Tsuihou Sareta Renkinjutsushi-san, Saikyou no Dungeon wo Tsukurimasen ka? - Vol. 4 Ch. 36

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[lesseffective]

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Poor Tony, stuck in a world that sucks, regardless of who you are, and can't even be the MC so it could suck just a little bit less...

 

[kingdedede]

well there he goes LMAO. 1 trash down 1 trash to go

 

[kaminomikan]

damn it looks like RL.
hoping author gives the "hero" a proper death, with lots of regrets and despair.

 

[T-sama]

Poor Tony was born in the wrong manga

 

[StormSen]

IDK what "ideal" Tony is complaining about. Tony's ideal of a 'hero' just means 'someone who isn't a fraud'. And Allen isn't a fraud, he really does have power. Tony doesn't care about other people -- he uses other members of his team as tools -- he's just less stupid about it than Allen.

 

[Haru777]

I think Toni's motivations were a bit poorly explained. Because it sounds like his idea of a hero is a selfish ideology because he didnt want to stay a cattle farmer.

And sure its disappointing when you find out the truth, but he didnt do anything to change the system that promotes the lie of the hero. In fact hes using it. Sure he was a country bumpkin like he thought the other guy was, but Toni is also a fraud in that he killed and sacrificed people, and hes going to have to cover that up to be an "ideal hero".

This guy suuuuuucks.

 

[Darkshade13]

I think Toni's motivations were a bit poorly explained. Because it sounds like his idea of a hero is a selfish ideology because he didnt want to stay a cattle farmer.

And sure its disappointing when you find out the truth, but he didnt do anything to change the system that promotes the lie of the hero. In fact hes using it. Sure he was a country bumpkin like he thought the other guy was, but Toni is also a fraud in that he killed and sacrificed people, and hes going to have to cover that up to be an "ideal hero".

This guy suuuuuucks.

Everybody in this story sucks to some degree. And I think that's why I'm having a hard time maintaining my interest. It's hard to get into a story when there's nobody to root for. Even Rick, the actual protagonist, is kind of losing it with his morally dubious choices. He just get a built in excuse because apparently being a dungeon master blunts his sense of guilt and empathy and that's supposed to make it OK.

The only character who seemed entirely and legitimately decent is the cleric girl (Mary?) and that might just be because we haven't seen enough of her to find out that she eats babies or something gruesome like that.

 

[avefenixflames]

God, I hate when manga tries to give sympathetic backstories to irrelevant characters...

 

[Pilomotor]

A party member named Yurin and another party member named Eirin? I wonder if that ever got confusing.

 

[StormSen]

Seems like the guy called Yurin on pages 7, 8, 15, and 16 is instead called Eirin on page 17. Poor guy. The dungeon boss hit him so hard, even his name got mutilated.

Eiren is the black haired girl, the same Eiren who just got whacked by Allen in the last chapter. This chapter, she starts out with longer black hair and both eyes, then she loses one eye in the fight with the dungeon boss. Her recent depiction is with the eye patch and shorter black hair.

 

[StormSen]

Everybody in this story sucks to some degree. And I think that's why I'm having a hard time maintaining my interest. It's hard to get into a story when there's nobody to root for. Even Rick, the actual protagonist, is kind of losing it with his morally dubious choices. He just get a built in excuse because apparently being a dungeon master blunts his sense of guilt and empathy and that's supposed to make it OK.

The only character who seemed entirely and legitimately decent is the cleric girl (Mary?) and that might just be because we haven't seen enough of her to find out that she eats babies or something gruesome like that.

See the discussion last chapter regarding differences in Western vs JP idea of 'hero'.

 

[Pilomotor]

Eiren is the black haired girl, the same Eiren who just got whacked by Allen in the last chapter. This chapter, she starts out with longer black hair and both eyes, then she loses one eye in the fight with the dungeon boss. Her recent depiction is with the eye patch and shorter black hair.

Yep, I edited my comment before you posted your reply.

 

[Dantrig]

Allen's one to talk. He totally relies on Rick's potion. He's not strong he's just doped up.

 

[CountryMage]

He just get a built in excuse because apparently being a dungeon master blunts his sense of guilt and empathy and that's supposed to make it OK.

Has that actually been stated anywhere, because according to Allan that's always the way he's looked at people, like they are guinea pigs to be experimented on?

 

[Seetee]

Thank you for the translation!

Yeah, this chapter confused me. It was a bit hard to follow the flashback. But fortunately the comments here helped clear it up! Thank you everyone!

 

[StormSen]

Has that actually been stated anywhere, because according to Allan that's always the way he's looked at people, like they are guinea pigs to be experimented on?

As I recall... Early chapter, when he first kills humans, he notes that it's strange that he doesn't feel guilty. And I think there was some speculation by him or the dungeon spirit that the reason is his bonding with the dungeon.

 

[UncleKaos]

the source to tony's suffering is not the other Wannabe heroes. but the old man. HE and he alone did choose these monsters as heroes. nope. he is trying to kill the wrong person. he should have killed the old man instead.
but at least Tony did remove a heartless fraud.

and odd there is no an Anti hero warrior force whose purpose is to kill rogue heroes.

 

[Darkshade13]

See the discussion last chapter regarding differences in Western vs JP idea of 'hero'.

I get that. I know that what gets translated as "hero" isn't really the same as what the English word implies and is why some translators choose to use the word "brave" instead. It's also not really entirely the source of the problem. I'm fine with Allan being a dickhead. That trope of the asshole hero who incites the manga protag to be kicked out of the party and who is mostly an irredeemable twat meant for the audience to hate is fine and even if I think it's overused it serves a purpose.

My problem is that in any good story you need a character for your audience to sympathize with. Usually that's the protagonist but you can have an anti-hero or villain protagonist who doesn't get any connection to the audience and have the other characters be worthy of the reader/viewer's time or consideration.

But that's not happening here.

Rick has basically been molded into not blinking in the face of doing unscrupulous or unsavory things by being a dungeon master. He has some consideration for his former friends, but he also would likely not care too deeply if anyone he legit cared about ended up dead and he has said as much.

Allan is a complete bastard.

Tony, the wannabe replacement hero turns out to be no better either. His original apparent goal of being a proper hero after he was disillusioned by a previous one seems to have only made him into a hypocrite and highlights his self-interest and own ego.

The former party member that Rick is using in the fight, the tank guy, seemed nice, but is also naive and dumb as a sack of doorknobs and I guess he's dead and zombified now as a means to get around Tony's unique power?

The other alchemist in the hero party was an idiot and under his facade was a bit of a jerk.

The other current party members with Allan and Tony were nothing-burgers.

The only character that ever made me say "I like them" is Mary, the priest girl who was formerly in the hero party and who came and found Rick in the dungeon a while back. But I get the feeling that she is not destined for a big role here and if she is it'll probably end badly.

I dislike some of the characters as intended, but the other ones mostly seem to only get apathy from me. And it's been said that the absolute worst 8 words any writer can hear about their work is this: "I don't care what happens to these people."

I'm in too deep now to back out with 14 chapters to go unless something incredibly stupid happens and breaks me, but having read this exact story premise at least 8-10 times before in other "secretly powerful support guy gets kicked out of the hero party by the asshole hero who doesn't appreciate him" manga, I'm struggling to find something that hooks me in here the way it did in those other series.

Has that actually been stated anywhere, because according to Allan that's always the way he's looked at people, like they are guinea pigs to be experimented on?

He commented not long after he became the dungeon master that he knew he should feel guilt and sadness at the deaths of the parties that challenged his dungeon, but he just didn't. I don't think it was outright said, but it was strongly implied that becoming the dungeon master clamped down on those emotions in him so that he could do the job more effectively and without being fettered by negative reactions to doing what he needed to in order to survive.