Seisou no Shinrishi - Vol. 1 Ch. 4

[MangaDex]

 

[UdenEmpati]

Still trying to get a bead on Liam, but the Sage can certainly walk the talk, it would seem.

Wonder if she's functionally immortal, or if 1000 years is nearing the end of her lifespan, or something...and now she's desperately trying to end the Demon Lord once and for all, and putting all her hopes on Hoshino and her psychology to fill in the last missing piece to keep the Hero's Party in one piece long enough to finish the job.

Also, still wondering what she'll do about pharmacology. Because Bipolar disorders are very hard to treat without medication in conjunction with cognitive therapeutics, and that's when the patient is invested in their treatment--something I suspect is not (currently) the case with Elnston.

In any case, maybe this guy's just got some sort of aggression issue, though. Still seems like he has issues with authority figures, but also kinda "comes around to" respecting them once they've proven themselves?
Not saying that points to any sort of behavioral disorder, though I don't wanna rule it out before we get to this "Truth or Dare" therapy session. But like any effective diagnosis, more data & observation is needed.



Thanks for the chapter.

 

[lemon-dono]

I wonder if the Sage herself will end up as a patient of Hoshino. She seems to have accumulated a lot of trauma.

 

[Saon]

I wonder if the Sage herself will end up as a patient of Hoshino. She seems to have accumulated a lot of trauma.

I guess that's where we are headed.

And no doubt Sage wouldn't mind learning from Hoshino so of course she'd feel the need to experience therapy too.

 

[panzerkampfwagyu]

In any case, maybe this guy's just got some sort of aggression issue, though. Still seems like he has issues with authority figures, but also kinda "comes around to" respecting them once they've proven themselves?
Not saying that points to any sort of behavioral disorder, though I don't wanna rule it out before we get to this "Truth or Dare" therapy session. But like any effective diagnosis, more data & observation is needed.

I personally read him to have an extreme guilt and self-hatred because he wasn't strong enough to save Kyle, which he pushes outwards.
His chances of keeping against Hoshino are zilch

 

[Simkin]

I'd argue that Sofia the Sage and Aesir the High Elf would get along swimmingly!

Thinking about it, Aesir might actually be carrying quite bit of unresolved trauma along with him.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I personally read him to have an extreme guilt and self-hatred because he wasn't strong enough to save Kyle, which he pushes outwards.
His chances of keeping against Hoshino are zilch

I think the reason I'm looking for something "more" than that, is because the Hero himself had outsized guilt that he hid away behind an outward positive affect. Then, the Saint had the Bipolar diagnoses that was mistaken for Depression; so rather than "repeat" something (guilt-masked-as-'projected anger' is just a variation of the Hero's 'turn'), I keep reaching for something different for the sake of variety.
Which, realistically, is not how you go about diagnosing people, but in a narrative sense saying Liam's just super guilty and projecting that as anger feels too close to a repeat of what we've already seen once.

That's not to say it can't be the case, nor is it saying that it'd be "incorrect" for the author to make that call, even. Just a story-writing habit that I'm getting stuck on. But, time will tell.

 

[Knighto]

I wonder if the Sage herself will end up as a patient of Hoshino. She seems to have accumulated a lot of trauma.

for sure, the Sage is kinda of a "muscle brain", as she herself mention that overpower by strength, but is also that sage fits as she is a studious person so she wants to learn Hoshino's "magic" but as she tries to learn about her, she's getting seen and studied by the psychologist. By the end we could get her final meet by with the sage or a twist of the sage helping her master.

I think the reason I'm looking for something "more" than that, is because the Hero himself had outsized guilt that he hid away behind an outward positive affect. Then, the Saint had the Bipolar diagnoses that was mistaken for Depression; so rather than "repeat" something (guilt-masked-as-'projected anger' is just a variation of the Hero's 'turn'), I keep reaching for something different for the sake of variety.
Which, realistically, is not how you go about diagnosing people, but in a narrative sense saying Liam's just super guilty and projecting that as anger feels too close to a repeat of what we've already seen once.

That's not to say it can't be the case, nor is it saying that it'd be "incorrect" for the author to make that call, even. Just a story-writing habit that I'm getting stuck on. But, time will tell.

well they are all being treated because the fight with the demon lord is eating their sanity and the series give us the guilty of losing someone as the trigger for their problems to explode, the hero with the pressure to not show weakness, then we have the priestess that was already with problems before but losing someone she loved pushed the problem with her bipolar disorder, the swordman here already feels guilty too, but it's clearly showing his weakness by trying to stomp on weaker people than him, I doubt he would have anger issues as he didn't get desperate against the sage

 

[bookkid900]

Still trying to get a bead on Liam, but the Sage can certainly walk the talk, it would seem.

Wonder if she's functionally immortal, or if 1000 years is nearing the end of her lifespan, or something...and now she's desperately trying to end the Demon Lord once and for all, and putting all her hopes on Hoshino and her psychology to fill in the last missing piece to keep the Hero's Party in one piece long enough to finish the job.

Also, still wondering what she'll do about pharmacology. Because Bipolar disorders are very hard to treat without medication in conjunction with cognitive therapeutics, and that's when the patient is invested in their treatment--something I suspect is not (currently) the case with Elnston.

In any case, maybe this guy's just got some sort of aggression issue, though. Still seems like he has issues with authority figures, but also kinda "comes around to" respecting them once they've proven themselves?
Not saying that points to any sort of behavioral disorder, though I don't wanna rule it out before we get to this "Truth or Dare" therapy session. But like any effective diagnosis, more data & observation is needed.



Thanks for the chapter.

I think Liam is meant to represent those who could get a lot of good out of therapy but are combative against cooperating. There is a difference between taking time to warm up to a new therapist and basically being voluntold to go get therapy.

It’ll be interesting to see how Hoshino is able to break down Liam’s walls and apprehension around her treatment.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I think Liam is meant to represent those who could get a lot of good out of therapy but are combative against cooperating. There is a difference between taking time to warm up to a new therapist and basically being voluntold to go get therapy.

It’ll be interesting to see how Hoshino is able to break down Liam’s walls and apprehension around her treatment.

that's an angle I hadn't considered - like, a more 'meta' approach to the idea of therapy and its benefits and being either hesitant or suspicious of that.

Rather than him representing another explicit potential diagnosis; following your line of thought here, Liam might represent a path toward opening a number of people's eyes to Hoshino's practice, and if she can successfully convince him and even show to him, and through him, the benefits of what she does, he could potentially become an advocate for her worth.

He calls her a fraud now, but then becomes a proponent, making her job easier, type thing. And given how much Elnston seems to look up to Liam, "converting" him as it were could make her more willing to undergo her treatment with Hoshino, and perhaps this could open doors that involve her finding in-world equivalents to pharmaceuticals and things by way of a vocal mouthpiece in the Hero's Party casting her in a good light to the general populace and those who can pull the levers of influence.

That's a fair bit of extrapolation from your guess, and I don't know if any of that will be at all accurate- but yours is my favorite answer I've heard yet where he's concerned.

 

[Brackass]

the therapist’s mirroring him, right? Imitating his focus on pride and strength/capability in order to communicate with him, although she doesn’t normally think that way abiut herself.

 

[Heika]

'Liam, my world has weapons that can destroy a city from the other side of the world, so I haven't spent time learning to wield a sword for the same reason you haven't honed the art of flinging your shit like an angry monkey.'

 

[K_Takuya]

Liam is the type of client that takes a long time to just get to the starting point of psychological assessment Like those dudes in therapy or in AA that goes "I came here only because I was told by [insert significant person here]. I do not have any problem"

the therapist’s mirroring him, right? Imitating his focus on pride and strength/capability in order to communicate with him, although she doesn’t normally think that way abiut herself.

No? Rather than mirroring/imitating it's more of an assertion of position as a therapist. Basically establishing "I know what I'm doing" to the client, that's even before the stage where they can actually start communicating. Usually therapist don't need to do this since there's already a level of trust in knowing that the person you're seeing is a licensed therapist.

 

[Brackass]

No?

I reaaaaally don’t think she would’ve done that “Don’t tell me you’re scared of losing, hmm? haha ,’:3” line with that face if she wasn’t mirroring him, that’s not how she otherwise talks/thinks. Like, she’s being prideful and challenging in order to communicate with a prideful and challenging person.

I guess it’s interesting to me cuz she’s acting sort of “unempathetic” BECAUSE she’s empathizing with him and reflecting his behavior back at him, and he WOULD be reassured by being able to actually respect her.

 

[K_Takuya]

I reaaaaally don’t think she would’ve done that “Don’t tell me you’re scared of losing, hmm? haha ,’:3” line with that face if she wasn’t mirroring him

Still no, that's just baiting engagement. The type of crap your dad would do to you back when you're a dumbass 4 year-old.
I reeeeeally don't think mirroring means what you think it means. At least from what I know from this APA definition of mirror technique in counseling. You're welcome to link me a peer reviewed paper that describes mirroring as "therapist acting the way their client is" though, I'd love to read it.