Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 45 - Wandering Through The Night

[noleafclover75]

People are still defending this garbage release and pacing lol.

 

[habla]

Such considerate gentlemen! Were they gonna take turns or go at it all at once?

that a hard choice
I guess they'd need more participants to both go at it in groups and take turns

 

[story645]

People are still defending this garbage release and pacing lol.

Can I separate the two? I think the chapter pacing makes sense structurally but that it translates poorly to the release schedule.

To me it suggests either a lack of planning, major overwork, burn out, or all three. Many authors trying to do this type of thing take a few months haitus and then stack up releases so that they can fine tune the pacing w.r.t. the release schedule, but for whatever reason Maruto is either unable or unwilling to do so.

 

[GennArc]

Sure, but it still slows down the advancement of plot - like the characters, the reader has to wait a few chapters to see how the climax/crash out resolves.

Which is not a big deal and happens to almost every manga, after something major happens characters take a couple of chapters to process or react to it. In that I agree that it's an experience akin to the reader's one.
The problem here is the release schedule.

Many authors trying to do this type of thing take a few months haitus and then stack up releases so that they can fine tune the pacing w.r.t. the release schedule, but for whatever reason Maruto is either unable or unwilling to do so.

After two "leaked" novel chapters I think it's pretty much clear that Maruto makes it in time and the problem is the manga, i.e. the artist. We already had a hiatus from June to August and we're still getting chapters like 44 and now the monthly pause, so it seems Yom wasn't able to stack up releases.

 

[LuckyThePirate]

yuu haters yami cucks need to apologize.

 

[Yotomoe]

The Yami hate is so overblown. Sure she's not a great person but she's also kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. A boy she loves and a girl she loves (platonically). It wasn't some evil scheme. Shes just doing her best to manage her emotions.

The only reason we're inclined to take Hikari's side is because we met her first. But from Yami's side she meets a nice guy and they get romantic. They split up due to circumstances. Then she meets a nice girl who helps her get her life back on track and that girl just so happens to have a crush on Yami's ex. Yami isn't intruding on Hikari's romance story. Hikari is intruding on Yami's.

 

[HellJester]

The Yami hate is so overblown. Sure she's not a great person but she's also kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. A boy she loves and a girl she loves (platonically). It wasn't some evil scheme. Shes just doing her best to manage her emotions.

The only reason we're inclined to take Hikari's side is because we met her first. But from Yami's side she meets a nice guy and they get romantic. They split up due to circumstances. Then she meets a nice girl who helps her get her life back on track and that girl just so happens to have a crush on Yami's ex. Yami isn't intruding on Hikari's romance story. Hikari is intruding on Yami's.

I mean, that's an incredibly generous take.

Yami knew since the summer that Hikari's crush was her ex. She sat on that knowledge until late October when the school festival takes place and took no steps to address the issue. She purposefully showed up and hid the entire time before finally venturing out and running into Yuu. She kisses Yuu knowing that Hikari is watching the whole thing. Yami even states she's not sure if she kissed Yuu because Hikari was watching.

Yami nuked her own romance on purpose. She nuked her friendship with Hikari on purpose. At any point between finding out in the summer and the festival she could have talked to Hikari but chose not to. When she's finally confronted by both Yuu and Hikari (who both have valid questions for her) she attempts to lie to both of them about the whole thing.

She's got her issues and her circumstances do warrant sympathy but just about everything that's going wrong in her life is a mess of her own making.

Also, to state the only reason to take Hikari's side is because she's shown first is wild. Hikari is kept in the dark by both Yami and Yuu and still manages to stumble her way forward without actively trying to fuck over either of them. When she realizes there's a history between Yuu and Yami she takes steps to go talk to her friend, a courtesy that neither Yuu nor Yami extended to her.

Hikari isn't without blame but she's not pursuing Yuu to fuck over Yami.

 

[EijiRin]

Yep, it was in the novel version.
I wouldn't say it's a crucial thing to miss this time, unlike what Yom did in the previous chapter. But it's still annoying since it makes it tougher to discuss.
OTOH, we got two extra manga-only chapters: 2 weeks ago and today. Hopefully @EijiRin will get to them eventually, though I hate to bother him.

I'm planning to upload the extras this week, probably tomorrow or this weekend

 

[GennArc]

but just about everything that's going wrong in her life is a mess of her own making.

Like her father dying, or her stepfather trying to molest her, or her mom taking his side and refusing to listen or her attempting suicide?

Hikari isn't without blame but she's not pursuing Yuu to fuck over Yami.

I think the point was not about who is to blame and who is morally right. It was simply about the audience's sympathies.

 

[HellJester]

Like her father dying, or her stepfather trying to molest her, or her mom taking his side and refusing to listen or her attempting suicide?


I think the point was not about who is to blame and who is morally right. It was simply about the audience's sympathies.

My bad, I should have phrased it "but just about everything that's currently going wrong in her life is a mess of her own making." What I mean is her relationship with Yuu & Hikari. Yami chose to end her relationship with Yuu. Yami chose to take steps that could very well lead to her relationship with Hikari being over. For someone who states she doesn't want to lose Hikari's friendship, Yami sure makes a ton of decisions that could very well lead to that outcome.

And I'm sorry but:

The only reason we're inclined to take Hikari's side is because we met her first. But from Yami's side she meets a nice guy and they get romantic. They split up due to circumstances. Then she meets a nice girl who helps her get her life back on track and that girl just so happens to have a crush on Yami's ex. Yami isn't intruding on Hikari's romance story. Hikari is intruding on Yami's.

I mean this whole description is from a standpoint of ignoring everything and putting on rose tinted glasses. They split up due to circumstances? Technically true but that leaves out so much information. It's also disingenuous as it implies it was a mutual decision between Yami and Yuu and not a unilateral call from Yami.

And if your interpretation is correct and they were talking about the audience's sympathies, it's still wild to state that the only reason the audience would sympathize with Hikari is because we got her story first. At least Hikari (for the most part) attempts to communicate with Yuu & Yami. She's constantly giving Yami the benefit of the doubt. Even though she was pissed at Yuu for lying she was right there defending him to Yami. Where is a minimum of reciprocation from Yami in regards to either Yuu or Hikari? Where is an instance of Yami pushing past herself to try to do something right by Hikari or Yuu?

It's just crazy to me to chalk up the audience siding with Hikari to the fact she was shown first. If you read the manga in chronological order I believe the audience would still sympathize with Hikari as she's generally trying to do the right thing.

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Can I separate the two? I think the chapter pacing makes sense structurally but that it translates poorly to the release schedule.

To me it suggests either a lack of planning, major overwork, burn out, or all three. Many authors trying to do this type of thing take a few months haitus and then stack up releases so that they can fine tune the pacing w.r.t. the release schedule, but for whatever reason Maruto is either unable or unwilling to do so.

Yep this explains it quite well the pacing is alright...just not for a monthly release

Not sure wtf is happening with production but SOMETHING clearly ain't working

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Which is not a big deal and happens to almost every manga, after something major happens characters take a couple of chapters to process or react to it. In that I agree that it's an experience akin to the reader's one.
The problem here is the release schedule.

Yep the release schedule is AWFUL for this

After two "leaked" novel chapters I think it's pretty much clear that Maruto makes it in time and the problem is the manga, i.e. the artist. We already had a hiatus from June to August and we're still getting chapters like 44 and now the monthly pause, so it seems Yom wasn't able to stack up releases.

Isn't the reason for the extra month delay though to give extra time to write material for a volume release? Or do I have that wrong?

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Maruto's comment on Xitter made it sound like it's going to be some explicit rating chapter 45 that didn't make it into the main manga.

Spoiler

What the fuck??? Okay genuinely curious what the hell it could be then...

It's because there is (usually) a lot to discuss. In most romcom/romance stories, every chapter is limited to "mc and a love interest ended up doing some stuff together and it was cute/heartwarming". In most plot-heavy stories there's a big overarching plot that is moving slowly with each new chapter without any complex stuff happening.
But here there's always a room for interpretations, characters doing questionable stuff that people like or dislike, and it's always fun to analyze or read others' opinions. Some come here just to whine, sure, but they usually don't contribute much because whining doesn't induce discussion.

Honestly the discussion is probably the best part of this shit show lmao as you said- there's usually alot to discuss

 

[GennArc]

They split up due to circumstances? Technically true but that leaves out so much information. It's also disingenuous as it implies it was a mutual decision between Yami and Yuu and not a unilateral call from Yami.

I think it only implies that they broke up not because of a conflict or incompatibility but because of something outside of their relationship.

And if your interpretation is correct and they were talking about the audience's sympathies, it's still wild to state that the only reason the audience would sympathize with Hikari is because we got her story first.

It's just crazy to me to chalk up the audience siding with Hikari to the fact she was shown first.

I'm quite sure that is not what was implied. The post is about an overblown hatred towards Yami, it doesn't say that readers would not like Hikari if the story didn't start with her side. Hikari would still be well-liked, but maybe Yami wouldn't be that hated.

Isn't the reason for the extra month delay though to give extra time to write material for a volume release? Or do I have that wrong?

Correct. But I was talking more about how summer hiatus didn't help them stack up releases, which resulted in both unfinished manga chapters (like 44) and the necessity to have another month of preparation for commercial volume 2 release.
To be fair, as mentioned, we are getting a decent number of extra chapters. They are not too long and not too eventful, but it's still something.

 

[HellJester]

I think it only implies that they broke up not because of a conflict or incompatibility but because of something outside of their relationship.

Yami broke up with Yuu as she felt guilty that she had a guy in her life after she felt she forced her step father to divorce her mother due to his attempts to molest her, his cheating on her mother, there might be more but I'm fuzzy on all the details.

It wasn't external forces. As far as we know, neither her step father nor her mother even knew she had a boyfriend. Yami made the internal decision to break up due to her perception that it's not fair she has something that she "denied" her mother from having. Which is just silly. She's not denying her mother of having a man in her life, just one particular piece of shit man who cheated and liked to molest his step daughter.

She could have kept up her current lifestyle with her mother being none the wiser.

I'm quite sure that is not what was implied. The post is about an overblown hatred towards Yami, it doesn't say that readers would not like Hikari if the story didn't start with her side. Hikari would still be well-liked, but maybe Yami wouldn't be that hated.

And if your interpretation is correct and they were talking about the audience's sympathies, it's still wild to state that the only reason the audience would sympathize with Hikari is because we got her story first.

It's just crazy to me to chalk up the audience siding with Hikari to the fact she was shown first.

I mean the poster literally said "The only reason we're inclined to take Hikari's side is because we met her first." I'm not sure of any other way to interpret that sentence other than the audience is expected to side with Hikari because we met her first and that's the sole reason. If they meant something different then they needed to express that using words. I'm not going to read something so clear cut and imagine that there might be a different interpretation. If I go to that extreme, why bother reading what someone writes? I can just make up conversations in my head.

 

[story645]

It wasn't external forces. As far as we know, neither her step father nor her mother even knew she had a boyfriend.

I think the argument is that the external force was her mom's suicide attempt, but even then what most folks really criticize Aya for was the ghosting. Nothing about the situation precluded Aya from having a conversation w/ Yuu about why she was dumping him except that it would have made it harder for Aya. Which would just be her dealing w/ the consequences of her decisions. This critique gets compounded by her crash out where she's upset/resentful that to her it seems like Yuu didn't really fight the break up, even though, again, Yuu's actions are a direct consequence of her ghosting.

Which is more or less the critique she's receiving here - not that she's upset about the situation, but that she's again running away from it (and self destructing) even though she bears a good chunk of the responsibility by kissing Yuu knowing Hikari was there.

Hikari is receiving less criticism here b/c Hikari directly told Yuu why she was upset and went and found Aya to talk to her. Yes Hikari is hiding now, but it's after she's made overtures to Yuu and Aya.

 

[GennArc]

It wasn't external forces. As far as we know, neither her step father nor her mother even knew she had a boyfriend. Yami made the internal decision to break up due to her perception that it's not fair she has something that she "denied" her mother from having. Which is just silly. She's not denying her mother of having a man in her life, just one particular piece of shit man who cheated and liked to molest his step daughter.

I said that it wasn't because of any complications in their relationship. Do you disagree with this?
The actual reason is beyond the point. Like the original poster said, they broke up due to circumstances, as opposed to their relationship deteriorating.

I mean the poster literally said "The only reason we're inclined to take Hikari's side is because we met her first." I'm not sure of any other way to interpret that sentence other than the audience is expected to side with Hikari because we met her first and that's the sole reason.

I'd just extend the sentence to "...to take Hikari's side and oppose Yami's side..." and that's where it makes full sense. I personally find both sides to be deserving sympathy and I don't think it's only possible to like one and dislike the other.

 

[HellJester]

I think the argument is that the external force was her mom's suicide attempt, but even then what most folks really criticize Aya for was the ghosting. Nothing about the situation precluded Aya from having a conversation w/ Yuu about why she was dumping him except that it would have made it harder for Aya. Which would just be her dealing w/ the consequences of her decisions. This critique gets compounded by her crash out where she's upset/resentful that to her it seems like Yuu didn't really fight the break up, even though, again, Yuu's actions are a direct consequence of her ghosting.

Which is more or less the critique she's receiving here - not that she's upset about the situation, but that she's again running away from it (and self destructing) even though she bears a good chunk of the responsibility by kissing Yuu knowing Hikari was there.

Hikari is receiving less criticism here b/c Hikari directly told Yuu why she was upset and went and found Aya to talk to her. Yes Hikari is hiding now, but it's after she's made overtures to Yuu and Aya.

I said that it wasn't because of any complications in their relationship. Do you disagree with this?
The actual reason is beyond the point. Like the original poster said, they broke up due to circumstances, as opposed to their relationship deteriorating.


I'd just extend the sentence to "...to take Hikari's side and oppose Yami's side..." and that's where it makes full sense. I personally find both sides to be deserving sympathy and I don't think it's only possible to like one and dislike the other.

I don't dislike Yami - she's an interesting character. What I dislike is the repetition of Yami and the fact that no matter what seems to happen she doesn't really grow or change. It's agonizing waiting a month for very little and then having to repeat that over and over. I want the story to get to the point where characters learn and change and I'm left wondering if that's ever going to happen.

It's the same issue I have with Yuu - it doesn't seem like he's having much growth either. The reason I side more with Hikari is that, awkward as she is, she makes attempts to get close to Yami - she makes attempts to get closer to Yuu. She talks to them (latest few chapters notwithstanding) and tries to grow. It's refreshing to watch her attempts to change from a childhood friendship to a romance without her having to resort to flinging herself at Yuu's dick.

Anyways, my first thought reading the latest chapter was "Yawn...when is Yami going to try something different as she keeps running away and that never solves anything."

I don't want to talk further about Yami and Yuu's break-up as it's been beaten to death in previous threads. I will just agree that there was both internal and external forces that lead to Yami's decision. Though I will add that I think their relationship had it's own set of complications that neither of them really acknowledged. I think the 25.6 chapter where Yami's middle school friend notices how Yami's been acting is a good indicator of cracks in the Yuu/Yami relationship. The friend observed Yami for a short time and immediately understood the relationship was doomed.

 

[story645]

. The friend observed Yami for a short time and immediately understood the relationship was doomed.

I mostly read that as Yami's self destructiveness has been going on for a very long time & is not at all limited to her current situation. Which, to Maruto's credit, I think makes his characterization of Aya feel realistic - she's very bpd coded, which is why Haru says she's the type of girl Haru and Yuki wouldn't normally get involved with. I think some readers are just emulating this in universe attitude.

 

[GennArc]

I don't dislike Yami - she's an interesting character. What I dislike is the repetition of Yami and the fact that no matter what seems to happen she doesn't really grow or change.

I mean, you're just not the 'overblown hate' kind of person that post was about. That's why it's interesting to read your opinions, unlike those that are just cursing Yami, Yuu or Hikari.

and the fact that no matter what seems to happen she doesn't really grow or change. It's agonizing waiting a month for very little and then having to repeat that over and over. I want the story to get to the point where characters learn and change and I'm left wondering if that's ever going to happen.

You see, that's kind of the opposite of what I want from the story. When you, story645 or anyone else talk about growth, I always see words like responsibility, own the situation, apologize etc. Basically that they should all do the right thing (and in Yami's case that means to apologize, repent for her actions and gracefully step aside). And I don't want them to. I want them to clash, suffer, struggle, make more wonderful mistakes, get angry, depressed and all kinds of stuff in their pursuit of happiness that's maybe waiting at the end. And that's exactly why I prefer Yami over Hikari - the latter just seems to always do the "right thing". After chapter 36 I thought she'd finally do something unorthodox, but she still kept doing "the right thing". And I just can't find it interesting.

It's the same issue I have with Yuu - it doesn't seem like he's having much growth either.

My issue with him is different, I think he's still an underdeveloped character. He had a short volume of his own but it didn't help much, we still don't know what he was thinking in all those situations that we saw in the manga. He doesn't really have any interesting interactions with either Hikari or Yami, aside from a few select ones.
TLDR - what he needs is more characterization, not growth.