEXT of the lie matters in determining if they'll do it again. The scenario that you brought up is much more servere and malicious than the scenario procen

Scolding him in public is putting him in the spotlight; if the teachers didn't do that, 90% of the class wouldn't even know that the thing was found on his desk, and the rest wouldn't necessarily think that it was stolen. It was the teachers who put that idea into their heads; they could just assume that the sensei left it there by mistake, they didn't even know it was something missing. I don't even know why you are arguing this point. Is it just about semantics? Either way, the point is that it was their fault that the kids started turning on the MC, this is literally acknowledged by them

I wonder why the teachers would A) acknowledge that their attempt of conflict resolution was bad and B) worry about the bullying. It is almost like there was no malice in their actions. Rather it is because they are INCOMPETENT!

suspected? They were, for some reason, absolutely certain about it. There's no reason why they should call his parents before confirming or actually investigating the issue. They went straight to the accusation

"For some reason". THE STOLEN ITEM WAS IN HIS DESK! 9/10 times that happens, the thief is usually the owner of the desk. They had every right to be suspicious. Secondly, you notify the parents as they are in charge of the kid so if anything happens or if their child is INVOLVED with anything, the parents need to know.

I don't know how you think this makes it any better. You are choosing to ignore all the context that would make this situation completely different from the scenario you are using to compare.

The context being that they were trying to negotiate with a suspect and bullying victim incompetently.

so? very convenient really, every crazy bad actions these fuckers commit are because they are not calm, or need to keep their story straight in their minds, or because the kid who they have no problem interrupting and slapping interrupted them once

Unless you can find any qoutes of them saying they hated the mc, then I think them being emotional, incompetent teachers adequately explains their actions.

Damm, so now the kids are fucking geniuses? 😭 fucking incredible, all roads lead to Rome. Also, I want to know in what fucking world a kid being protected by the teachers would result in motherfucking bullying when bullying is 99% about picking the weakest target where no negative consequences are expected. At most, they would be "shunned" and only by the problematic kids, really.

You are telling me that the teachers who made it clear that the mirror was stolen(something that is clear due to the fact it was a student that pointed out the stolen item NOT THE TEACHERS) would all of a sudden say they were joking when the mirror was discovered and everyone would accept that? ESPECIALLY since the actual culprit is present and likely instigating? Another thing, you are telling me that you don't believe the kid who is getting special treatment from the teacher (especially the POPULAR teacher) WOULDN'T piss off the class and cause them to act negatively to the kid?

wtf are you talking about, the next panel is literally the MC apologizing to his CF because he was late, which probably means (in the best scenario) that the accusation took place after the class was over. But either way, noticing that the kid is going to get bullied because you shamed him in public, and your first reaction is to shame him more? 😭 That looks malicious to me, but nice try hallucinating a scenario of the teachers finishing the class early LMAO

What do you mean, "shame him more"? They were finishing up their scolding of the guy AFTER they realise that it has already dragged on. THAT'S why the next panel is him meeting up with the childhood friend and NOT more panels of him getting scolded. The whole point is that they only realised AFTER they spent a while scolding him. (Also this is obivously the end of the day due to the fact this incident happened during clean up. )

In the end, my arguements are this:
1. Hanlon's razor: don't attribute malice when the action can be easily explained by stupidity. The teachers' actions can be easily explained by stupidity, thus I think that's the best explaination
2.The MC's actions were verging on excessive when it comes to self defense. I agreed with his actions up until he attempted to attack a fourth assailant instead of leaving the area. This is on a legal and tactical level.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I can't wait to find out if @xAKLx and @Burner5 find a post-limit for the MD forums.

 

[Joirish1495]

Might be a reflection of something, I can't put a name on it but bullied kids seem to have a place in the world and nobody likes it when they rebel against that notion. Most teachers in RL are not as incompetent as we'd like to think, they realize that kid is getting bullied but since there's not trouble for them they let it go.

Trust me man I've lived it, the brain damage from the head stomping has caused perminent damage. I got suspended as long as the person did it to me did so yeah teachers irl dont give a fuck if they arent bothered all that is to say: i have an unbelievable bias with this story

 

[xAKLx]

The CONTEXT of the lie matters in determining if they'll do it again. The scenario that you brought up is much more servere and malicious than the scenario procen

not really, example: someone comes to them and asks them what happened, they just say "the mc beat up 3 kids", and you would say "yeah, but they were flustered, so they forgot to mention that he was literally fighting back"

THE STOLEN ITEM WAS IN HIS DESK! 9/10 times that happens, the thief is usually the owner of the desk. They had every right to be suspicious.

Stolen item? who knew it was a stolen item until the teachers declared him to be the thief? also no, you have to provide a citation of that accusation that 9/10 times that happenes, the thief is the owner of the desk 😂 you can't just get stats out of your ass my man

Secondly, you notify the parents as they are in charge of the kid so if anything happens or if their child is INVOLVED with anything, the parents need to know.

Notify them that you are still investigating, not a formal accusation

would all of a sudden say they were joking when the mirror was discovered and everyone would accept that?

Yes, hell, they could have just said "this is a lesson to not jump to conclusions"

WOULDN'T piss off the class and cause them to act negatively to the kid?

not in a "let's bullying him" way LMAO 😂

What do you mean, "shame him more"? They were finishing up their scolding of the guy AFTER they realise that it has already dragged on.

My brother in Christ, check the order of the panels, chapter 25.1, page 10. We get 5 panels of the teachers noticing the issue they were causing. They literally paused for a moment, reflected "It's my fault" "If everyone starts thinking that Kokonoe Yukito is a Thief..." followed by "Kokonoe-kun, you need to reflect properly when you get home!" <= there's the shaming him more part. So my statement is correct, after they realized they were at fault, they literally proceeded to shame him more, saying that he "need to reflect" is literally an accusation of his "guilt", in front of the class, so this is an act to shame the kid. Their first reaction to "omg I caused a problematic situation that will most likely result in this kid getting his feelings hurt because we shamed him in front of the class" was to SHAME HIM MORE.

THAT'S why the next panel is him meeting up with the childhood friend and NOT more panels of him getting scolded.

So you do recognize that they didn't "end class early" to protect him? nice, welcome to reality

The whole point is that they only realised AFTER they spent a while scolding him

And then, after realizing that, they scolded him AGAIN, in front of everyone 😂 how is their immediate reaction to "scolding him publicly was a bad thing to do" to scold him AGAIN? 😭 you can't make this up

 

[Burner5]

not really, example: someone comes to them and asks them what happened, they just say "the mc beat up 3 kids", and you would say "yeah, but they were flustered, so they forgot to mention that he was literally fighting back"

Nice strawman. Response: what could also happen:
Teachers: "the mc beat up three kids-"
Authority: "how evil"
Teachers: "in self defense"
And then YOU would say "SEE LOL the teachers are evil because they didn't immediately clarify".

Stolen item? who knew it was a stolen item until the teachers declared him to be the thief? also no, you have to provide a citation of that accusation that 9/10 times that happenes, the thief is the owner of the desk 😂 you can't just get stats out of your ass my man

They KNEW it waa the teacher's item and they KNEW who's desk it came from. The teacher saying it's a joke wouldn't smooth that over. ESPECIALLY these INCOMPETENT teachers.

Notify them that you are still investigating, not a formal accusation

He was the prime suspect and there was no evidence at the time (except his own word) that anyone else was guilty. You are expecting the school to act like a proper investigation unit.

Yes, hell, they could have just said "this is a lesson to not jump to conclusions"

At BEST the kids will think the teachers are weird and ignore the lesson. At worst they'll call out the teacher's bullshit, ESPECIALLY since the culprit is already present there and knows the mirror was stoleb

not in a "let's bullying him" way LMAO 😂

Yes in a "let's bully him" way. Sheltered much.

My brother in Christ, check the order of the panels, chapter 25.1, page 10. We get 5 panels of the teachers noticing the issue they were causing. They literally paused for a moment, reflected "It's my fault" "If everyone starts thinking that Kokonoe Yukito is a Thief..." followed by "Kokonoe-kun, you need to reflect properly when you get home!" <= there's the shaming him more part. So my statement is correct, after they realized they were at fault, they literally proceeded to shame him more, saying that he "need to reflect" is literally an accusation of his "guilt", in front of the class, so this is an act to shame the kid. Their first reaction to "omg I caused a problematic situation that will most likely result in this kid getting his feelings hurt because we shamed him in front of the class" was to SHAME HIM MORE.

THAT WAS THEM FINISHING THEIR SPEECH! They were in the middle of scolding him > realised that it is bad to continue but couldn't just "let off" as they thought he was guilty > so they say one last sentence and then let him go. That isn't "shaming him more", it's finishing a thought.

So you do recognize that they didn't "end class early" to protect him? nice, welcome to reality

I said they finished their SCOLDING early. They CLEARLY wanted to say more but stopped themselves because they realised it wasn't effective.

And then, after realizing that, they scolded him AGAIN, in front of everyone 😂 how is their immediate reaction to "scolding him publicly was a bad thing to do" to scold him AGAIN? 😭 you can't make this up

"AGAIN?" They were finishing their thought. If you were scolding someone but they weren't responsive and you realised that it would harm them to continue, how would you finish?

 

[xAKLx]

Nice strawman. Response: what could also happen:
Teachers: "the mc beat up three kids-"
Authority: "how evil"
Teachers: "in self defense"
And then YOU would say "SEE LOL the teachers are evil because they didn't immediately clarify".

did they clear his name ever after finding out he was not the culprit? no? your magical scenario is shit bro 😭

He was the prime suspect and there was no evidence at the time (except his own word) that anyone else was guilty. You are expecting the school to act like a proper investigation unit.

I expect adults not to accuse others of things they can't prove, yes.

Yes in a "let's bully him" way. Sheltered much.

The bullied target only becomes a target because they are an easy target, the teacher's favorite is by definition not an easy target. You are confusing ppl disliking someone with bullying

THAT WAS THEM FINISHING THEIR SPEECH! They were in the middle of scolding him > realised that it is bad to continue but couldn't just "let off" as they thought he was guilty > so they say one last sentence and then let him go. That isn't "shaming him more", it's finishing a thought.

It wasn't really a finishing thought as they were expecting him to confess, there was a pause, and a decision to be made, and they decided to shame him more, they could easily've stopped right there "we will talk about this later"

I said they finished their SCOLDING early. They CLEARLY wanted to say more but stopped themselves because they realised it wasn't effective.

Bro I can read your previous comments, you didn't say they "ended the scolding early", you said "finishing the class as soon as possible", the class was already over, and you used this argument to say that they were not malicious, that "look at how good they are, ending the class early to not punish him more". And now you are changing your argument and saying that they ended their scolding early? This doesn't make anything better, you are literally implying that they were about to do even worse and giving them props for only making things a little bit worse instead of much worse?

"AGAIN?" They were finishing their thought.

This is not what "finishing your thought" means my dude, especially when you just took a moment to reflect that you did something wrong

If you were scolding someone but they weren't responsive and you realised that it would harm them to continue, how would you finish?

"Let's talk tomorrow" "we will continue to investigate", or just not finish at all and just send everyone home. In my case, I would try to delay harm, I would just say "oh now I remember, I put it there and got distracted.". I would definitely not keep committing the same error (publicly shaming him) after realizing it

 

[Burner5]

did they clear his name ever after finding out he was not the culprit? no? your magical scenario is shit bro 😭

So is yours. We are arguing hypotheticals.

I expect adults not to accuse others of things they can't prove, yes.

There was proof enough there. The item was in his desk and no one else That usually satisfies

The bullied target only becomes a target because they are an easy target, the teacher's favorite is by definition not an easy target. You are confusing ppl disliking someone with bullying

Bullying happens to a whole range of different people for a variety of reasons. Don't speak arrogantly about something you don't know.

It wasn't really a finishing thought as they were expecting him to confess, there was a pause, and a decision to be made, and they decided to shame him more, they could easily've stopped right there "we will talk about this later"

"We will talk about this later" is just as bad. That equally makes him look as guilty as what they said. At this point you are just hating for hating sake.

Bro I can read your previous comments, you didn't say they "ended the scolding early", you said "finishing the class as soon as possible", the class was already over, and you used this argument to say that they were not malicious, that "look at how good they are, ending the class early to not punish him more". And now you are changing your argument and saying that they ended their scolding early? This doesn't make anything better, you are literally implying that they were about to do even worse and giving them props for only making things a little bit worse instead of much worse?

The exact quote is:

How exactly is the teacher (who is trying to discipline a student of theirs but also realising that the longer the situation lasts the higher the likelihood the class will be uncontrollable) finishing the class as soon as possible but also reaffirming that the person in the wrong, malicious?

I understand my wording was unclear, let me clarify.
How exactly is the teacher (who just realised that them going on longer will just make things worse but still has things to say) finishing their lecturing of a student a sentence later (aka as soon as possible when they realised they made a mistake) by stating they should think about what they did, malicious?

This is not what "finishing your thought" means my dude, especially when you just took a moment to reflect that you did something wrong

Can you talk and think at the same time? That's what is implied is happening.

"Let's talk tomorrow" "we will continue to investigate", or just not finish at all and just send everyone home. In my case, I would try to delay harm, I would just say "oh now I remember, I put it there and got distracted.". I would definitely not keep committing the same error (publicly shaming him) after realizing it

Sending everyone home without putting a end to your lecture is awkward.
Your method would be covering for the thief which is detrimental to A) the control of the class and B) the future redemption of the thief.

 

[xAKLx]

So is yours. We are arguing hypotheticals.

Except that actually fits with everything we have seen from the teachers till this point

There was proof enough there. The item was in his desk and no one else That usually satisfies

If you are really dumb maybe

Bullying happens to a whole range of different people for a variety of reasons. Don't speak arrogantly about something you don't know.

I know, I've seen it, I lived it, I know what makes it ends

"We will talk about this later" is just as bad. That equally makes him look as guilty as what they said. At this point you are just hating for hating sake.

Nah, that would keep the situation neutral, saying that he needs to reflect is reinforcing his guilt

I understand my wording was unclear, let me clarify.
How exactly is the teacher (who just realised that them going on longer will just make things worse but still has things to say) finishing their lecturing of a student a sentence later (aka as soon as possible when they realised they made a mistake) by stating they should think about what they did, malicious?

It was not that it was unclear, but that you made a completely different (and wrong) argument. And once again, they realized their mistake, so there should be no reason to continue with the public scolding, and no, there's also no reason to finish it with a sentence that is also about scolding him.

Sending everyone home without putting a end to your lecture is awkward.

So what? That's their fault; trying to fix it by continuing to do the action that started the whole issue doesn't make sense

Your method would be covering for the thief which is detrimental to A) the control of the class and B) the future redemption of the thief.

nah, not really
A) What control of the class? They literally lost it right there, and they knew it. Covering, in fact, is the right thing to do after realizing they lost control of the class. They can still earn it back later, but doubling down on the issue that caused them to lose control of the class will obviously make it even worse, which is literally what happened
B) They can handle that privately. They noticed the errors of their way and still double down on doing the same thing that causes the issue. Even in the scenario where the kid was the real thief, the teachers already lost all rights to be lecturing him because they fucked up. Bullying is obviously worse than theft

 

[Burner5]

Except that actually fits with everything we have seen from the teachers till this point

No it doesn't.

If you are really dumb maybe

Occum's razor. The simplest conclusion is often the correct one.

I know, I've seen it, I lived it, I know what makes it ends

You have experienced ONE type of bullying. Not all bullying is the same.

Nah, that would keep the situation neutral, saying that he needs to reflect is reinforcing his guilt

"We'll talk about this later" is the same as "reflect on your actions" except it gives the impression that the teachers have given up on punishing the guilty party for the moment. That isn't neutral. Rather, it gives the impression that the MC is guilty AND the teachers are too weak to handle that now. That will encourage the more "rightous" students to get justice as the teachers couldn't. BTW the reason why the bullying happened was because self-rightous students felt like they were punishing evil.

It was not that it was unclear, but that you made a completely different (and wrong) argument. And once again, they realized their mistake, so there should be no reason to continue with the public scolding, and no, there's also no reason to finish it with a sentence that is also about scolding him.

You are the to undermine themselves. The whole point of them scolding him was they thought he was doing something wrong. Them saying something contray would A) weaken the message about admitting fault and B) wouldn't diswayed tge kids from bullying him.

So what? That's their fault; trying to fix it by continuing to do the action that started the whole issue doesn't make sense

It is them finishing the action.

nah, not really
A) What control of the class? They literally lost it right there, and they knew it. Covering, in fact, is the right thing to do after realizing they lost control of the class. They can still earn it back later, but doubling down on the issue that caused them to lose control of the class will obviously make it even worse, which is literally what happened
B) They can handle that privately. They noticed the errors of their way and still double down on doing the same thing that causes the issue. Even in the scenario where the kid was the real thief, the teachers already lost all rights to be lecturing him because they fucked up. Bullying is obviously worse than theft

A)They lost control sure. However, covering wouldn't mitigate the damage they caused.
B)It is hard to handle it "privately" when it is ALREADY public.

 

[xAKLx]

Occum's razor. The simplest conclusion is often the correct one.

That's not what Occum's razor means my duuuuude 😭 "the simplest explanation or theory, requiring the fewest assumptions, is the most likely to be correct". It is not about the simplest conclusion, "magic man created the universe" but about the one with fewer assumptions, "magic man existing is an assumption.

You have experienced ONE type of bullying. Not all bullying is the same.

The type of target is always the same, the one that will not defend themselves, won't be defended by others, the easy target

"We'll talk about this later" is the same as "reflect on your actions" except it gives the impression that the teachers have given up on punishing the guilty party for the moment. That isn't neutral. Rather, it gives the impression that the MC is guilty AND the teachers are too weak to handle that now.

Bro you are just delusional at this point 😭

The whole point of them scolding him was they thought he was doing something wrong. Them saying something contray would A) weaken the message about admitting fault and B) wouldn't diswayed tge kids from bullying him.

ofc not, the moment to change someone's mind is during the event, doubling down during the event just reinforces the idea. And by the next day, that idea is already saved in your mind, the kids were still in the middle of changing their mind, which is an excellent time to revert

A)They lost control sure. However, covering wouldn't mitigate the damage they caused.

I just love how many statements you have to walk back just to find another excuse because evidence doesn't matter to you, you already have your narrative, and the evidence must fit it at all cost. But yes, covering would definitely mitigate the damage, maybe some won't believe it, but it would definitely delay the whole class takeover that occurred, at the very least I doubt they all would be in sync bullying the next day like what happened

B)It is hard to handle it "privately" when it is ALREADY public.

It's really not, like when the bullying started in full, they immediately took him to a private meeting. So nah, the issue might still be public, but they can proceed privately until they find a resolution. Ofc they should also do damage control in the meantime, instead of... you know... putting conditions on their support "if you confess we can be your allies" 😂😂

 

[Burner5]

That's not what Occum's razor means my duuuuude 😭 "the simplest explanation or theory, requiring the fewest assumptions, is the most likely to be correct". It is not about the simplest conclusion, "magic man created the universe" but about the one with fewer assumptions, "magic man existing is an assumption.

Still applies. Let's look at two cases, MC is innocent and MC is guilty:
Innocent:

someone else stole the mirror
someone put the mirror in the MC's desk
this was done to either protect their identity or to frame the MC

Guilty:

the MC stole the mirror because it was in his desk

The type of target is always the same, the one that will not defend themselves, won't be defended by others, the easy target

It is generally the same. It is not always the case. Hell in this story case the culprit manipulated the class to make him a bully target. Who's to say they can't do it again.

Bro you are just delusional at this point 😭

Your example is shit. Let's agree to disagree.

ofc not, the moment to change someone's mind is during the event, doubling down during the event just reinforces the idea. And by the next day, that idea is already saved in your mind, the kids were still in the middle of changing their mind, which is an excellent time to revert

The kids had already made up their minds at that point. You really think that the kids wouldn'

I just love how many statements you have to walk back just to find another excuse because evidence doesn't matter to you, you already have your narrative, and the evidence must fit it at all cost. But yes, covering would definitely mitigate the damage, maybe some won't believe it, but it would definitely delay the whole class takeover that occurred, at the very least I doubt they all would be in sync bullying the next day like what happened

I have walked back a few statements when I saw your point. I even say when I haven't walked back others when I thought you were wrong. (It is called humility.) This was not me walking back on a point.
Another thing, you serm to overestimste the effects of them softening their tone.

It's really not, like when the bullying started in full, they immediately took him to a private meeting. So nah, the issue might still be public, but they can proceed privately until they find a resolution. Ofc they should also do damage control in the meantime, instead of... you know... putting conditions on their support "if you confess we can be your allies" 😂😂

Weren't your complaints about how they put him in the spotlight? At least you now acknowledge they did try to handle it privately. Also it is called a negotiation tactic (offer a benefit for the information you want) and it is being done by INCOMPETENT teachers.