Ichiban Tookute, Chikai Aitsu. ~Kimi ni Koi o Suru nante, Arienai Hazu Datta~ - Vol. 5 Ch. 45 - The Seasons Turn

[samuel265]

You're not defending her?? lol all you're doing is defending her bad actions , He was bullied because of her , damn it , he was in a toxic environment he is the victim here , not her . You would expect to her stop being a pussy? but she can't even shout sorry because it's socially awkward, but she is fine talking behind someone's back even though it's horrible to do so huh ?? talk about double standards , compared to what he went through being treated like a creep , they poured water on him and she knew all this , shouting sorry before a few people ain't nothing .
He chose a university far way cause he wanted a new environment as supposed to the one he is currently in and she is pathetic for acting as if nothing happened, she agreed with them calling him a creep and otakus and she would never be friends with someone like him and you say they bullied her ? I say no , she herself says that she likes her friends because of their sharp tongue , she didn't want them to pry into their relationship, why because she is pathetic that she didn't want them to know that she loved someone they thought was low standard for her . That in itself is horrible .
At the end she becomes of them to him, he didn't want to get hurt anymore , when so many other charcters stood up for him in their own ways , she was didn't till the last minute , instead she joined in with them . He didn't want to get hurt and you're victim blaming a bullied person to go confront her ? Why because he loved her ? Nah avoiding her is the best , he owes her nothing , it was solely on her to do something if she really cared, she barely did anything, she had a chance when she meet him at day itself , she didn't come clean , that damaged her image more in his eyes, they're in the same class and she didn't do anything there as well , she was playing ignorant until she learned she was outted , so yes until then she was playing double face , one to her classmates , one to him . You're mad cause he didn't give her special treatment and treated her like the rest of them bullies and ignored her.
Why compare her to wife , she is nothing like that, she was just someone he hung out for a while , in his own words they weren't official and he didn't want to be hurt anymore further if she turned out to be the same way she act there . He gave kumiko his number because he trusted her , something she earned by being in side and giving advice and support, none of which fl did , infact she did the opposite that he felt relieved when her email paper flies away . He protected himself from further hurt and disappointment and I would never blame him for , just like she protected herself , she just didn't try enough , she was worried about her social life to much to bother , she had her chances and she blew them away by acting like what she did ,didnt matter as long as he didn't know . While it did , just putting on sad face ain't really a solution , especially when you hurt a person with your own words , simply put she didn't earn his trust with the way she acted that all .

 

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missed out on teen love award

 

[samuel265]

Yes. Like, full stop. What does gender even have to do with this?

"pushing him to bend backwards" and it's just them encouraging him to try talking it out and let her explain herself at least once, and that maybe there could be more to this than he's thinking.

You're right, she's also in the wrong here, and could've handled things better with her friends. Though her faults here are blown out of proportion, since she's actually been trying to fix things with him after she understood she fucked up. He's the one who's been more of a dick about it, if you ask me. He seemed like he didn't even want to give her a chance to say anything.

There's nothing wrong with MC feeling hurt by what she heard FMC saying, I think most people would have also felt the same, were they in his same position (regardless of the gender of the people involved, I didn't think I'd need to say that, but oh well). It's another story though when, throughout the rest of the story, he doesn't try to do anything about it, and when pushed by other people he supposedly considers friends, and therefore supposedly trusts, he completely ignores only the things that go against the one thing he's now convinced himself must be true (FMC actually hated him this whole time, basically), and only listens to the one that confirms this notion (her friend warning him of "people like FMC" before he heard her in the classroom).

Gender has something to do with this , cause they're giving her free pass despite her incredible cruel and horrible actions towards him and blaming him for "not manning up and confronting her" while convinetly ignoring her mess up and how it's upto her to clean up this mess not him . I'll say this , if the gender roles were reversed, this would not be the same . No one would say to her to man and confront him for talking behind her back , they'd say cut him from her life and never give him a time of her life , theyd chew into the friends for saying that he didnt mean it , but did it to save his social bubble from bursting .Yes the story is yada yada . But look from his pov , he was bullied because of his relationship with her basically people jealous of him started a rumor. And you learn the one for whom your getting bullied for , is talking smack behind your back and people first response is that he is wimp for not confronting her , that is clear gender bias. And blaming bullied victim for not confronting his situation but chosing to move away into a more peaceful environment and calling him pussy for doing so shows clear bias .

She does nothing about the situation itself , that's why I'm mad , people say he didn't give her chance , she just didn't take any chances because she was afraid of her social bubble bursting while he was dealing with far more worse shit . He did give her chance that day itself yet she cares like she dint just talk behind his back , why? Cause there's no way he knows i talked smack so no need to do anything. When he started avoiding her , despite being in the same class she again does nothing . He is hurt and struggling, why should he be subjected into a situation which can hurt him lore , all this man up stuff is gender bias , no one would say that to a female bullied victim . People expect him to trust the face she should him when she was with her vs the face she shows behind his back , id say no one in his situation would do the same . The face one shows behind ones back is more trust worthy than what one shows before , it means even if your not there they have positive opinion and she showed him that she didn't . Magically expecting to stand up as a bullied victim because of power of love is bs argument

 

[arkvin]

I think there is a continuation of the story in the wn where the fmc visits the mc in his apartment, and they get into some spicy stuff.

 

[ddulz]

I agree she needed to apologize but he literally never gave her a chance. By the time she realized, he had stopped coming to school and had made it clear he didn't want to talk to her. The only method of communication was her going all the way to his house which is definitely not something you should do if you think someone hates you

Well, she can asks his friend or maybe kumiko his email. Heck she did not even bother to apologize when they met again coincidentally after graduation, obviously she get rejected when asking his contact, she have to apologize first!

Honestly I might prefer if they relationship never works out, shitty ending all the same, at least much more realistic.

 

[emMeBi86]

Ran past him when? The only time she knew something was up was after her friend told her about him being nearby when she said that stuff, and after that she only saw him once at school? And on that day she was surrounded by friends and people and the MC dipped to go have his one day date. Are you saying she should have told that other girl to fuck off and asked him to talk in private?
We don't know that the MCs friend has his house phone number, I don't think you're wrong for assuming it, but we've never actually seen him talk with the friend on the phone iirc, just email. So realistically speaking, the only thing in lore we know she could have done was
1. Cornered him on graduation day
2. Confronted him on graduation day near the train station when he met up with the one day GF
3. Gotten his email address from Kumiko or his friend.

meanwhile he could have
1. Shown up to school
2. Gotten her contact information from Kumiko
3. Used the contact information he got from her male friend
4. Passed his contact information along via multiple routes
5. Just straight up talked to her like everyone told him to do
6. Not picked a school hundreds of miles away regardless of if she actually meant what she said just to avoid confrontation
7. Told her friend when they saw each other at Karaoke to tell her he wants to talk to her
8. Told her friend to tell her that he's there, so she can make the move if he's too much of a pussy to do it himself
Again I want to be very clear, whether he got with her or not, I think his actions are still too stupid. Why the fuck should he stop showing up to school or change his uni choice to one far away just because some girl he liked talked shit about him? So what. Even if he doesn't confront her, show up to school and go to the uni you want. The fact that he ran away and avoided her is what I have a problem with, it's his mentality to run away when things get hard because he's afraid of getting hurt...even tho again, the guy ALREADY got hurt from hearing it in the first place, so what the fuck is he running away from??
Like if you catch your wife cheating on you and she doesn't realize, the right thing to do is either file for divorce immediately and not say anything, or get a recording device and confront her isn't it?? In what universe is the appropriate response to not say anything, lie to her when she asks why you're being cold and then dip hundreds of miles away to avoid her?

Again: he's the one hurt, he doesn't have to do s*it. End of discussion.
I add, FMC's friend can find the means and timing to confront him but she can't?
She didn't do everything she could andnthat's pretty evident...just chickening out at every occasion, like the one where she casually finds his package; but no, she starts to think about the other girl and once again she doesn't do anything.
Even at the end he had to do the heavy lifting and come back because she just stayed there moping.
She changed literally zero from mid manga to the end, while she was the one that had to make things move again...but nothing happens and changes from her side. Zero character progress, not much from him, but better than zero.


(Also, in a lot of universes is the right thing to do to avoid people if needed. Sometimes confrontation is just a waste of time, more so with people that betrayed your trust)

 

[xTachibana]

Again: he's the one hurt, he doesn't have to do s*it. End of discussion.
I add, FMC's friend can find the means and timing to confront him but she can't?
She didn't do everything she could andnthat's pretty evident...just chickening out at every occasion, like the one where she casually finds his package; but no, she starts to think about the other girl and once again she doesn't do anything.
Even at the end he had to do the heavy lifting and come back because she just stayed there moping.
She changed literally zero from mid manga to the end, while she was the one that had to make things move again...but nothing happens and changes from her side. Zero character progress, not much from him, but better than zero.


(Also, in a lot of universes is the right thing to do to avoid people if needed. Sometimes confrontation is just a waste of time, more so with people that betrayed your trust)

What means and timing? Bro called him to the roof and he showed up, do you think he would have gone had she been the one to call him out to the roof? Or would he have just gone home early?

"she casually finds his package; but no, she starts to think about the other girl and once again she doesn't do anything."
You mean when he was on a date with another girl who she assumed was his girlfriend which is why she gave up?

"Even at the end he had to do the heavy lifting and come back because she just stayed there moping."
She did do something, she asked to swap numbers with him once she found out he had a phone, which he still hadn't told her...then he gave her the silent treatment and she walked it back because she felt like he didn't want to give her his number. Then she was going to leave because she felt like he didn't want to talk to her or be near her in general so she made up an excuse (if he helps her he'll get back really late at night) to go off by herself

Anyways, why don't you read the MCs own words, I swear.
""I know Kitaoka didn't really mean what she said on the last day of school. Hearing it was a shock, and I was seriously crushed, but when I calmed down I knew she couldn't keep up an act like that forever."
He already said it himself, he knows she didn't mean it, he was just being a pussy and didn't want to confirm what he already knows is true, she just said it to avoid her friends making fun of her.
Sure, she should have forced him to listen to her apology instead of letting him go.
No, confronting people isn't a waste of time. It's better for you to know for sure what you're dealing with instead of assuming stuff on your own and moping around.
Also, what character progression are you expecting? It's only been like a few weeks since they graduated.. The whole story takes place within like what, 6 months? College entrance exams in Japan are between Jan and Feb, and the final chapter takes place around mid march, the last time they talked was during winter break which is the end of December. What kind of revolutionary character growth are you expecting from teenagers in 3 months?

 

[emMeBi86]

What means and timing? Bro called him to the roof and he showed up, do you think he would have gone had she been the one to call him out to the roof? Or would he have just gone home early?

"she casually finds his package; but no, she starts to think about the other girl and once again she doesn't do anything."
You mean when he was on a date with another girl who she assumed was his girlfriend which is why she gave up?

"Even at the end he had to do the heavy lifting and come back because she just stayed there moping."
She did do something, she asked to swap numbers with him once she found out he had a phone, which he still hadn't told her...then he gave her the silent treatment and she walked it back because she felt like he didn't want to give her his number. Then she was going to leave because she felt like he didn't want to talk to her or be near her in general so she made up an excuse (if he helps her he'll get back really late at night) to go off by herself

Anyways, why don't you read the MCs own words, I swear.
""I know Kitaoka didn't really mean what she said on the last day of school. Hearing it was a shock, and I was seriously crushed, but when I calmed down I knew she couldn't keep up an act like that forever."
He already said it himself, he knows she didn't mean it, he was just being a pussy and didn't want to confirm what he already knows is true, she just said it to avoid her friends making fun of her.
Sure, she should have forced him to listen to her apology instead of letting him go.
No, confronting people isn't a waste of time. It's better for you to know for sure what you're dealing with instead of assuming stuff on your own and moping around.
Also, what character progression are you expecting? It's only been like a few weeks since they graduated.. The whole story takes place within like what, 6 months? College entrance exams in Japan are between Jan and Feb, and the final chapter takes place around mid march, the last time they talked was during winter break which is the end of December. What kind of revolutionary character growth are you expecting from teenagers in 3 months?

A) exactly, even if he was with someone, she could've at least said something. If the fact that "he might be on a date" stopped her, then her resolve to at least patch things up with him wasn't enough

B) are you at least aware that those words were forced because the story was headed to a hasty closure so someone in the pair needed to make a quick change and it was just easier using him instead of her? Or do you really think that if the story could be prolonged more MC would have that interior monologue? Hell no 🤣
Jesus, is this your first axed / rushed ending romcom? Try to analize this type of media a bit more please

 

[Apep23]

Literal Godsend, thanks mate, I thoroughly enjoyed my time and you dumped everything and in good quality too.

Again, thanks and see you around mate!

 

[xTachibana]

A) exactly, even if he was with someone, she could've at least said something. If the fact that "he might be on a date" stopped her, then her resolve to at least patch things up with him wasn't enough

B) are you at least aware that those words were forced because the story was headed to a hasty closure so someone in the pair needed to make a quick change and it was just easier using him instead of her? Or do you really think that if the story could be prolonged more MC would have that interior monologue? Hell no 🤣
Jesus, is this your first axed / rushed ending romcom? Try to analize this type of media a bit more please

1. Again, she gave up because he thought that was his girlfriend... you are asking a character to do something that goes against all social norms and basically act like a thieving cat in public (at least in her head) because you think it's better.
Also, this wasn't axed. This is just a manga adaption of a novel, the pacing was a bit better in the novel but all of this BS that happened for 20 chapters happened in the novel too. There's nothing to analyze here, this whole situation would have resolved itself sooner if the main character himself listened to the advice he received instead of ignore it and prolong it by 3 months. He knew shortly after hearing it that she didn't mean it and didn't do anything about it because he was scared, for 2.5 of those 3 months he was avoiding her, she just assumed he wanted to focus on his exams because that's WHAT HE TOLD HER. It was only shortly before the end of the story that she found out that he had heard her, and that's why he was avoiding her.

The fact that we're still having this argument is insane. No matter what you say, the main character was a massive pussy, that's just a fact. Even if she meant what she said, running away to the opposite end of Japan to avoid her is insanely cowardly.

 

[jeremymd]

Love the blame game going ons here. It's at least a sign mangaka did something right to get this much lively engagement and defenders(or attackers) for both sides.

I am not particularly inclined to pick a side since, to me, neither has compelled me to think that they even deserve each other. There are just too few "events" for me to be convinced. And what events WERE there actually had the opposite effect; that they lacked the strength to prove themselves to be worthy of the other. Of course, that's with the exception of the herculean rationalization exercise MC did that led him to turn his back around and look for the FMC. Author had no choice because there's just too few "anchors points" he can have MC use to turn back. No aquarium, cultural festival, fireworks, or beach date to harken back to. lol

 

[KureoZen]

I'm kinda pissed. When you expeced a fun time and cute relationship devoloping story which the first half kinda delivered. Then they drop the drama out of nowhere that take everything you find fun from the first half away and it consist til the end of story. That's what pissed me off the most and I hate to feel this way because I know my time is wasted now

Like I don't think those stuff are neccesary at all. The progession are there and they sure have so many other events that can slowly bring them together and still make the story lengtly enough but nah, gotta bring in some drama to make it more "interesting"

This is some Seo Kouji type shit if you know what I mean lol

 

[Huichelaar]

I don't think Ema ended up apologizing to Iijima for not having his back when her friends were slandering him?

Iijima could have confronted Ema about what he heard her say. That way, she would know the whole reason he's avoiding her. That said, considering how she was not willing to defend him when she knew he was innocent, I can't blame him for not wanting to speak with her. Even though he was wrong in his assumption that she was ultimately trying to lure him in just so she could hurt him, she still didn't stick up for him; Ema's friends gave her an ultimatum, and she picked them over him.

When Ema figured out he was likely avoiding her because he overheard her conversation with her friends, she should have contacted him, explained the situation and apologized. Of course, her not having his phone number is not an excuse. They met several times after she realized this, she has a friend who has his e-mail, she even knows where he lives.

Ultimately, the ball's in Ema's court for fixing this, and she dropped it every time she had the opportunity. I can't say I'm happy that things get 'resolved' partly through Iijima's actions and partly through a coincidental meeting. So much for a resolution though, because I have no idea how this relationship is supposed to develop or if they're even together now at all tbh.

Good god, just give Ema a chance to redeem herself, please. Even when she's making cookies as a token of goodwill she internally thinks along the lines of Surely he'd just be happy receiving cookies from a cute girl like me. Like it sometimes feels like these authors have a very negative impression of 'cute' girls without realizing it.

 

[Cloony]

Holy crap this made me emotional. The way he speaks in his thoughts really made me wanna cry bro.

 

[Cloony]

I'm kinda pissed. When you expeced a fun time and cute relationship devoloping story which the first half kinda delivered. Then they drop the drama out of nowhere that take everything you find fun from the first half away and it consist til the end of story. That's what pissed me off the most and I hate to feel this way because I know my time is wasted now

Like I don't think those stuff are neccesary at all. The progession are there and they sure have so many other events that can slowly bring them together and still make the story lengtly enough but nah, gotta bring in some drama to make it more "interesting"

This is some Seo Kouji type shit if you know what I mean lol

Why shouldn't they bring in drama? I mean, isn't that what makes the story... a story? Do you want more of those gooner-bait mangas where the female lead has giant boobs and acts like a rabid dog for the mc? Then it drags on with a completely stagnant relationship for 50 chapters because the author hasn't actually had any romantic experience, and ultimately gets axed?

 

[KureoZen]

Why shouldn't they bring in drama? I mean, isn't that what makes the story... a story? Do you want more of those gooner-bait mangas where the female lead has giant boobs and acts like a rabid dog for the mc? Then it drags on with a completely stagnant relationship for 50 chapters because the author hasn't actually had any romantic experience, and ultimately gets axed?

It's not like a drama is bad. But a one single drama, that stay for half of the story, while completely halt every progression for the character, don't you think it a bit much?

And gooner bait isn't the only way that can drive the story. what kind of thing do you read to come to that conclusion from my comment?

like, a more simple event between them to make the moment they reconcile more impactful is great too. We haven't really see that much between them to make the last moment really stick tbh