Kajiya de Hajimeru Isekai Slow Life - Vol. 3 Ch. 14

[goodhunter]

Fully deserved that cold death, but I personally think it should have been worse. The family took you in when you, by all legality, had no rights or anything. Could have just been a mistress' son that was left as an orphan somewhere, but the real wife of the Count took him in and treated him as her own children. This alone should have been enough to be satisfied with living as part of the Count's family, even if you're not eligible for succession. The fact that he desired the position so much that he'd orchestrate the Count's and the first son's death means he was a despicable piece of shit to begin with and never deserved the kindness that was given to him all this time. Honestly, they should have disarmed him and arrested him. Afterwards, they should have had him publicly punished in front of the entire city and then executed as a means to completely denounce what was done and to also strip him of any dignity and honor he ever had before he dies a dog's death.

 

[Tamed]

This whole arc feels kinda stupid from the start. All because he was told he wasn't the main house member too. Wouldn't it be better to work together and make the family name more prestigious by adding strong unity despite the difference of stalk?

 

[Aelthar]

TBH that plan is very Stupid and very poorly thought, if it's an old sword and has been used even so slightly, it will still show it's age even if it has been maintained during the years... specially in a medieval setting. So if you bring a brand new sword without imperfections to compare against an old sword, one will notice right away which one is the fake one....

it's a magic world with dwarves, elves, and beastmen. The Hobbit and LotR had multiple master-crafted swords rotting in caves that were still sharp as the day they were forged. An heirloom sword that's magically durable and sharp is a classic fantasy trope so it tracks that these people would expect a sword granted by the king would be a little special. Christ, you HEMA and smithing larpers are cringe.

 

[BurningKing]

it's a magic world with dwarves, elves, and beastmen. The Hobbit and LotR had multiple master-crafted swords rotting in caves that were still sharp as the day they were forged. An heirloom sword that's magically durable and sharp is a classic fantasy trope so it tracks that these people would expect a sword granted by the king would be a little special. Christ, you HEMA and smithing larpers are cringe.

As a person who actually does HEMA, I agree these bozos that push "realism" onto fantasy and fiction are damn annoying.

 

[LLENN_]

TBH that plan is very Stupid and very poorly thought, if it's an old sword and has been used even so slightly, it will still show it's age even if it has been maintained during the years... specially in a medieval setting. So if you bring a brand new sword without imperfections to compare against an old sword, one will notice right away which one is the fake one....

Medieval fantasy setting. if there is such as magic and stuff the sword would still look new the old one.

 

[avefenixflames]

Medieval fantasy setting. if there is such as magic and stuff the sword would still look new the old one.

Basically you response lol...

 

[LLENN_]

Basically you response lol...

yup xD

 

[bpz88]

The whole bit about him sacrificing his own personal finished super-knife to use the steel doesn't make much sense. He's able to take iron and made super high quality processed steel out of it. Why can he suddenly not do that?

There's also the fact that taking processed and hardened steel and mixing it with whatever... if he even did that (the manga isn't clear) isn't just going to make high quality steel. All it's going to do is weaken the sacrificial steel of his knife. And him forging it like that is just decarbonizing the steel from his knife and making it even weaker by burning the carbon off of it.

So not only is he steel from his knife going to be wasted because he's just mixing it with iron laying around, but even if he's not - or also in conjunction with - he's weakening that steel by decarbonizing it by folding it.

It kinda just smacks of "grorious nippon steel folded to perfection" nonsense that still won't die.

Steel gains strength but becomes brittle and easily corroded when it has a lot of carbon. Because the non-magical furnace can't fully melt low-carbon iron (this was only achieved in the 1740s), he has to manually control the carbon content by repeatedly firing it (adding carbon) and then folding it (homogenizing the steel but also removing carbon). this is a lot easier if half the steel already has the right amount of carbon in it. It's not really Japanese, they just made cultural symbol of what is very hard work for marginal increases in quality.

 

[definitionofinsanity]

Steel gains strength but becomes brittle and easily corroded when it has a lot of carbon. Because the non-magical furnace can't fully melt low-carbon iron (this was only achieved in the 1740s), he has to manually control the carbon content by repeatedly firing it (adding carbon) and then folding it (homogenizing the steel but also removing carbon). this is a lot easier if half the steel already has the right amount of carbon in it. It's not really Japanese, they just made cultural symbol of what is very hard work for marginal increases in quality.

There's a reason why you then add sacrificial carbon.

He's adding steel that will in no way make up for the carbon content he's constantly losing to the oxidation due to the repeated soakings and forging process.

Him adding a finished blade doesn't add enough carbon and him folding the steel is just spreading out what little carbon it adds and also burns off more because he has to forge it.

This isn't a technique you do. You either plan for it ahead of time with sacrificial carbon content to make up for what you know you're going to burn off or you desperately add more (which is a last ditch attempt to hit your carbon limit).

At no point was this guy having the issue of having too much carbon content. The exact opposite, actually. And, yes, the "folding steel to get carbon content right" is definitely a Japanese thing and it came about because while the Japanese had... really fucking terrible steel forging and furnace technology compared to Europe and other places, they had decent metalworking technology. And that is how they attempted to make up for it. And it also helped because the process produced pieces of varying carbon content from the Tamahagane source that was used for the different parts of the blade.

 

[bpz88]

There's a reason why you then add sacrificial carbon.

He's adding steel that will in no way make up for the carbon content he's constantly losing to the oxidation due to the repeated soakings and forging process.

Him adding a finished blade doesn't add enough carbon and him folding the steel is just spreading out what little carbon it adds and also burns off more because he has to forge it.

This isn't a technique you do. You either plan for it ahead of time with sacrificial carbon content to make up for what you know you're going to burn off or you desperately add more (which is a last ditch attempt to hit your carbon limit).

At no point was this guy having the issue of having too much carbon content. The exact opposite, actually. And, yes, the "folding steel to get carbon content right" is definitely a Japanese thing and it came about because while the Japanese had... really fucking terrible steel forging and furnace technology compared to Europe and other places, they had decent metalworking technology. And that is how they attempted to make up for it. And it also helped because the process produced pieces of varying carbon content from the Tamahagane source that was used for the different parts of the blade.

Him adding a finished blade is adding steel that is already homogeneously at the correct carbon rate. He then adds freshly produced, high-carbon iron as used in the previous swords and folds it into homogeneity. What Japan lacked is the technically superior finery forges, but while those are much more productive, they rely on burning carbon until iron precipitates as a solid in the slag. If you want steel from it, you recarburize the surface in a charcoal fire. If you need the steel to be homogeneous, you fold it - simple as. Again, this is how europeans did it up until the 1700s.

 

[definitionofinsanity]

Him adding a finished blade is adding steel that is already homogeneously at the correct carbon rate.

Which is pointless and useless. With adding a blade like that, you're not adding any useful amount of carbon whatsoever to the blade. In fact, he's most likely decarburizing and losing more carbon due to putting through a forge cycle.

He then adds freshly produced, high-carbon iron as used in the previous swords

You're doing the work for the author here because it doesn't show him or tell that that is what he's doing. And, even if it was, it's still pointless because that's not adding useful amounts of carbon. Again, every time the steel goes into the forge it decarburizes some. He's not gaining any useful amount of carbon here even if he was doing what you're saying he was doing. And the manga sure as shit doesn't say or tell that's what he's doing. It makes a point to show him sacrificing knives, but nothing beyond that.

I'd like to point out that the manga shows him doing 15 cycles of that. That's a fuck load of carbon being burnt off each time. He lost carbon content doing that. I guarantee you.

If you need the steel to be homogeneous, you fold it - simple as. Again, this is how europeans did it up until the 1700s.

Yeah, not true.

Crucible steel was already capable of being homogeneous well before the Bessemer process you're citing.
And it was known, albeit very well protected and less practiced, technology and worksmanship that the Europeans were capable of producing centuries before hand.

 

[goodhunter]

Even Japanese people don't understand the aspects of katanas. Folding techniques weren't superior smithing techniques. They were necessary to get rid of impurities in low quality iron ores. Japan didn't have a lot of good quality iron ores, so the technique they developed was to fold the smelted iron many times to draw out all the impurities. So if he was using his own high quality knife as the metal, it was pointless endeavor to fold it. It would make sense though if the metal he was given to use was lower quality and had a a lot of impurities. But if that wasn't the case, then this is just another case of "nippon katana forging techniques are superior!" bs

 

[goodhunter]

i do think he ALWAYS was a psychopath. he was just biding his time and did only pretend he did love his siblings to get their guards down.. because to do all the stuff he did... that is not a sane and good person who will do that.
he was ready to kill everyone in his way to the power. so.. no sympathy for him. now he can do an useful thing. feeding dirt and worms in his grave.

Yup. If you were literally raised as siblings in the family, furthermore, you actually ARE family considering you're still half siblings .. he just wasn't a good person to start with. They never even explained Karel's reasoning as to why he switched so hard and fast like that. Never talked about some kind of resentment that grew since he was younger, as he felt that he was never truly a part of the family as an illegitimate son, and that he started (at least in his mind) seeing how they were favoring the legitimate heirs over him, and etc. Nope, none of that. He simply decided on his own to kill his father, his real father mind you, and his older half brother just to take over the house. He was just simply evil to his core from the get go. The mother of the family literally killed her own husband and son by bringing the evil scum into their home and raising him like one of her own.