Katainaka no Ossan, Kensei ni Naru ~Tada no Inaka no Kenjutsu Shihan Datta noni, Taisei Shita Deshi-tachi ga Ore wo Hottekurenai Ken~ - Vol. 9 Ch. 39…

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The way she lifted the knight.. made me wonder if knights in our past could do judo-like moves on armordressed enemies?
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the heaviest armor could be around 40 Kilogram or more so it is alot of weigh that can pin them down if they fall to the ground.

so no wonder about that they got surprised she could lift that guy.
Not only you can do Judo-like moves, most knight fights probably ended with grapples.
Outside polearms and maybe hammers, it's really hard to fuck someone up if they're in armor.
Medieval manuals and treatises are filled with grapple techniques, if you fell to the ground in full armor you're pratically toast.
 
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Roze is a sharp one... and now I am worried she may be the mole... I do hope not, but she is a devout believer from much before her tenure as an apprentice, so it would track.

And it would be interesting to see someone who was trained by Beryl have very different moral standards than him, and she is probably the only person who has a chance to go below Beryl's radar, as I said... she is SHARP.

Wow... I love Kuruni in full armor, her skirt even makes more sense now because some chainmail shirts would extend well beyond the waistline to provide more protection but allow maneuverability.

I am really curious about something... Lucy mentioned that a beast that could absorb and nullify magic was defeat by a mage who had mastered body-enhancing magic, and was a martial master too... but we clearly see that there are people here with physical capabilities well beyond normal human levels.

When Lucy used body enhancement, she threw only a punch, a badly thrown one because she is no fighter... but the damage was enormous.

My best guess... that type of magic doesn't "exactly" make a person physically stronger, but it flows internally on the body, and has effects that "simulate" superhuman physical feats.

Examples to give meaning: the mage throws a punch, the magic makes so that when there is a connection of the fist, it releases a lot of focused energy; the mage wants to move fast, the magic makes burst of propulsion; the mage wants to enhance their resilience, the magic envelopes their body in a skin deep shield that resists/nullifies damage taken.

With the punc as the main example of variable... if the mage that defeated the magic nulling beast had used unarmed combat, there was a chance the beast could have resisted, because following my logic there would be magical energy going out of the body, but when Lucy mentioned him... the flashback image showed a swordsman, so the mage would have only needed to enhance their body directly.

So going back to my point... I think the people who are naturally physically gifted here, can somewhat do the "same", but instead of being one single aspect of physical enhancement, they have their whole bodily structure already "enhanced".

Or maybe I am reading too much into this series XD.

Anyway... I am really happy this manga exists, because by what people said... if it was the anime, this arc would have ended in the last chapter, but there is so much nuance to this whole situation that deserves to be told.

This training exercise has a lot of interpersonal and political possibilities on how things can progress, and seeing how the author tackles the different types of armed combat.

Seeing Kuruni in full armor, and two full armored knights on horseback fighting with swords... oh, that is so cool.
 
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The way she lifted the knight.. made me wonder if knights in our past could do judo-like moves on armordressed enemies?
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the heaviest armor could be around 40 Kilogram or more so it is alot of weigh that can pin them down if they fall to the ground.

so no wonder about that they got surprised she could lift that guy.
To add some detail to what everyone else has said, yes. That's exactly how you're supposed to take down a fully armored knight. Outside of things like heavy axes, war picks, and so on, which are what you want to use if you need to open a man like a can of tuna, you get three or four buddies, and you tackle that big ol' bastard to the ground, and just hold him there while a friend sticks a dagger between plates until the knight stops moving.

The '40kg armor' is actually some of the heaviest armor you'd ever see, the kind of thing most knights would only wear at tournaments fighting other knights. The average field harness(which is what we call 'full plate mail', with 'mail' actually referring specifically to 'chain mail') is much lighter, around 15~25kg, and hardly any less protective. The extra plates and metal on the heavier sets is mostly there to keep that lance from absolutely annihilating your shoulder during a joust, but the extra mobility from the lighter sets more than makes up for the somewhat lower protectiveness of the thinner plates while on the field.

You'd think you'd want as much protection as possible, but that's only true up to a certain point. Early fire arms and full plate harnesses were contemporary, and plate armor did protect against them fairly well. The problem comes a little later when you've got far more, and more powerful, firearms on the field and it becomes substantially less worth it to be slowed, however marginally, by the armor. That's why later soldiers, even the elite ones like knights, start dropping most parts of the plate armor and eventually end up only with a breastplate and helmet.

But for knights on the field? Grappling is the way to go. Grab their arms and put them into arm locks so you can stick a knife through their arm pits, trip them and sit on their chests and stick knives through visors and between the helmet and gorget(neck protection), put spears through the backs of their knees, etc.

Defeating plate armor without weapons specifically designed for it is all about attacking the joints, and that's way easier when you got a bunch of other guys holding him down, or you twist his joints so he can't throw you off.

This is why you keep hearing about footwork in martial arts stories, though. Keeping your footing is functionally keeping your life. You get tripped, you get thrown off balance, whatever, you're dead. It applies whether you're in armor or not. You do not want to be on your ass when a dude is trying to stick something sharp and pointy somewhere soft and squishy.

Funnily enough, this is also exactly where women excel in hand to hand combat. The lower center of gravity that comes from wider hips gives women a great base to work from for throwing people to the ground and keeping their own balance. I think the manga actually talked about that a little in one of the earlier chapters?
 
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The '40kg armor' is actually some of the heaviest armor you'd ever see, the kind of thing most knights would only wear at tournaments fighting other knights.
It is pretty explicitly "Jousting Armor" and contains various features that make it closer to sports safety equipment than usable armor. Still the difficulty to move in it was exaggerated by Victorian historians.
 
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From what little i know. There's a lot of grappling techniques centered around knocking the opponent down and to grab some dagger or mailbreaker to slip in between gaps like the neck or the armpit or through the visor
I love how every martial art has wrestling techniques. It's all wrestling, the only martial art is wrestling, it's wrestlers all the way down.
 
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The way she lifted the knight.. made me wonder if knights in our past could do judo-like moves on armordressed enemies?
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the heaviest armor could be around 40 Kilogram or more so it is alot of weigh that can pin them down if they fall to the ground.

so no wonder about that they got surprised she could lift that guy.
Armor 40kg, the person who can wear that kind of armor (that the weight not hinder his movement) must be a giant muscle giant. Strongmen muscle giant can weight minimum 80 kg. So she need to have the strength to lift a minimum of 120kg easily.

Not to mention a trained human can use their muscles to planted themselves in the Earth, that made the heavier.
 

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