Kimi wa Yotsuba no Clover - Vol. 10 Ch. 84

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Hope brother goes full Echoes ACT 3 on the mom

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The heck are you on. Yotsuha is not a bad person. Would a bad person be able to willingly suffer and endure so much just to save and bring happiness to one person. Don't even think about comparing her to whatever evil that was her mother
I agree with you, as would happen normally, but, now, let me poorly play devil's advocate for a moment.

Perhaps framing it as "bad" is incorrect. However, if we were to think of this in a certain way, it may hold true. Kazuha did everything she wanted to do, due to her desires; those desires sought out people's descent from happiness to misery. That's what made her the most happy. No action was deemed too crazy, unorthodox, nor unethical to get to those results. In a similar way, Yotsuba has done the same. Granted, it was from a completely unselfish desire, to see the one she loved happy, but she wasn't even against killing Uichi's parents or setting up anyone that stood in the way of that desire, if it meant she would succeed. Would that not make her like her mother?
 
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I agree with you, as would happen normally, but, now, let me poorly play devil's advocate for a moment.

Perhaps framing it as "bad" is incorrect. However, if we were to think of this in a certain way, it may hold true. Kazuha did everything she wanted to do, due to her desires; those desires sought out people's descent from happiness to misery. That's what made her the most happy. No action was deemed too crazy, unorthodox, nor unethical to get to those results. In a similar way, Yotsuba has done the same. Granted, it was from a completely unselfish desire, to see the one she loved happy, but she wasn't even against killing Uichi's parents or setting up anyone that stood in the way of that desire, if it meant she would succeed. Would that not make her like her mother?
no the f*ck NOT, you know that the people Yotsuha hurt were the ones that tormented Uichi and are related to him dying (offing himself), also thinking about taking out Uichi's parents is way different than actually drugging and raping a person only to get a kid and OF COURSE poisoning your husband and breaking your kid, and I'm mentioning things that she did directly, if we check what she pulled for the cult, it could be even worse sh!t, as she just wanted to get her daughter raped.
The mother saw people as butterfly that she could tear their wings for sh!t and giggles, Yotsuha never show something like that.
 
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Why do japanese people always write cult leader as this siper charismatic super powerful entity that can control everything. Like they are just people
??? Like they are a cult leader... Being super charismatic is a bit necessary, no? Power can be debated, but in the eyes of the cult following him or her, then yeah.
 
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Sim, já entendemos, ela é louca, e por algum motivo misterioso, ninguém reage, e esse cara sofreu tudo isso por anos, só para surtar num momento em que é conveniente para uma autora acabar com a vida dela, como se ela já não o tivesse destruído o suficiente, blá, blá, blá. Podemos seguir em frente? :nyoron:
Acho mesmo que este autor está a abusar do poder de choque da insanidade da mãe de Yotsuba.
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There's a pretty big reveal snuck in here. It's been assumed that the professor committed suicide because he found out about his illegitimate daughter (ch 80), but the mother said she didn't even introduce the FMC to her biological father yet. Also it doesn't make sense to send the hair and picture to the professor when the evil mom is obsessed with seeing someone's face fall apart in person. She's not so much into evil since it is just a means to an end, but she is into seeing faces of misery firsthand.

Which means the professor killed himself for a reason completely unrelated to the FMC. So did the FMC's bestie pursue years of revenge for what? A misunderstanding? Is she just evil too?
 
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We all know the mother, sorry, ovum's donor, was a psychotic bitch; but holy shit, waiting for your daughter to be gang raped, she's even worse than Gryffith. Is there a kid relevant to the story who had a normal childhood?
 
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There's a pretty big reveal snuck in here. It's been assumed that the professor committed suicide because he found out about his illegitimate daughter (ch 80), but the mother said she didn't even introduce the FMC to her biological father yet. Also it doesn't make sense to send the hair and picture to the professor when the evil mom is obsessed with seeing someone's face fall apart in person. She's not so much into evil since it is just a means to an end, but she is into seeing faces of misery firsthand.

Which means the professor killed himself for a reason completely unrelated to the FMC. So did the FMC's bestie pursue years of revenge for what? A misunderstanding? Is she just evil too?
I see it this way, she already send the proof, to torture him; but she wanted to make the annoucement as public as she can, but then the raped dad Finish(ed) him(self)! And then her plan was gone
 
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Because cult leaders tend to be, see Raelism or Aum Shinrikyo for examples.
Indeed, As the commenter who made this that I'm replying to said, the Aum Shinrikyo Cult (the ones behind the Sarin Gas Subway Attack in Tokyo back in 95) from what I remember, the leader was able to convert University Students, VERY Smart individuals which just goes to show that Genius does NOT make you invulnerable as in the end, it's about emotions and having a purpose...which sadly cults and gangs LOVE to target for their OWN purposes. But the fact they were that successful at recruiting these people (I know FOLK who have this "idea" that religion can't recruit or keep the truly genius and to that, I say they are IGNORANT fools not as smart as they want others to think cause again, Belief and Intelligence have LITTLE to do with each other. One can be a Super Genius and yet STILL be vulnerable to charismatic people because one thing that attracts people to the Charismatic is that "they come off as someone who KNOWS WHAT THEIR DOING OR HAS THEIR LIFE IN ORDER"

Fiction may make them UBER, but that's cause it's the writer UPING their normality times infinity for the sake of the story, but their is SOME realism in how far this crazy shit can reach and go! (Need I ALSO bring up the cult in South Korea that was connected to their first Female President "Park Geun-hye" scary how the cult already had their claws in her LONG before being the country's first female president even became a concept! She fucking was CHILDHOOD FRIENDS/Like Sisters with the leader at the time for god sake)

But to be honest, it's a cultural thing that I'm not so shocked to be honest! Asian Culture has largely had the "One for All" type mentality where you put the group over the many, so no surprise cults would be so big. Those with GREAT Charisma tend to be followed till something goes AGAINST that Charisma....and it's horrifying WHAT that "Limit" can be before someone "wakes up" and realize "this shit is crazy!" (You'd think the BASIC fucked up shit would get folk to go "Fuck this I'm out" but nah, some take some EXTREME shit to break out of the "sauce" as these charismatic folks are also the reason we have "don't drink the Kool-ai" dark joke after all)
 
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The heck are you on. Yotsuha is not a bad person. Would a bad person be able to willingly suffer and endure so much just to save and bring happiness to one person. Don't even think about comparing her to whatever evil that was her mother
Better to say Ruthless. But yeah Yotsuha isn't a bad person, in the end it's about CHOICE, and the EVIL with her mother NO scuse me "Egg Donor" is that the woman CHOSE to do evil out of INDULGING!

"That Thing's" sin is Gluttony! With how GREEDY she is for reactions to the point she will LITERALLY kick a dog simply cause the reaction of it in pain, whimpering and wondering WHY it got kicked would likely have her have a minor orgaism! That's scary!

Yotsuha however did her ruthless methods for the SAKE of Uchi seeing WHY she had to with how many of his victimizers NEEDED that level of ruthlessness and Scare to go the fuck away (ESPECIALLY that ONE "fake ass friend/creep" who tried to JUSTIFY how he and Yotsuha deserved to be together....because he was a single mother raised kid and she had no parent! AKA the logic was "he saw himself as BETTER then her, because he felt INFERIOR to everyone else ESPECIALLY Uchi for having "both parents" and really wanted to feel SUPERIOR! It's why I said had he GOT his wish for a relationship with Yotsuha, he was a fucking abuser waiting to happen with that MINDSET of "superiority" failing to realize a relationship was EQUAL, Not "Superior - Inferior!") but she never KILLED anyone!
 
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no the f*ck NOT, you know that the people Yotsuha hurt were the ones that tormented Uichi and are related to him dying (offing himself), also thinking about taking out Uichi's parents is way different than actually drugging and raping a person only to get a kid and OF COURSE poisoning your husband and breaking your kid, and I'm mentioning things that she did directly, if we check what she pulled for the cult, it could be even worse sh!t, as she just wanted to get her daughter raped.
The mother saw people as butterfly that she could tear their wings for sh!t and giggles, Yotsuha never show something like that.
I can't get where that shit the one you're replying to came up with!

Seriously I agree with you on your reply Knighto! The ones targeting Uichi were NOT great people! She acted and punished based on the level of KARMA that fit them (refering to that one boy who wanted to RESTART Uichi's bad reputation for his own advantage, in which case Yotsuha assured he instead was humilated and that was that, compared to the ASSHOLE who beat Uichi up, in which she made SURE she became an object for him to FEAR ON SIGHT, and she did handle herself with the witch who wanted SO HARD to seduce Uichi because she couldn't accept he "didn't actually like her/fell for her seduction and awakened her "M" side! And let's not for get that FAKE ASS POS from the early chapters, the "fake friend" who felt ENTITLED to Yotsuha because "She's an Orphan and he's a Single Mom raised guy, oh and Uichi deserved to be MISERABLE because he had BOTH parents!" like he thought "who raises you means anything" as shown with that one classmate who pointed out the insanity in his logic by NOTING he's ALSO from a Single Parent household and can't even FATHOM how the fool came up with his thought pattern!)

I'm shocked with all her resources that DEVIL that is Yotsuha's egg donor never looked into Uichi and target him just to "get reactions out of Yotsuha" as she sure had MORE resources then Fu has to do that! Yet she chose to ignore him!
 
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Holy fck

There are no words left to describe this woman, and I thought things couldn't get any worse

The new "sxual violence" tag is completely valid now :fml: :fml:
I mean we had MORE then enough BEFORE all this additional flashbacks to agree that bitch deserved to die. This was like her trying to make it to the BONUS ROUND of an event on how far she went trying to beat OTHER fictional villains in the "HATE SINK" olympics!
 

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