Isekai kara Kikan Shitara Chikyuu mo Kanari Fantasy deshita. Ato, Make Heroine-domo Kocchi Minna. - Ch. 9 - Isn't The Minazuki Family Dangerous?

[7goat]

"As I thought, you look like an ordinary boy"
2 min later
"As I thought, you hide your real power"
2 min later
"As I thought, I might have overestimate you"
2 min later
"As I thought, you're so powerful, please lend me your poweful power."

WTH with that slop writing? lol

"As I thought, you desire a reward."
2 min later
"As I thought, you want to bed me."
2 min later
"As I thought, you're saving your chastity for my daughter."
2 min later
"As I thought, you are gay."

 

[Hyperkinesis]

Real font of empathy and understanding in this comment thread, gotta say. Does the MC have every right to be incensed and take issue with being attacked unprovoked, up to and including being eaten by a fox spirit? Yes, absolutely he does.

But try and look at it from the mother's POV: she's trying to recruit someone to kill a literal (local) god that is evidently well above the weight class of even her and her family. And when someone who potentially has the power to do so shows up, he's unwilling to make any display of his power or potential. And to reiterate: she is trying to save the life of one or both of her daughters. So, obviously, she is going to resort to whatever means she has to in order to save them, including provoking her one and best option into proving he has the power to do so.

Especially when you consider her position. She's the head of the family, expected to bear the responsibilities of that position without faltering. And she is the only person who's bringing up the prospect of killing the god, whereas everyone else- including her own daughters- are resigned to one of said daughters sacrificing themselves for the sake of the family and appeasing this god.

To put it in more mundane terms, this is like the direct subordinate of a criminal kingpin trying to hire someone to kill their boss, because said boss decided he wants one of the subordinate's daughters as a... well, whatever comes to your imagination.

That's the position the mother is in right now: she is risking everything- her entire family's wellbeing, their lives, and facing literal divine wrath- on the hope that this complete stranger, who is to all appearances a teenage boy, can do what she herself cannot. This goes against Japan's culture of self-sacrifice and putting the needs of the community over the one individual.

More than that, she's bowing on her hands and knees when she makes her request. This very powerful, very influential woman who is expected to represent her family, is bowing to a no-name stranger. And again, in Japan, upholding the honor and reputation of your family is a very big deal. Especially to traditionalists, which I mean... gestures to the whole family

That's like... imagine the principal of a school, or even your manager/regional manager/etc, getting on their hands and knees to ask someone for help. Or one of your parents doing the same. For your sake. To save your life. Was it fucked up and wrong of her to attack him even after he initially refused to spar with her? Yes, of course.

But who here would do anything less if put into a similar position? And before you go "well she could've just led with that," I reiterate: she is taking an enormous risk with this request. Would you put the life of your child, parent, sibling, partner, etc., in the hands of someone else without any proof they're up to the task?

With all due respect, I don't buy it.

Why would she need to prove his power? In the first chapter she says that she's not even sure they could win against him, in the third chapter she says that he really might be able to "destroy the family." For all intents and purposes, she should have no reason to doubt how strong he is. Right up until she asks to spar, she says and does things that very aggressively imply if not outright state, that she knows how powerful he is and that winning against him would be difficult, if not impossible.

There could still be some doubt—like you said, she's placing her family's wellbeing on the shoulders of a kid, she would want to know without a shadow of a doubt that he can kill the god as not to further endanger her family. But maybe she should begin by actually asking for help instead of worsening their standing to their potential savior first. And even after they fight, there's still no guarantee he can win against the god. He's stronger than her? So what? He can beat someone that already loses? She's not stronger than the god so it proves nothing.

The problem people are having with her isn't that she's being desperate, I'm sure most people would do anything they can to save their family like you say. The problem is that she's introducing more risk than necessary to prove something she doesn't need to prove. Not to mention that her bowing is because she decided to fight him first and then ask for forgiveness. If she really wanted to fight him for some reason, then she should've asked him for help, got him to cooperate, and then tested his powers. If he wins then great, you've still secured his help and tested what you wanted to test—no need to prostrate yourself, if he loses then he's dead and it doesn't matter.

But doing it this way just antagonizes him and makes him less likely to help, because why would he care about the well-being of people that want to kill him every chance they get?

 

[Kagimizu]

With all due respect, I don't buy it.

Why would she need to prove his power? In the first chapter she says that she's not even sure they could win against him, in the third chapter she says that he really might be able to "destroy the family." For all intents and purposes, she should have no reason to doubt how strong he is. Right up until she asks to spar, she says and does things that very aggressively imply if not outright state, that she knows how powerful he is and that winning against him would be difficult, if not impossible.

There could still be some doubt—like you said, she's placing her family's wellbeing on the shoulders of a kid, she would want to know without a shadow of a doubt that he can kill the god as not to further endanger her family. But maybe she should begin by actually asking for help instead of worsening their standing to their potential savior first. And even after they fight, there's still no guarantee he can win against the god. He's stronger than her? So what? He can beat someone that already loses? She's not stronger than the god so it proves nothing.

The problem people are having with her isn't that she's being desperate, I'm sure most people would do anything they can to save their family like you say. The problem is that she's introducing more risk than necessary to prove something she doesn't need to prove. Not to mention that her bowing is because she decided to fight him first and then ask for forgiveness. If she really wanted to fight him for some reason, then she should've asked him for help, got him to cooperate, and then tested his powers. If he wins then great, you've still secured his help and tested what you wanted to test—no need to prostrate yourself, if he loses then he's dead and it doesn't matter.

But doing it this way just antagonizes him and makes him less likely to help, because why would he care about the well-being of people that want to kill him every chance they get?

Well, another thing to keep in mind is the MC is such an outside-context problem for everyone else that half the reason they're freaked is because of his very existence, not just his supposed power. To the rest of the world he just suddenly has this immense power out of the blue. This regular kid from a (IIRC) regular family, essentially goes from an NPC to Let Me Solo Her in the span of a day. It flies in the face of their every understanding of the world they live in. It would be like a person in the real world just suddenly being able to fly for no reason.

Between that and his desire to keep a low profile meaning he's concealing his power as much as possible, for some it's easier to believe an implausible explanation like getting a lucky shot, using some underhanded trick, the daughters misremembering or screwing up, etc. And the mother is clearly the only one with her head on straight enough that she doesn't immediately dismiss what by their world's rules should be impossible, but that doesn't change the fact that aside from her daughters' recounts and (remind me if I'm misremembering) sensing his power during his fights, he's still a massive unknown. For all she knows there's something to the accusations that he's posturing or that his power isn't all it's cracked up to be.

She also did try and request a spar with him, which he turned down. And, yes, it was wrong of her to force the matter and attack him regardless. But that's how manga/anime logic goes; the only way to test someone's power is to (at least appear like) you're going after them with intent to kill. As for asking for his help and explaining the situation first... yes, that would have been sensible. But she's going against her family's traditions and responsibilities- and plotting against a literal centuries-old god besides- to save her daughters. This is a huge gamble; showing her hand to someone who might not be all he's cracked up to be risks revealing her plans to people she'd rather not have know.

But by forcing the matter she forces him to show what he can do without having him pity her or intentionally underplay his powers to make her believe that he's not strong enough to help her. Which gives her an accurate gauge of his power, since as far as he's concerned he's defending himself against another crazy bitch trying to kill him. Which also gives her an idea as to how his power matches up to the Mountain God by virtue of the ease with which he defeated her.

 

[Kyo00]

Bro everyone has been so rude I would be so pissed off that they even try to make request, but he'll probably say okay anyway

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

Idiot mc stop being so forgiven and milk them!
For their rudeness take half of all their wealth and possessions.
For your help (That you probably plan to sell for nothing, or ultra cheap) take the other half, those trash don't deserve to be wealthy in the first place.

 

[galaxia9]

Poor guy just can't get a moment's peace. Kill the god on condition this family of crazies never come near you again. If he doesn't, the family and the god are just going to keep annoying him and getting his clothes dirty so deal with them now.

 

[Llangion]

Quest Acquired -Kill a god

 

[Hyperkinesis]

Well, another thing to keep in mind is the MC is such an outside-context problem for everyone else that half the reason they're freaked is because of his very existence, not just his supposed power. To the rest of the world he just suddenly has this immense power out of the blue. This regular kid from a (IIRC) regular family, essentially goes from an NPC to Let Me Solo Her in the span of a day. It flies in the face of their every understanding of the world they live in. It would be like a person in the real world just suddenly being able to fly for no reason.

Between that and his desire to keep a low profile meaning he's concealing his power as much as possible, for some it's easier to believe an implausible explanation like getting a lucky shot, using some underhanded trick, the daughters misremembering or screwing up, etc. And the mother is clearly the only one with her head on straight enough that she doesn't immediately dismiss what by their world's rules should be impossible, but that doesn't change the fact that aside from her daughters' recounts and (remind me if I'm misremembering) sensing his power during his fights, he's still a massive unknown. For all she knows there's something to the accusations that he's posturing or that his power isn't all it's cracked up to be.

She also did try and request a spar with him, which he turned down. And, yes, it was wrong of her to force the matter and attack him regardless. But that's how manga/anime logic goes; the only way to test someone's power is to (at least appear like) you're going after them with intent to kill. As for asking for his help and explaining the situation first... yes, that would have been sensible. But she's going against her family's traditions and responsibilities- and plotting against a literal centuries-old god besides- to save her daughters. This is a huge gamble; showing her hand to someone who might not be all he's cracked up to be risks revealing her plans to people she'd rather not have know.

But by forcing the matter she forces him to show what he can do without having him pity her or intentionally underplay his powers to make her believe that he's not strong enough to help her. Which gives her an accurate gauge of his power, since as far as he's concerned he's defending himself against another crazy bitch trying to kill him. Which also gives her an idea as to how his power matches up to the Mountain God by virtue of the ease with which he defeated her.

I can concede on the fact that fighting him to learn how strong he is, is reasonable given your reasons. I still don't think she's a very good litmus test considering she's weaker than the god she wants him to beat, but I can understand the intention here. The issue I'm having is that if she really wanted to fight him, then there are more risk-averse ways to do that, and another problem is that her actions before the fight don't make sense because of it.

Because you're absolutely right, a random person pops up with power that she immediately believes could rival a multigenerational family that specializes in magic? Ain't no way she's just going to let that slide, but she's also smart enough to know that this person is still extremely powerful and thus extremely dangerous—she is pretty confident in that, we see her talk about it often. So she stays cautious and does damage control where needed. This works towards her initial goal of making sure this sudden, extremely powerful, unknown threat doesn't fuck shit up (lol XDXD), and at some point she does realize that this person could potentially be strong enough to take out their patron god, which prompts her to check to see how strong he really is... ergo, fight club admission.

But then you think about how the attack works towards that previous idea. Sure, it might give her a better understanding of whether he can kill the god. But he's still a 'sudden, extremely powerful, unknown threat'. All that caution in keeping an eye on him and apologizing when they attack him twice, is completely thrown out the window by directly antagonizing him... again.

So now she knows he has the power to help, but she also make him less likely to do so. Not a great trade off. The risk of explaining first is he could walk away knowing they're planning to kill a god, but they don't need to explain everything, just the minimum needed to convince him—they could even say the god is a demon and, though it's a lie, if he says no and tells anyone then he's just going to get a, "Yeah that family kills demons, so what?" XDXD. If he finds out the truth he could get pissed off, but more pissed off then having your life threatened three times? Not likely.

The only reason someone would make such an unnecessarily risky decision like she did here, is if his help was absolutely guaranteed. Which it is, but only because it's fiction, not because it makes sense. My version also isn't very cinematic, doesn't have as many fight scenes, and also wouldn't necessarily translate well to a story like this. Might be able to but I'm not a writer, just an ordinary citizen with far too much to say lol. XDXD

 

[19801980]

Kaya is Goddess 💜

 

[14Darius28]

Yes, since first daughter would have killed him already. And they've tried two more times after that. Homicidal bitch is an understatement. All of them are retarded homicidal bitches with zero social skills.

No idea why you are trying to run defense for this absolute slop of a writing.

If he wasn't powerful her daughter wouldn't have fought him. There were beings with powers in this story that shes not going around and killing. If his power was run of the mill then she wouldnt have fought. The point I'm making is that your making a hill out of a plateau. Your going extra hard just to justify your take of calling someone a bitch. I'm defending because it's the beginning of the story and there might be more to the character then that.

 

[zHIST]

Homicidal bitch is a bit far don't ya think? Your kinda jumping to things just to call her a bitch.

She knew he was powerful due to the summaries given by her daughters. Ya can't get to this point without the other points ever coming to the fold. If he exhibited nothing like that she wouldn't have had the inclination to even try his powers.

So if he wasn't powerful they wouldn't have ever met.

Have you interacted with people in your life? Because this is not how people act

 

[zHIST]

Real font of empathy and understanding in this comment thread, gotta say. Does the MC have every right to be incensed and take issue with being attacked unprovoked, up to and including being eaten by a fox spirit? Yes, absolutely he does.

But try and look at it from the mother's POV: she's trying to recruit someone to kill a literal (local) god that is evidently well above the weight class of even her and her family. And when someone who potentially has the power to do so shows up, he's unwilling to make any display of his power or potential. And to reiterate: she is trying to save the life of one or both of her daughters. So, obviously, she is going to resort to whatever means she has to in order to save them, including provoking her one and best option into proving he has the power to do so.

Especially when you consider her position. She's the head of the family, expected to bear the responsibilities of that position without faltering. And she is the only person who's bringing up the prospect of killing the god, whereas everyone else- including her own daughters- are resigned to one of said daughters sacrificing themselves for the sake of the family and appeasing this god.

To put it in more mundane terms, this is like the direct subordinate of a criminal kingpin trying to hire someone to kill their boss, because said boss decided he wants one of the subordinate's daughters as a... well, whatever comes to your imagination.

That's the position the mother is in right now: she is risking everything- her entire family's wellbeing, their lives, and facing literal divine wrath- on the hope that this complete stranger, who is to all appearances a teenage boy, can do what she herself cannot. This goes against Japan's culture of self-sacrifice and putting the needs of the community over the one individual.

More than that, she's bowing on her hands and knees when she makes her request. This very powerful, very influential woman who is expected to represent her family, is bowing to a no-name stranger. And again, in Japan, upholding the honor and reputation of your family is a very big deal. Especially to traditionalists, which I mean... gestures to the whole family

That's like... imagine the principal of a school, or even your manager/regional manager/etc, getting on their hands and knees to ask someone for help. Or one of your parents doing the same. For your sake. To save your life. Was it fucked up and wrong of her to attack him even after he initially refused to spar with her? Yes, of course.

But who here would do anything less if put into a similar position? And before you go "well she could've just led with that," I reiterate: she is taking an enormous risk with this request. Would you put the life of your child, parent, sibling, partner, etc., in the hands of someone else without any proof they're up to the task?

She's also risking even more by provoking someone who can wipe her family in a day by trying to kill him. Thrice. For no reason.

And than daring to ask for help without offering anything first.

She can go die with the rest of the family. This shit is hit garbage in terms of writing

 

[Neammaanniexistantav]

Yeah go fuck yourself

 

[AyamKencing]

let me guess... this family somehow managed to get MC to help them but MC then tried to talk no jutsu the god but because the god was arrogant then with MC's isekai powers he managed to defeat the god nonchallantly

 

[14Darius28]

Have you interacted with people in your life? Because this is not how people act

Seriously I'm going to have to tell you to reread my comment. I'm not the one who called the characters homicidal bitches. I'm the one who said that the person was going to far. So tell me how I'm the one acting wrong.

 

[FleshPhoenix]

with a family of reprobates like this, there's one solution:
a vulgar display of power.

round them all up, tell them that after their 3 rounds off attempted murder that they're getting no help, then drop a tactical nuke right in the middle of their place so they get the picture.

oh no, the poor mother is concerned about her daughters, but doesn't bat an eye at killing someone else's son. save it for the angry god ya scum

 

[Valhalla_101]

A bit rude. But she’s polite in her speech about it