Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[dmy96]

They've been enforcing that every now and then since the big DMCA removal. Not sure how it is now, but it was less consistent early on.

Most of my comments were deleted already

 

[Xnot]

Which of those jurisdictions are relevant to MD? It's not illegal in the US.

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.

And again, what about the removed series has anything to do with underage characters? It's been mentioned a few times, but the series in question is about adults, it's the tags that were incorrect.

The stray cat girl series contained a high-school girl, which was ambiguous enough to be included. I'm not aware of any official content confirming her as over 18 and the scanlator did not provide any when I spoke to them.

Not to mention that this is a super weak excuse, given that if legality of content was actually an issue, MD wouldn't exist in the first place. And if MD really cared about underage characters, it'd be trivial to just purge the literally hundreds of series with thousands of chapters that are tagged with both loli or shota and pornographic. Add suggestive to that list and you could just purge like half of all manga in existence.

Please see:

The content that was removed, and some content still being reviewed, includes entries labelled Mature, with characters that are engaging in sexual intercourse and either:

• They are clearly very young in appearance, and the content does not confirm that they are adults.
• The content itself confirms that they are under the age of 18.

Nothing else is being examined at this time. We're currently exploring options to retain the title entry and other non-infringing metadata, but for now, we need to proceed with the removal.

Ether stated what was affected in the current round, and I will refrain from speculating on things we have not received complaints on.

I won't bother with further "what about x series" replies.

you're just pretending to be stupid and you know it.
just shut the website down, dude.

If you believe there is anything wrong with what you quoted, spell it out. I don't mind replying if people are being civil, but if you're just gonna vaguepost and insult me you're just getting banned.

Twitter is a for-profit corporation. Mangadex is a non-profit project run by the scanlation community for the scanlation community, and being able to operate in any arbitrary jurisdiction shouldn't be a consideration. Even comparing the two is an insult to our intelligence. Unless all the reassurances from the mods that MD is still a community project and being operated by NamiComi won't change anything are BS.

Though seriously, if this is a decision from the new corporate overlords, just tell us that openly. You owe us that much considering MangaDex would be nothing without its user community, and the contributors need to know whether they can still post content here or if they need to be afraid of running afoul of unannounced rule changes.

MD is a non-profit project, but the costs are still running. We gotta do what we gotta do. And as stated back in the takedown FAQ, one of the reasons for coming under NC management was due to the legal framework to handle claims like these.

"Bad faith" when you have Admins in the staff calling people pedophiles over manga.

Using bad faith as an argument was immediately lost when this happened.

Yes, it was uncalled for. I and several staff members wish she hadn't said that. I can't change the past, you can choose to believe in her apology or not. She's not getting demoted or removed over it. I'm not mad about it, but I think it's understandable that other people are. The choice to remove the content was unrelated to her or any staff member's personal opinion of the content.

Oh! So you admit that you are CHOOSING to censor things.

You could just... not cater to those jurisdictions, just like how you don't cater to the Muslim countries that ban homosexuality.

So you blatantly lied when you claimed that you have no choice, you blatantly lied when you claimed that censoring is the only way for MangaDex to continue to exist.

There are other ways for MangaDex to continue to exist, you are simply not choosing those ways.

Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

 

[BestBoy]

wasn't he raided?

I don't think so? Not from what I recall, at least.

 

[DreadOp]

I suggest everyone sort by Rating and file a report for every manga that has underage sexualization.
So many of their top mangas are gonna get nuked off the site and they need to see that.

 

[seekermoc]

They've been enforcing that every now and then since the big DMCA removal. Not sure how it is now, but it was less consistent early on.

Which incidentally, was the same time NamiComi took over operations...

 

[Straif_Sitri]

Platforms will choose to follow laws of jurisdictions in which it is beneficial for them to continue being able to operate on. Are you sure you really need me to explain this to you or are you just arguing in bad faith? Have you ever wondered why youtube or twitter will follow common western laws but don't ban LGBT content? Come on man...

well im guessing it does need explaining cause that would mean theres no reason to remove anything from the site because except for EU and a few Asian countries most of what yall are saying is being removed have already been through western courts and been deemed legal and allowed so yea it does need to be explained cause either yall are following personal perspective and Opinion OR yall need to follow ALL laws of jurisdictions and remove everything including LGBTQ+, especially since yall are saying its anyone that looks underage in anything that would be rated suggestive or more and thats 90% of manga on the market and on the site

 

[Blanc]

original batoto wasn't sold. The guy who ran it just got tired and decided to shut it down one day. That's why there was such a rush to get MD up and running. There was limited time to grab all the series on batoto before it was gone for good.

I guess i missed remember it then, maybe i mixed it with fox, there like 3-4 main site back then that i used to visit. (And there Kiss site.)

 

[QualityGames]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.


The stray cat girl series contained a high-school girl, which was ambiguous enough to be included. I'm not aware of any official content confirming her as over 18 and the scanlator did not provide any when I spoke to them.



Please see:


I won't bother with further "what about x series" replies.


If you believe there is anything wrong with what you quoted, spell it out. I don't mind replying if people are being civil, but if you're just gonna vaguepost and insult me you're just getting banned.


MD is a non-profit project, but the costs are still running. We gotta do what we gotta do. And as stated back in the takedown FAQ, one of the reasons for coming under NC management was due to the legal framework to handle claims like these.


Yes, it was uncalled for. I and several staff members wish she hadn't said that. I can't change the past, you can choose to believe in her apology or not. She's not getting demoted or removed over it. I'm not mad about it, but I think it's understandable that other people are. The choice to remove the content was unrelated to her or any staff member's personal opinion of the content.


Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

Again.

Just like Pixiv is a Japanese Company also based in California and they host >1 Million loli works and do not have to remove them solely due to zoning and setting your location.

You guys can do the same rather than ignorantly bending the knee and removing legal content.

Edit: Also, the "apology" is empty. The moment you falsely accuse people of the most heinous shit entirely over a cartoon, you lose any credibility.

 

[DavidianMillerian]

Yes, it was uncalled for. I and several staff members wish she hadn't said that. I can't change the past, you can choose to believe in her apology or not. She's not getting demoted or removed over it. I'm not mad about it, but I think it's understandable that other people are. The choice to remove the content was unrelated to her or any staff member's personal opinion of the content.

wait, EN's a she?

 

[seekermoc]

wasn't he raided?

As I remember, the old BATO admin made a post talking about how he was just tired of trying to manage the community and deal with aggregators stealing their work and wanted to stop. He left the site up for around a week after the announcement so people could export their bookmarks, but then it disappeared. MD was up and running a couple weeks later.

AFAIK there was no legal action behind it.

 

[Pauan]

Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

Enjoy losing everything, because you chose to cater to evil anti-freedom totalitarian countries, and betrayed all of your users, and betrayed all of your founding principles, and chose to lie and gaslight your users, and chose to insult your users when they correctly pointed out your blatant lies.

Without your users, this site will not survive.

 

[PilotNOT]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.

Cuckstralia and United Middle East, after all the news about them wanting to censor the very free nature of otaku spaces, yet you still want to conform to them?

Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

All you had to do was to stay in America but no you wanted to come to my shitty country and block countries wanting to enforce their bullshit on you but nah you rather be a cuck

 

[WiseOldKing]

ya so can we like turn back on the ability to delete our accounts?

 

[BestBoy]

incidentally

Eh, I can't blame them for removing mentions of other pirate sites if they're coming off the back of a massive DMCA and trying to keep a low profile.
The end goal of all these policies is to keep as many series as possible while still respecting any legal claims sent their way. I know it sounds contradictory, but just look at some of the sites that took the opposite path. comick and new batoto (and all its sister sites) are completely gone

 

[MorrisSohmer]

I suggest everyone sort by Rating and file a report for every manga that has underage sexualization.
So many of their top mangas are gonna get nuked off the site and they need to see that.

Honestly, yeah if this is the policy decision and this comes from a legal threat I think we need to help the mods find each and every single series that might be an issue, I would add that not only should popular titles be reported but everything that has any minor being sexualized in any ways; as said mods need to decide on a case by case basis and there's about 313 pages of suggestive titles to review.

By the way is a minor under 18 or under 21? I don't really know the jurisdiction but that's the advantage of deciding case by case I guess, again good call to everyone involved.

 

[PilotNOT]

wait, EN's a she?

or a "she"

 

[B4z73rd]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.


The stray cat girl series contained a high-school girl, which was ambiguous enough to be included. I'm not aware of any official content confirming her as over 18 and the scanlator did not provide any when I spoke to them.



Please see:


I won't bother with further "what about x series" replies.


If you believe there is anything wrong with what you quoted, spell it out. I don't mind replying if people are being civil, but if you're just gonna vaguepost and insult me you're just getting banned.


MD is a non-profit project, but the costs are still running. We gotta do what we gotta do. And as stated back in the takedown FAQ, one of the reasons for coming under NC management was due to the legal framework to handle claims like these.


Yes, it was uncalled for. I and several staff members wish she hadn't said that. I can't change the past, you can choose to believe in her apology or not. She's not getting demoted or removed over it. I'm not mad about it, but I think it's understandable that other people are. The choice to remove the content was unrelated to her or any staff member's personal opinion of the content.


Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

Eh, the ambiguity of Stray Cat Girl could've made it been excluded, but that's just me. This whole thing reminds me of the Cinderella Girl character Aiko Takamori being labeled with a loli tag on e-hentai.org, and the tags got removed. You host other series that are similar to Stray Cat Girl. It's pointless and irrelevant argument that I'm hearing.

 

[BestBoy]

ya so can we like turn back on the ability to delete our accounts?

Mods mentioned recently it was coming soon on discord, but who knows. Last I heard account deletion breaks large parts of the website.

 

[Blanc]

Eh, the ambiguity of Stray Cat Girl could've made it been excluded, but that's just me. This whole thing reminds me of the Cinderella Girl character Aiko Takamori being labeled with a loli tag on e-hentai.org, and the tags got removed. You host other series that are similar to Stray Cat Girl. It's pointless and irrelevant argument that I'm hearing.

consider e-h have sadpanda that allow loli, it should be fine on sadpanda, right? or they just block both?

 

[Miros]

Honestly, yeah if this is the policy decision and this comes from a legal threat I think we need to help the mods find each and every single series that might be an issue, I would add that not only should popular titles be reported but everything that has any minor being sexualized in any ways; as said mods need to decide on a case by case basis and there's about 313 pages of suggestive titles to review.

By the way is a minor under 18 or under 21? I don't really know the jurisdiction but that's the advantage of deciding case by case I guess, again good call to everyone involved.

"legal threat" isn't this whole site a big ass legal problem, this isn't mangaplus everything thing here is "illegal"