Osananajimi wo Mirume ga Kawatte Shimatta - Ch. 11 - Childhood Friend and the Sports Festival (3)

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I don't see why he wouldn't help her.

Kazuki's a sullen shut-in whose loss to Sayaka in middle school turned him away from the extroverted, proactive person he used to be. But we still see multiple examples of him still helping her in some way or other and being there for her when it matters.
I'm actually hoping the loss in karate is just a consequence of his social decline and not the catalyst for it. Unless I'm mistaken, we haven't been introduced to his father, so maybe that's part of the cause.
 
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I'm actually hoping the loss in karate is just a consequence of his social decline and not the catalyst for it. Unless I'm mistaken, we haven't been introduced to his father, so maybe that's part of the cause.

Father's not been introduced yet (don't think I've seen a shrine in the household either, or at least nothing calling attention to it), so as of right now it's a mystery.

That said, I don't know if something like "his dad left/died unexpectedly" would fit the rest of the tone of this series; that's a real serious shift in narrative that also forces circumstances upon Kazuki's character, rather than it being a matter of him "doing it to himself". The story becomes the active agent instead of the characters, and given this is a romcom series wherein the characters are the driving force of the plot, shifting the format toward "events over people" would be a bit jarring.



I could easily see it being a matter of Kazuki always being "the leader" between him and Sayaka, and then once she decided she didn't want to be dragging him back/always following along behind, she put in lots of effort while he coasted on "natural talent/ability" until she surpassed him. Instead of congratulating her and/or using her success to motivate him further, Kazuki took the loss personally, ran away, and fell further and further into "moody teendom" as Sayaka continued excelling.
Besides - we have Sayaka in the previous chapter's flashback scene showing conviction about not wanting to continuously be the one's falling down and falling behind. That dovetails with her pushing herself in middle school and finally beating him, and from there it's a matter of Kazuki's pride getting the better of him until it snowballed into what he's become.

It's a tale as old as time, and it keeps the narrative focus on them and their relationship, rather than forcing things onto them that they had no control over. That's also a possibility, certainly, but the series is too tied-in to how it focuses entirely around characterization and the interpersonal dynamic between the cast. Pulling out the focus and imposing worldly events onto them in plot-significant ways would have needed to be done from the get-go, if that was the storytelling vehicle of choice for the author.
 
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This boy is literally running in heels and a dress yet doing it flawlessly. Forget returning him to his old self, he is already op.

thinking about it more, that's actually the point, I think.

Kazuki's still athletic and capable as he ever was. It's not a matter of him no longer being able to do what he used to do--getting good grades, excelling in the sports festival, being outgoing and considerate of those around him. The significance is that he's emotionally closed off, and hiding away from the world and everything he used to seemingly find real joy in.

He absolutely didn't want anything to do with any of the sports festival--not because he couldn't hack it, but because it's too close to how things "used to be", and he (presumably) doesn't want to engage with those memories. And with the end of this chapter mirroring the previous chapter's flashback events, I suspect Kazuki will "step up" once more to help Sayaka, and in so doing making him confront those parts of his younger self he turned away from.
 
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Meu pai ainda não foi apresentado (acho que também não vi nenhum altar na casa, ou pelo menos nada que chamasse a atenção para ele), então, por enquanto, é um mistério.

Dito isso, não sei se algo como "seu pai o abandonou/morreu inesperadamente" se encaixaria no tom geral da série; essa é uma mudança narrativa muito drástica que também impõe circunstâncias ao personagem de Kazuki, em vez de ser algo que ele "faz consigo mesmo". A história se torna o agente ativo em vez dos personagens e, considerando que esta é uma série de comédia romântica em que os personagens são a força motriz da trama, mudar o formato para "eventos em vez de pessoas" seria um pouco chocante.



Eu facilmente consigo imaginar Kazuki sempre sendo "o líder" entre ele e Sayaka, e então, quando ela decidiu que não queria mais ficar puxando-o para trás/seguindo-a sempre, ela se esforçou muito enquanto ele se apoiava em seu "talento/habilidade natural" até que ela o superou. Em vez de parabenizá-la e/ou usar o sucesso dela para motivá-lo ainda mais, Kazuki levou a derrota para o lado pessoal, fugiu e mergulhou cada vez mais em um "adolescente mal-humorado" enquanto Sayaka continuava se destacando.
Além disso, temos Sayaka na cena de flashback do capítulo anterior, demonstrando convicção em não querer ser sempre aquela que cai e fica para trás. Isso se encaixa com o fato dela se esforçar no ensino fundamental e finalmente vencê-lo, e a partir daí é uma questão do orgulho de Kazuki o dominar até se transformar no que ele se tornou.

É uma história tão antiga quanto o tempo, e mantém o foco narrativo neles e em seu relacionamento, em vez de forçar situações sobre as quais não tinham controle. Essa também é uma possibilidade, certamente, mas a série está muito atrelada à forma como se concentra inteiramente na caracterização e na dinâmica interpessoal entre o elenco. Se esse fosse o recurso narrativo escolhido pelo autor, teria que ter desviado o foco e imposto eventos mundanos a eles de maneiras significativas para a trama.
Yes! In my opinion, Kazuki is still the stronger of the two. However, his father likely died or abandoned him, leading him to conclude that nothing matters anymore; that’s why he gave up after his defeat by Sayaka—though I believe he will rise again.
 
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That's also a possibility, certainly, but the series is too tied-in to how it focuses entirely around characterization and the interpersonal dynamic between the cast. Pulling out the focus and imposing worldly events onto them in plot-significant ways would have needed to be done from the get-go, if that was the storytelling vehicle of choice for the author.
That would suppose the only force with any bearing on the two of them is each other. And while that seem to be what the mangaka is going for, what with making almost everyone else faceless npcs, it does make the world - and by extension their romance - more shallow. Even their friends thus far don't feel like people and just serve to reinforce the circumstances the MCs find themselves in.
 
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Yes! In my opinion, Kazuki is still the stronger of the two. However, his father likely died or abandoned him, leading him to conclude that nothing matters anymore; that’s why he gave up after his defeat by Sayaka—though I believe he will rise again.

I think we would have needed some sort of foreshadowing, if a dead parent is part of Kazuki's backstory. Dropping something like that out of nowhere with zero setup would be very jarring, and doesn't fit the tone of what the author's shown us up to now.

He doesn't read as someone hollowed out by some tragic event pushed upon him; it's not even been two years since "the incident" transpired that turned Kazuki into who he is at the start of the series, and while I won't judge others for how they grieve, neither him nor his mother give any sense that they're working through the loss of a father & husband. She's just lost patience with his moodiness, and he's closed off and checked out of all the things he used to like.



It's entirely reasonable for Kazuki's "falling moment" to be him getting surpassed by the weak little crybaby Sayaka after she put in a lot of effort to improve herself. It doesn't have to be more complicated or dramatic than that, and a dead dad is more complicated and dramatic and there's been nothing in the way of even suggesting that something that serious in tone has transpired. Kazuki fell down and turned sullen because he thought he'd always be "the leader" between the two of them, and the moment Sayaka bested him, he lost his way. The story then revolves around him coming to terms with what happened, and how it needn't define him, or his relationship with her, and that simply "giving up" as he has isn't the way to go.
 
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That would suppose the only force with any bearing on the two of them is each other. And while that seem to be what the mangaka is going for, what with making almost everyone else faceless npcs, it does make the world - and by extension their romance - more shallow. Even their friends thus far don't feel like people and just serve to reinforce the circumstances the MCs find themselves in.

I'd argue that focusing on Kazuki & Sayaka's dynamic specifically isn't shallow; it's just the actual focus of the story, because it revolves around the two of them and their relationship over time.
The rest of the world being more set-dressing, and the majority of the other characters depicted being literal background noise, just reinforces that it's a story of two people, not two people in a larger world. Their relationship hinges on them and their history, not external events--even the sports festival itself is a vehicle for Kazuki's shift in attitude about things (the previous chapter's flashback) and the dynamic between him and Sayaka. I don't think that makes their relationship "shallow"; it just narrows the scope of the story, which isn't the same thing.
 
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I'd argue that focusing on Kazuki & Sayaka's dynamic specifically isn't shallow; it's just the actual focus of the story, because it revolves around the two of them and their relationship over time.
The rest of the world being more set-dressing, and the majority of the other characters depicted being literal background noise, just reinforces that it's a story of two people, not two people in a larger world. Their relationship hinges on them and their history, not external events--even the sports festival itself is a vehicle for Kazuki's shift in attitude about things (the previous chapter's flashback) and the dynamic between him and Sayaka. I don't think that makes their relationship "shallow"; it just narrows the scope of the story, which isn't the same thing.
A narrowed focus on them is fine and even good for a romance-centered narrative. But making their problems/motivations start and end with each other makes for a less compelling story. Even if the world is just a vehicle for their relationship, it should still function as a world they exist in and that affects their lives.
 
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A narrowed focus on them is fine and even good for a romance-centered narrative. But making their problems/motivations start and end with each other makes for a less compelling story. Even if the world is just a vehicle for their relationship, it should still function as a world they exist in and that affects their lives.

if that is the case, then whatever "worldly event" that transpired would have had to impact Kazuki and no one else, and occurred a little more than a year before the start of the series.

Nothing we've seen from Sayaka or from Kazuki's mother or from any other introduced character suggests they're aware of some external event that has turned Kazuki into the person he's become. His mother's interactions with him strongly suggest she's simply fed up with his moody and lazy behavior, and we're only just now getting anything of substance from Sayaka--but it's all focused around her memories of them as kids, and the texture of their relationship with him "being the strong leader" and her being the weak crybaby who is always helped by him.

There's nothing in their attitude toward Kazuki that would fit with a tragic event occurring that caused him to pull back from the world, at least on the level of the father dying or leaving or something. That would have impacted the mother just as much, and she'd have a point of connection where even if she was tired of Kazuki's behavior, she'd have some semblence of understanding as to why he's acting this way--and instead it all seems foreign to her.
Sayaka would also be privy to such an event happening, what with how close they were all through their childhood, and even with Kazuki's mother (she's allowed to go over and use their bath; not something you do for your child's friend unless you know them well, yourself). But nothing we've been shown from her points to her being aware of the reason for why Kazuki is the way he is now; and something like losing his dad would be on her radar as a cause for the shift in attitude.

That doesn't mean it couldn't be something else, but again--we've gotten nothing in the way of foreshadowing, beyond knowing a timeline prior to the manga's start, and the one flashback of some martial arts contest that showed Sayaka getting first and Kazuki getting third, that coincided with him wanting to throw away all of his placards/awards from that period of his life.

Whatever happened, would have to simultaneously be important enough to Kazuki that he'd throw away everything he'd liked before that point, and be small enough that his mother and Sayaka either aren't aware of it, or consider it so small a thing that his behavior is unjustified.
If instead it was a crisis born out of Kazuki's loss of identity in being "the leader" for Sayaka, then what we've been shown from the cast to this point would at least be consistent.



And besides -- the world is still there; we have the sports festival in this very chapter, and the "Hell Relay Event" was brought back by other agents and is what lead to this moment where Kazuki was forced to step out of himself, and where Sayaka has a repeating of history (last chapter's flashback) and Kazuki finds himself faced with a decision. But the main driving force of the narrative remains Kazuki and his grappling with himself and what it is he wants to do, and who he wants to be--coupled with how Sayaka fits into his life.
 
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i dont think cheering is gonna fix her injury or make the pain go away
that said he got gothic lolita but there was a guy in a bridal dress
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gotta give credit, he run in those thick heel
 
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I think we would have needed some sort of foreshadowing, if a dead parent is part of Kazuki's backstory. Dropping something like that out of nowhere with zero setup would be very jarring, and doesn't fit the tone of what the author's shown us up to now.

He doesn't read as someone hollowed out by some tragic event pushed upon him; it's not even been two years since "the incident" transpired that turned Kazuki into who he is at the start of the series, and while I won't judge others for how they grieve, neither him nor his mother give any sense that they're working through the loss of a father & husband. She's just lost patience with his moodiness, and he's closed off and checked out of all the things he used to like.



It's entirely reasonable for Kazuki's "falling moment" to be him getting surpassed by the weak little crybaby Sayaka after she put in a lot of effort to improve herself. It doesn't have to be more complicated or dramatic than that, and a dead dad is more complicated and dramatic and there's been nothing in the way of even suggesting that something that serious in tone has transpired. Kazuki fell down and turned sullen because he thought he'd always be "the leader" between the two of them, and the moment Sayaka bested him, he lost his way. The story then revolves around him coming to terms with what happened, and how it needn't define him, or his relationship with her, and that simply "giving up" as he has isn't the way to go.
I respect your opinion, man, but I think the author is going to delve deeper into this. In my view, a father leaving the mother and never coming back without a word isn't exactly surprising; there's another manga—I can't recall the name—where the MC's mother made him a meal and then left during the night without saying anything, plunging the MC into depression and guilt. The same thing might have happened to Kazuki. While some young people naturally lose their spark when they get surpassed, something like that could have happened to him and affected his performance. I don't mean to downplay Sayaka's efforts, but the way I see it, Kazuki's life is a bit more complex than hers—though we'll only find out for sure later on.
 
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I respect your opinion, man, but I think the author is going to delve deeper into this. In my view, a father leaving the mother and never coming back without a word isn't exactly surprising; there's another manga—I can't recall the name—where the MC's mother made him a meal and then left during the night without saying anything, plunging the MC into depression and guilt. The same thing might have happened to Kazuki. While some young people naturally lose their spark when they get surpassed, something like that could have happened to him and affected his performance. I don't mean to downplay Sayaka's efforts, but the way I see it, Kazuki's life is a bit more complex than hers—though we'll only find out for sure later on.

That's fair. I'm mostly speaking from a meta-sense of the story, in terms of how the tone of what we've been shown to this point is rather "light" when it comes to the main conceit of narrative tension--that is, Kazuki going from being this outgoing, bright child to a sullen & moody teenager, with whatever causing it being left unsaid so as to generate interest and intrigue for the reader.

Everything that we've seen from him, from his mother, and from Sayaka suggests that the "stakes" of the story are rather tame, compared to something like an absent/dead father, which would be a real shift in the style of storytelling. Especially as there should have been some hint by this point--even if not stated but merely shown in the background, or in Kazuki's way of carrying himself specifically--to point to this series pushing toward a "heavy" topic like that. Parents dying when their children are young, or one member abandoning the family, are elements in storytelling that push the writing in certain directions: they are by definition more mature and serious, because the real-life parallels are mature and serious for the people experiencing them.

It's a compelling narrative device, but I just don't see it working here, because everything's been presented as very lighthearted up to this point. Kazuki's just a moody teenager who's running away from himself; his mom's fed up with his nonsense and she vallicates between berating and browbeating him, and gushing over Sayaka as she compares the two; Sayaka's presented as a ditzy airhead who's also become "perfect", and against whom Kazuki is constantly measured against (and found wanting).

If we suddenly get "oh by the way a year ago Kazuki's dad died/left and that's why he quit martial arts and stopped applying himself in school or leaving his room", then it makes his mother's treatment of him rather strange; she's treating him like a lazy adolescent, not like a child who recently lost his father and has since lost his way. And Sayaka is close to Kazuki and his mother; she would also know if something like that happened, and seems straightforward enough that there being zero mention from her by this time would feel like a plot hole.
I think if the author wanted to take that serious route with the story's plot, it could work--but no groundwork has been laid to indicate to the reader that the story itself is trending in that sort of serious tonal direction, and none of the characters are behaving like specter of a missing/dead parent is hanging over them. So dropping it in now, would make it feel like a different series entirely.



Whereas if Kazuki simply found himself bested by the childhood friend he was always effortlessly leading around, that sort of blow to his ego and his identity would just as easily & effectively create the current state of affairs of the series. It fits the tone of the story we've been given, and the stakes of "boy loses his sense of identity in adolescence and has to grow up and find himself" is a great premise all on its own, and doesn't need to rely on something as drastic as dead/deadbeat dads to be compelling.
 
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if that is the case, then whatever "worldly event" that transpired would have had to impact Kazuki and no one else, and occurred a little more than a year before the start of the series.
I don't disagree - and didn't before - with your read on events of the manga thus far. From what we've been shown, the loss in tournament is the only event we can lean on to explain Kazuki's behavior. My argument was that going with that and making everything begin and end with these 2 makes it all feel shallow. It still feels that way too. Aside from our main characters, no one feels like they're real people.

You pointed out that this change in personality would have took place over the course of a little over a year. Yet no one in their class exhibits any knowledge of what Kazuki was like before and are baffled that he and Sayaka have any relationship, platonic or otherwise. Despite the short span of time and her complaints, his mother already seems resigned to having a reclusive son, doesn't show interest in how he got this way or even try to mitigate his behavior by taking away his electronics. Sayaka is the only one who seems to care that her friend did a 180 in life so quickly. While that's sweet in an abstract sense, it makes everyone else look like NPCs. Why? For romance? So there's no confusion on how much she cares about him?

And besides -- the world is still there; we have the sports festival in this very chapter, and the "Hell Relay Event" was brought back by other agents and is what lead to this moment where Kazuki was forced to step out of himself, and where Sayaka has a repeating of history (last chapter's flashback) and Kazuki finds himself faced with a decision. But the main driving force of the narrative remains Kazuki and his grappling with himself and what it is he wants to do, and who he wants to be--coupled with how Sayaka fits into his life.
Yeah the current arc is fine.
 

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