Katainaka no Ossan, Kensei ni Naru ~Tada no Inaka no Kenjutsu Shihan Datta noni, Taisei Shita Deshi-tachi ga Ore wo Hottekurenai Ken~ - Vol. 9 Ch. 39…

[Cataegis]

It is pretty explicitly "Jousting Armor" and contains various features that make it closer to sports safety equipment than usable armor. Still the difficulty to move in it was exaggerated by Victorian historians.

Yup. 'Jousting', as you said, or occasionally 'tournament' plate, you'll hear it called.

 

[RatoMolhado]

Kuruni had her helmet customized to have a little vent for her ribbon because how else would the enemy know that the petite knight throwing their comrades in full plate armor is her?

 

[cockmeat]

What da hell who is this guy getting lifted by Kuruni it should be me

 

[Oakheir]

Roze is a sharp one... and now I am worried she may be the mole... I do hope not, but she is a devout believer from much before her tenure as an apprentice, so it would track.

And it would be interesting to see someone who was trained by Beryl have very different moral standards than him, and she is probably the only person who has a chance to go below Beryl's radar, as I said... she is SHARP.

Wow... I love Kuruni in full armor, her skirt even makes more sense now because some chainmail shirts would extend well beyond the waistline to provide more protection but allow maneuverability.

I am really curious about something... Lucy mentioned that a beast that could absorb and nullify magic was defeat by a mage who had mastered body-enhancing magic, and was a martial master too... but we clearly see that there are people here with physical capabilities well beyond normal human levels.

When Lucy used body enhancement, she threw only a punch, a badly thrown one because she is no fighter... but the damage was enormous.

My best guess... that type of magic doesn't "exactly" make a person physically stronger, but it flows internally on the body, and has effects that "simulate" superhuman physical feats.

Examples to give meaning: the mage throws a punch, the magic makes so that when there is a connection of the fist, it releases a lot of focused energy; the mage wants to move fast, the magic makes burst of propulsion; the mage wants to enhance their resilience, the magic envelopes their body in a skin deep shield that resists/nullifies damage taken.

With the punc as the main example of variable... if the mage that defeated the magic nulling beast had used unarmed combat, there was a chance the beast could have resisted, because following my logic there would be magical energy going out of the body, but when Lucy mentioned him... the flashback image showed a swordsman, so the mage would have only needed to enhance their body directly.

So going back to my point... I think the people who are naturally physically gifted here, can somewhat do the "same", but instead of being one single aspect of physical enhancement, they have their whole bodily structure already "enhanced".

Or maybe I am reading too much into this series XD.

Anyway... I am really happy this manga exists, because by what people said... if it was the anime, this arc would have ended in the last chapter, but there is so much nuance to this whole situation that deserves to be told.

This training exercise has a lot of interpersonal and political possibilities on how things can progress, and seeing how the author tackles the different types of armed combat.

Seeing Kuruni in full armor, and two full armored knights on horseback fighting with swords... oh, that is so cool.

I'm not sold on Roze being the mole, but I do agree with her being very sharp and having a different moral compass. But I don't think the needling was malicious, I think it was jealousy.

See, I sort of get the feeling that Roze wanted to bring Beryl sensei out the town, but she wanted him to come of his own accord to her. She might feel like she was cheated a bit by Aleucia inviting/forcing Beryl out of his town into the Knights Instructor. And I get the feeling that she might not be the only student out there that might have similar feelings, as they all seem to love him in some way.

As to your thoughts on body enhancement magic, I think that the magic enhances the muscles, ligaments, and bones, allowing them to access more of their strength and removing the natural limiters our brain subconsciously puts on our bodies to stop them from destroying themselves. Much like how we can only consciously use 10-20% of our brains, we can only use a tiny fraction of the explosive power our bodies can use without destroying itself.

You hear about this kind of thing in the news, or you used to at least, about people lifting cars of kids, and other incredible feast of strength, which is now referred to as hysterical strength. If we could access that kind of power on the regular, our bodies would tear themselves apart. Like a weight lifter lifting too much at once that they weren't prepared for, and their muscles literally ripping themselves off the bones.

So the magic strengthens an already toughened body, and removes some of the limiters, then yeah, even an untrained person could punch through a wall. Then if you add in any form of martial arts, you could easily take down a magic nullifying beast. The magic would interact with the best because it is only enhancing what you already have.

As for some people being super human without magic or miracles, yeah it does seem a bit odd, but there is the possibility that they also have magic or miracles, but at such a low amount that it isn't noticed and they're subconsciously enhancing themselves just a bit.

That is one of the selling points for this adaptation, all the attention to detail that the artist puts, not only into the fights, but into the world around them. It feels more real then some of the others of similar genres.

Armor 40kg, the person who can wear that kind of armor (that the weight not hinder his movement) must be a giant muscle giant. Strongmen muscle giant can weight minimum 80 kg. So she need to have the strength to lift a minimum of 120kg easily.

Not to mention a trained human can use their muscles to planted themselves in the Earth, that made the heavier.

Not really. With the size difference between the two of them, if he tried to push his height of her in the fight, like leaning down over her, to push her guard down and out of the way, he has already done most of the heavy lifting. Like a throw, the more the attacker leans over the defender, the easier it is for a smaller defender to turn their body and just use the attacker's weight and height against them to pull them over the shoulder. With the addition of the sword she can further help that by applying momentum into his lean and subsequent throw. Some martial arts excel at this type of grappling.

 

[Ecclectic_Moose]

To add some detail to what everyone else has said, yes. That's exactly how you're supposed to take down a fully armored knight. Outside of things like heavy axes, war picks, and so on, which are what you want to use if you need to open a man like a can of tuna, you get three or four buddies, and you tackle that big ol' bastard to the ground, and just hold him there while a friend sticks a dagger between plates until the knight stops moving.

The '40kg armor' is actually some of the heaviest armor you'd ever see, the kind of thing most knights would only wear at tournaments fighting other knights. The average field harness(which is what we call 'full plate mail', with 'mail' actually referring specifically to 'chain mail') is much lighter, around 15~25kg, and hardly any less protective. The extra plates and metal on the heavier sets is mostly there to keep that lance from absolutely annihilating your shoulder during a joust, but the extra mobility from the lighter sets more than makes up for the somewhat lower protectiveness of the thinner plates while on the field.

You'd think you'd want as much protection as possible, but that's only true up to a certain point. Early fire arms and full plate harnesses were contemporary, and plate armor did protect against them fairly well. The problem comes a little later when you've got far more, and more powerful, firearms on the field and it becomes substantially less worth it to be slowed, however marginally, by the armor. That's why later soldiers, even the elite ones like knights, start dropping most parts of the plate armor and eventually end up only with a breastplate and helmet.

But for knights on the field? Grappling is the way to go. Grab their arms and put them into arm locks so you can stick a knife through their arm pits, trip them and sit on their chests and stick knives through visors and between the helmet and gorget(neck protection), put spears through the backs of their knees, etc.

Defeating plate armor without weapons specifically designed for it is all about attacking the joints, and that's way easier when you got a bunch of other guys holding him down, or you twist his joints so he can't throw you off.

This is why you keep hearing about footwork in martial arts stories, though. Keeping your footing is functionally keeping your life. You get tripped, you get thrown off balance, whatever, you're dead. It applies whether you're in armor or not. You do not want to be on your ass when a dude is trying to stick something sharp and pointy somewhere soft and squishy.

Funnily enough, this is also exactly where women excel in hand to hand combat. The lower center of gravity that comes from wider hips gives women a great base to work from for throwing people to the ground and keeping their own balance. I think the manga actually talked about that a little in one of the earlier chapters?

One of my favourite takes on this idea about footwork is a paragraph or two from a Dresden Files book where the main character thinks about why the term "He fell" basically reads as "He died".

 

[Szaal]

Or maybe I am reading too much into this series XD.

In the last chapter where Berryl rescued the little girl kidnapped by the priest doing necromancy, we were shown with the self-enhancing magic on Fissel duel vs. the crazy miracle-heal woman. The woman inflicted energy-sapping on Fissel, and I think it was described that she had to put herself on self-enhancement to barely counteract the sapping.

 

[Cataegis]

One of my favourite takes on this idea about footwork is a paragraph or two from a Dresden Files book where the main character thinks about why the term "He fell" basically reads as "He died".

Damn, that goes hard. I miss Dresden Files. I think I stopped reading around Winter Knight? I should pick up the books after that and start again...

 

[Ecclectic_Moose]

Damn, that goes hard. I miss Dresden Files. I think I stopped reading around Winter Knight? I should pick up the books after that and start again...

Butcher just finished another mini trilogy within the series and he's finally back to a reasonable pace for writing books again so now's a good time to get back in. And the series really starts picking up after where you are. Blood Rites and Death Masks are both really good, and then you get to Dead Beat.

 

[Nunally]

Not really. With the size difference between the two of them, if he tried to push his height of her in the fight, like leaning down over her, to push her guard down and out of the way, he has already done most of the heavy lifting. Like a throw, the more the attacker leans over the defender, the easier it is for a smaller defender to turn their body and just use the attacker's weight and height against them to pull them over the shoulder. With the addition of the sword she can further help that by applying momentum into his lean and subsequent throw. Some martial arts excel at this type of grappling.

Sumo has this exact type of throw and its considered one of the hardest technique to use.