GraPara! - Vol. 14 Ch. 136 - Grapara!

[HirugashiX]

Ok what maga are you all talking about? I wanna join in.

Dame Ningen no Aishikata / How to Love a Loser

 

[master-34]

From a story stand point the mc getting he girlfriend or wife or harem back and having a happy life with them should get the ntr guy to have a mental break down because that means that everything he did to make the women his get's undone

 

[box2024]

Dame Ningen no Aishikata / How to Love a Loser

So there is ntr in this? Seems like a weird love story right now. Ex is nuts isn't she? Well fuck me that got depressing.

 

[Jhon1617]

So there is ntr in this? Seems like a weird love story right now. Ex is nuts isn't she? Well fuck me that got depressing.

This is another great NTR bait. If we look at the FMC's flashbacks with her ex-boyfriend, and we see a panel of her in underwear but very ambiguous, my opinion is that she was planning to give him her virginity, that he won't leave her because of his insecurities about his father's abandonment, but before she could, she discovered that her ex-boyfriend was cheating on her.

But if she slept with her ex-boyfriend, it can't be considered Ntr

 

[Cross-21-]

So there is ntr in this? Seems like a weird love story right now. Ex is nuts isn't she? Well fuck me that got depressing.

The only NTR we have in this is that in the past FMC's Ex cheated on her and she found out. And now the major debate that people have is that she gave her 1st time to the Ex and not MC... Which doesn't matter at all IMO, she didn't even know MC then.

If all you wanted was my personal take on the chapter, then here, happy?

Do I personally think she had sex in the latest chapter? Dunno, the author actually never showed what happened. She could have went through with it, she also couldn't have and cancelled after the drinks. She could even had went drinking after doing, or not doing the deed. The current theory based on what's revealed thus far leans on maybe, but since it's not been proven yet, you choose what you think happened, I won't.

Do I personally think the rumours about her being a slut in the past is true? Dunno, the author never revealed the truth yet. It could be just slander, it could have actually happened. At the moment, it is leaning towards "maybe, but she her reasons" if, AND ONLY IF, she went all the way with the guy in the latest chapter.

Do I personally think she is romantically in love with the MC? No, at least not yet. What has been shown was that she did not want to separate from him (chapter 4 flashback) indicating dependency (she NEEDS to be beside him to truly feel happy), they did get separated once (her disappearing from Naoto 10 years prior), all her current actions in the present is so that they won't get separated again (because she NEEDS to be beside him to truly feel happy, she likely doesn't even know what it means to be romantically attracted to someone).

Do I personally believe her statement that she does not have a lover? Yes, because of her dependency on the MC's mere presence beside her making her feel truly happy like she had in the past, she does not want or even need ANYTHING ELSE, that may include becoming lovers with the MC. She probably doesn't even know what it means to be "romantically in love" with someone because she feels happy enough just by being within the MC's vicinity.

Do I personally believe the two will be together by the end of the story? In one way or another, yes. This is pretty much guaranteed, but the shape on how they will be together in the end remains a mystery for another day.

Do I personally think the author flew too close to Katsura? Story-wise? No, despite all the sus possibilities that could've meant NTR happened, there's always a way out with the possibility that NTR never happened via not showing the readers what actually happened by blocking the view or a timeskip. IRL? Probably, there are reports of people getting mad about the latest chapter in Twitter, not that it matters, I mean it's Twitter, people get mad at everything there.

Do I personally care much for Katsura's future career as an author? For mainstream consumption? No, what her Editors gave the ok for release is very much career-ending, sabotage levels even one could say if they have the evidence for it. For doujin works? No, unless she makes an official "I'm Gonna Fix That Girl version" of her works, she's not going to be a go-to.

Will I pick a side, YES or NO, in the whole "is the manga NTR or NOT?" debate? No, my side is always "only what the author had revealed so far".

Do I personally think the MC and FMC will have sex? Dunno, the author could write it so the two could have sex the next chapter, the last chapter, or not at all. Until the author reveals the truth, remember... Nothing Is True, Everything is Permitted.

So basically you point in this whole discussion was "FMC doesn't love MC romantically (for now)", and you have a neutral stance on everything else? Ok then, now that this is cleared up we can move on...

KA did so much damage to people recently that any deep backstory is immediately downplayed. It's either that, or people truly just read for the "plot" and not the actual plot.

Let me just correct you a bit... If you're talking about the people in this thread, the only one that got some sort of damage is box. Which is understandable since he followed it for years and is a hopeless romantic, as he said...
The rest of us, a bit fat NO! We're just making fun of this situation and everything related to NTR. Why? Mostly because the most enjoyable part of Grapara was the comment section and the little community that was made from it. We don't take any of this serious, this also refers to the "plot" part you mentioned. We searched for the plot and deep meaning for to long in Grapara, we're kinda worn out from it now lol Wait! Does this also count as damage from KA? Maybe it does... Fuck lol

Anyway, sorry for the rambling, we're just keeping this thread alive now for fun and waiting for a possible Epilogue in the last Grapara vol (to be disappointed even more lol).

 

[master-34]

This is another great NTR bait. If we look at the FMC's flashbacks with her ex-boyfriend, and we see a panel of her in underwear but very ambiguous, my opinion is that she was planning to give him her virginity, that he won't leave her because of his insecurities about his father's abandonment, but before she could, she discovered that her ex-boyfriend was cheating on her.

But if she slept with her ex-boyfriend, it can't be considered Ntr

the female mc mother got cheated on and the fmc got cheated on by her ex so the mc does not get ntred

 

[whorainzoneeee]

Respectfully i’m ngl first marriage doesn’t make much sense so it’s probably something else. It could also be that she almost did it with her ex but actually didn’t because he dumped her. The artist also recently responded on her twitter she will be making a happy ending for both of them so let’s see. Also, i don’t think it really matters if he got her first time or not if she is going to have her baby lol.

And I agree with that. Marriage sounds so out of place in this scenario to me. But I’m just going with what she said to him. I can see her still being a virgin but I can also see that she is no virgin. If it’s bait than I have to say the mangaka got me good because I think she is no longer a virgin

 

[HirugashiX]

The only NTR we have in this is that in the past FMC's Ex cheated on her and she found out. And now the major debate that people have is that she gave her 1st time to the Ex and not MC... Which doesn't matter at all IMO, she didn't even know MC then.

For real, they didn’t even know each other at that time. Also the author said she will be making a happy ending for the both of them. So most likely we will see them married and have kids. Why would her giving her first time to him or not even matter anymore at that point lol.

 

[Cross-21-]

For real, they didn’t even know each other at that time. Also the author said she will be making a happy ending of the both of them. So most likely we will see them married and have kids. Why would her giving her first time to him or not even matter anymore at that point lol.

Glad to hear it, after all she's been trough (that back story was really hard to read ngl) she deserves some real happiness!

 

[HirugashiX]

Glad to hear it, after all she's been trough (that back story was really hard to read ngl) she deserves some real happiness!

I just want to see both of them change to be better people and a healthy couple. Also from what the author is saying there could be a chance she is actually giving her first time to him. Not that it matters but it would be so sweet and makes sense because she did said she wants to give one of her first time to him.

 

[shinya78]

So basically you point in this whole discussion was "FMC doesn't love MC romantically (for now)", and you have a neutral stance on everything else? Ok then, now that this is cleared up we can move on...

I've said that in my original post the entire time.
Which part of "(yet)" in my original post did people not understand, c'mon man.

Let me just correct you a bit... If you're talking about the people in this thread, the only one that got some sort of damage is box. Which is understandable since he followed it for years and is a hopeless romantic, as he said...
The rest of us, a bit fat NO! We're just making fun of this situation and everything related to NTR. Why? Mostly because the most enjoyable part of Grapara was the comment section and the little community that was made from it. We don't take any of this serious, this also refers to the "plot" part you mentioned. We searched for the plot and deep meaning for to long in Grapara, we're kinda worn out from it now lol Wait! Does this also count as damage from KA? Maybe it does... Fuck lol

Anyway, sorry for the rambling, we're just keeping this thread alive now for fun and waiting for a possible Epilogue in the last Grapara vol (to be disappointed even more lol).

Yup, she got you with the surprise fastball right at then end, not as bad as box, but she still got to you. The question now is, WHY DID HER EDITOR(S) GAVE THE OK TO PUBLISH THAT CHAPTER? They barely get any heat when they're the ones that held the keys to the car.

Anyway, let's just hope that a possible epilogue is an official "I'm Gonna Fix That Girl" ending.

 

[SS-2010]

that will age like milk in a few weeks. Not to mention despite that the majority think that they will sleep together and be together in a few weeks… none of that matters until the author reveals what happens next. the approval is rn in front of you. Also coping my comments make you look embarrassing. Saying that have a good day and keep going with your useless assumptions

Personally, I always appreciate differing opinions, especially when they are grounded in reason.

@Cross-21- , it's not only @box2024 that took the Airi Katsura (sensei)'s effect but also @shinya78 . LOL

However, I detest it when people cross the line by insulting others for their views especially by using the word "useless" because no opinion is truly useless, not even your opinion that refuses to accept the truth the author of Quirky Girl has told us.

Your disparagement of others such as @whorainzoneeee deserves condemnation as warning.

What I and others want to see is the proof for your idea that the FMC wasn't a brocon and didn't love the MC for a long time but she just changed her feelings after reuniting with him ten years later. Please don't dodge the issue! LOL

My assumption is, the FMC is a child from a previous relationship of someone who married into the MC's family. She used to see him every summer vacation but she stopped coming after her parents divorced as there was no longer any reason for her to visit who's not blood-related.

She's been in love with the MC for a long time but she's afraid to tell him so she tried to act as a very good pure elder sister (Luna-nee image) which is not her trueself (her trueself is what she's now and she called it "Luna"). She couldn't help teasing him since that time because she's a naughty girl but tried to keep a good image. LOL

Anyway, unlike @shinya78 said, the FMC didn't have a problem with her dad because she rarely saw him at home but instead she's a problem with her mom (chapter 12). And it started in middle school when she took her to the country side during the summer vacation that she met the MC for the first time.

She might have seduced men to spite her mom and because of her dad's absence but that was before she met the MC and he did stop her to develop to be the real slut.

Now, she masturbates whenever she wants to hold back her feeling for him but at that time she went to kiss guys as he saw. She's a big brocon but wants to keep it secret. That'd explain what she said when sleeping and hugging him in chapter 4.5 and what she said in chapter 16.1 that he might hate her if she told him the reason why she kissed that guy (she kissed his forehead but she really kissed another guy).

She's been obsessed with him for all along. She kept a full box of her photos with him. It's so embarrassed to let him know she's crazy about him.

For some reason, her mom stopped taking her to visit the MC (I assumed a divorce after discovering she's a child from cheating, not from her dad. So MC's parents avoided to tell the MC.) and she was the child her mom brought into the marriage while the MC was a relative on her dad's side.

Oh, you still didn't answer @Cross-21- 's assumption properly that if she's not in love with the MC, why did she keep masturbating since the chapter 1 ? A girl like her can get plenty of men's dicks without masturbation. Please show us why you said she's sex with many men but don't want the MC to know?

@Jhon1617 , I think her fetish is like Tsubami-chan in Ueno-kun Has Been Developed (Ueno-kun wa Kaihatsuzumi) who is pervert but still a virgin. She works at her friend's bar (Hiba-san, the masochist) and entertains her customers there as well as releases her own stress. She brings some of them to her room to do it but while the MC stays with her, she can't bring them home anymore. She doesn't work as a rental girlfriend but it's her hobby to do S&M.

If having real sex with men while using the MC as her masturbation material is strange, how about being a lesbian with S&M fetish @jonasadan ? As @Jhon1617 has another theory that the FMC has been doing it with women all the time (@box2024 will be happy with this. LOL), and it seems to be possible because...

We never saw the person she kissed behind the door is a man or a woman (chapter 4). The MC always visit Hiba-san's bar "Witch's Tavern" where the FMC works before it opens (chapter 10 and chapter 17.1) so we never know it's women's bar (lesbians) or not. Why she won over her embarrassment in order to declare she's no boyfriend and the men's voice are from porn video in chapter 15.2? We can't confirm that she really selected 1 of 3 guys in the search result that MC saw and we can't see the person she met is a man or a women (chapter 25).

She felt shy about many things that a woman who had sex with many men wouldn't normally be embarrassed by, given that she was already accustomed to nudity and touching men's genitals (chapter 19.2). LOL

Please be remined this is a real "rom-com" manga unlike the fake "rom-com" Grapara. LOL

So, IMHO, The MC is the reason she didn't become a slut for 10 years before they reunited. She's been in love with him and obsessed with it all along (she didn't change but felt her dream can come true)! LOL

Your mission is to prove you're right and I'm wrong by using the author's actual content (not your own story) and please do not disparage others' opinions like a sore loser. OK? Best regards.

P.S. The underlined chapters included links to each chapter.

 

[SS-2010]

Dame Ningen no Aishikata / How to Love a Loser

From a story stand point the mc getting he girlfriend or wife or harem back and having a happy life with them should get the ntr guy to have a mental break down because that means that everything he did to make the women his get's undone

This is another great NTR bait. If we look at the FMC's flashbacks with her ex-boyfriend, and we see a panel of her in underwear but very ambiguous, my opinion is that she was planning to give him her virginity, that he won't leave her because of his insecurities about his father's abandonment, but before she could, she discovered that her ex-boyfriend was cheating on her.

But if she slept with her ex-boyfriend, it can't be considered Ntr

The only NTR we have in this is that in the past FMC's Ex cheated on her and she found out. And now the major debate that people have is that she gave her 1st time to the Ex and not MC... Which doesn't matter at all IMO, she didn't even know MC then.

You guys, please don't try to change my mind to read this manga because I've only finished one of the revenge manga on the list @Cross-21- had given so far! LOL

Recommended revenge manga list : https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/grapara-vol-14-ch-136-grapara.2708763/post-31092615

P.S. I wonder which manga @diphuc1 and @Alsatia are reading now.

 

[Cross-21-]

New Ueno ch delivers again! I almost died laughing at the development on the last few pages!

 

[Cross-21-]

You guys, please don't try to change my mind to read this manga because I've only finished one of the revenge manga on the list @Cross-21- had given so far! LOL

But you don't have to rush it, maybe wait a few weeks. It only has 3 chapters left until the end...

 

[hugorito420]

New Ueno ch delivers again! I almost died laughing at the development on the last few pages!

I think the author has a masochism fetish.

 

[Jhon1617]

I think the author has a masochism fetish.

I think all the men in that manga are masochists 😂

 

[hugorito420]

I think the author has a masochism fetish.

And i think we'll may have a part 2 of the bullies doing it with him again with Manaka.The author posted on her/his X page a pannel that she/he draw of Chisaki and wrote "it will continue a little longer".

 

[Cross-21-]

I think the author has a masochism fetish.

Yeah, for sure! But who saw that coming!? This author is a god damn legend

 

[hugorito420]

Daredemo has a break this week again?