Make Heroine o Katasetai!! - Ch. 25 - I Want to be Under the Twinkling Stars!

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  • be manaka
  • explain fire lore
  • confess her love to ei-kun
  • nudge ei-kun to BL with her brother
  • catches her hype-man (probably to push him to BL with ei-kun as well)
  • gets trapped in an awkward position between her oshis

fucking goat is corrupted beyond saving
 
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Ask yourself why she is so calm during it, why the reason she provides for why she loves him is a bunch of things that happened a long time ago, why she says "Or something like that" in a panel that obscures her eyes. Or why she doesn't even care about Ei's reply, and points him toward Manato and Ayame right away. That's not a confession made by someone who actually wants to "win". She just wants to close the book on her childhood crush and move on.

Even the line "My long hair always kept me from seeing what was right in front of me" is conspicuous. Consider how a couple of pages later she looks Kimura dead in the eyes and tells him "I don't want to lose sight of you".

There's no fickleness here that I can see. Manaka is all in on Kimura, and I don't think the author is even being particularly subtle about it.

"All in" on Kimura by confessing to Ei...that's quite the weird way to approach the whole thing...
And she didn't say "I used to love you", she said "I love you".
Please don't be Manakas people. Don't play with people's feelings and confess to the right person.
 
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"All in" on Kimura by confessing to Ei...that's quite the weird way to approach the whole thing...
And she didn't say "I used to love you", she said "I love you".
Please don't be Manakas people. Don't play with people's feelings and confess to the right person.
Kimura probably got hurt there too because there was a time that Manaka was about to confess to him and he denied it and what she did now is a confirmation (to him at least) that what she felt then wasn't romantic love at all so probably that's why he was so spaced out this chapter. Next chapter will confirm if Manaka really is after Kimura now since he will definitely try to get Ei and her be alone together. ( PLEASE AUTHOR DON'T LET NEXT CHAPTER BECOME BL SHIT COMEDY, I want next chapter to be serious cuz that's when this manga gets gud)
 
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Also saying that people in the past were primitive is extremely incorrect. They were just like you and me it's just that they didn't know as much as we did. That would be like calling a baby stupid because it doesn't know how to do arithmetic.
Primitive doesn't just mean they were "primordial"? As in specifying it's referring to humans during the early period of our history?

Assuming primitive means stupid is just a perpetuated mistake. It's a pretty useful word so I'd rather people would stop assuming it's derogative.
 
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Primitive doesn't just mean they were "primordial"? As in specifying it's referring to humans during the early period of our history?

Assuming primitive means stupid is just a perpetuated mistake. It's a pretty useful word so I'd rather people would stop assuming it's derogative.
Primitive means in the early stages but the problem is that we don't know when the early stages of a civilization end. Are we still in the Primitive stage or have we already entered the middle stage of a civilization? We have no way of knowing.
 
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If someone from a thousand years from now came back in time and called us primitive would you be able to argue against that? And then if someone from 2000 years ago went back a thousand years and called that person primitive would they be able to argue against that? So then the question arises if every one is primitive then what does it really mean to be primitive? The whole modern idea of what primitive means comes from British colonial propaganda where they claimed that all the people they were colonizing were primitive Savages that were inherently Dumber than the proud intelligent British despite the fact that technology is not a linear scale. For example it took the Europeans until the 18th century to figure out how to work with Platinum meanwhile the Aztecs had been working with Platinum since before they had a written language.
When we talk about primitive humans we usually refer to periods where humans still used stone tools or were nomad hunter-gatherers, the oldest stone tools seem to be from about 3.3 million years ago and the first agricultural revolution started on 10,000 BC.

If you said 10,000 years into the future then I'd be fine with them calling us primitives, or if future humans with an intergalactic civilization called us primitive I'd also agree with them. I've always understood primitive as the base from where everything else was built, the manga didn't use primitive in a derogative way, the only one treating that word as a derogative here is you.
 
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When we talk about primitive humans we usually refer to periods where humans still used stone tools or were nomad hunter-gatherers, the oldest stone tools seem to be from about 3.3 million years ago and the first agricultural revolution started on 10,000 BC.

If you said 10,000 years into the future then I'd be fine with them calling us primitives, or if future humans with an intergalactic civilization called us primitive I'd also agree with them. I've always understood primitive as the base from where everything else was built, the manga didn't use primitive in a derogative way, the only one treating that word as a derogative here is you.
My main problem is that the word primitive is almost always used in a derogatory way. Calling someone primitive is never a compliment. And also calling civilizations primitive was a strategy used by a lot of colonizing forces to excuse their horrendous actions by simply saying they're just a bunch of primitive Savages so it's fine for us to do this.
 
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Primitive means in the early stages but the problem is that we don't know when the early stages of a civilization end. Are we still in the Primitive stage or have we already entered the middle stage of a civilization? We have no way of knowing.
That's irrelevant, the early stages will always be measured relative from the current history, and when our history becomes long enough that we become primitive as well, then they can just make wider categorizations of primitive.
 
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My main problem is that the word primitive is almost always used in a derogatory way.
That's just your perspective, I don't hear it being used frequently at all, and even when it's used is not usually derogative, and in the few "derogative" instances I've heard it, it's often used jokingly and mostly thinking about pop culture's cavemen rather than the actual primitive humans, making fun of that representation rather than the historical group.

Calling someone primitive is never a compliment.
Why would it be? Is it automatically an insult if it's not praise?

And also calling civilizations primitive was a strategy used by a lot of colonizing forces to excuse their horrendous actions by simply saying they're just a bunch of primitive Savages so it's fine for us to do this.
And why tf should we care in a world where that strategy is no longer used? You are even talking about this in a space where no one is using the word Primitive in a derogative way and understand they weren't stupid. As I said, you are the only one here treating "Primitive" as to be equal to "Stupid" or "Savage".

Also, I even really like the word primitive, I even sometimes use it to explain specific emotions or reactions, meaning to portray them as something deep within our nature, the very foundations of our being and from where everything else is born. It's probably easier for me since in Spanish "primitive" is written "primitivo" which always reminded me of "primero" which is "first" so "Primitive Humans" only means "The very First Humans" to me. And as I said, that's always going to be relative to our current standing point.
 
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Ya know, I could really do without the "birds making fire" subreddit...
Specially since it's a mistake a teenager would 100% do, like there are many things about us that are pretty rare (like culture, menopause or sweating), but going as far as saying only we do one specific thing is a pretty easy mistake to do when you are that young.
 
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I don't think Manaka's intentions towards Kimura should be boiled down to "like" or "not like", she's being this assertive because she has a goal in mind that goes beyond her own wellbeing. She's worried about him and really cares, so rn everything else seems to be not as important, she's being more honest and less indecisive cause she's full on "suicide prevention" mode.

Not meaning to say that she's doing everything in a calculated way as to help Kimura, only that her determination to help him has dispelled any worry or insecurity she had, to "rise up to the challenge" so to speak.
 
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My main problem is that the word primitive is almost always used in a derogatory way. Calling someone primitive is never a compliment. And also calling civilizations primitive was a strategy used by a lot of colonizing forces to excuse their horrendous actions by simply saying they're just a bunch of primitive Savages so it's fine for us to do this.
Dude this is getting ridiculous, you've been at this for days on end now. Just stfu already and enjoy the manga or get out. No one asked for your anti-colonial rant or whatever you're trying to do here, save it for reddit.
 
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Dude this is getting ridiculous, you've been at this for days on end now. Just stfu already and enjoy the manga or get out. No one asked for your anti-colonial rant or whatever you're trying to do here, save it for reddit.
I'm going to complain as much as I please and there's nothing you can do about it.
 

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