Outo One Ope Golem Master. Masakano Tsuihou!? ~Jiyuu no mi ni Nattanode Deshi no Bijin Yuusha-tachi to Issho ni Saikyou Gouremu Tsukurimasu. Modotte …

[feha]

second time I read this chapter (is it old?), and still do not get how they supposed and agreed that he can unilaterally push a debt on someone who has no intent to agree to their loan.
If that was a thing, he would have done the same to his king already.

 

[Abricomas]

You're not wrong, Infact I agree with you.
It's just if we are going that deep into this puddle then we can't ignore what people used to do to moronic politicians and leaders of old, Heck ever heard of "Fragging"? Not that long ago many kids and young men with no education killed their commanding officers with a grenade because their stupidity would get them killed or worse.
Seems like these 2(heroes) do understand how bad a moronic leader can be and just ignore it. But maybe in the next chapters something will happen who knows.

Yeah, there would be many instances of fragging, and maybe even a revolution, because there isn’t much to stop demagogues from fomenting a revolution (with no better system ready to go, because as stated before, competent personnel are in short supply). Without grenades and guns, and going out on patrols where an “ambush” could happen and “tragically kill the LT”, killing a noble is harder. Especially as fragging in this case would imply someone under the command of a noble, who depends on that noble for their pay and livelihood, would have to be willing to give it all up.

I assume that it hasn’t happened yet simply because it hasn’t been that long since the superhuman workforce keeping the government running and competent stopped working, and as for the personal armies of the incompetent nobles, they’re still loyal to their paychecks.
The King of Diamente was already shown considering what to do with the incompetent nobles he was left with; my guess is a bloody purge before the citizenry can be riled up into a general revolt, and he can dangle the heads of “traitors” who he can use as scapegoats while he desperately tries to get a working bureaucracy with whatever personnel he can scrape together.

 

[Substitution]

This chapter is over 40 pages and is both pointless and has nothing happen in it.

 

[EnchainRaven]

Boring trope
Autority and Power is just the justification of violence its not a magical thing that can make people obey
as the libertarien say , you pay your taxe because of the treat of violence , if you dont pay arm people call "cops" will come to your house.

With a powerful hero you cant just force you autority because " you have to obey me , i have a noble title "

Blind obedience do not work on powerful people , even more wen they can destroy your contry single handedly

 

[ZaxaPac]

To paraphrase the late Bob Barker:

"Help control the moron population. Have your noble spayed or neutered."

 

[Abricomas]

I do wonder when the King of Diamente will do the pragmatic thing, and declare that women will be able to inherit households, and be able to join the bureaucracy.
Or will he purge and consolidate the property and wealth of the incompetent nobles first, then allow women into the workforce/upper nobility?

I can see benefits for either course, as well as the downsides of each.

 

[dephree]

For once, in a story like this I want a ruthless MC. Tear him to pieces, send the pieces back to his country with an ultimatum. These are the same people that saved the world. They can easily decimate a country when pushed hard but it's easier to go with the same trope every other chapter, huh.

 

[RandomUser]

Yeah, there would be many instances of fragging, and maybe even a revolution, because there isn’t much to stop demagogues from fomenting a revolution (with no better system ready to go, because as stated before, competent personnel are in short supply). Without grenades and guns, and going out on patrols where an “ambush” could happen and “tragically kill the LT”, killing a noble is harder. Especially as fragging in this case would imply someone under the command of a noble, who depends on that noble for their pay and livelihood, would have to be willing to give it all up.

I assume that it hasn’t happened yet simply because it hasn’t been that long since the superhuman workforce keeping the government running and competent stopped working, and as for the personal armies of the incompetent nobles, they’re still loyal to their paychecks.
The King of Diamente was already shown considering what to do with the incompetent nobles he was left with; my guess is a bloody purge before the citizenry can be riled up into a general revolt, and he can dangle the heads of “traitors” who he can use as scapegoats while he desperately tries to get a working bureaucracy with whatever personnel he can scrape together.

I think the historical equivalent for fragging nobles would be "tragic accidents" during impromptu "hunting trips", but that would still be between nobles.

 

[Abricomas]

I think the historical equivalent for fragging nobles would be "tragic accidents" during impromptu "hunting trips", but that would still be between nobles.

Yeah, but for that to happen, there has to be a tradition of hunting among the nobility, and for the nobles you want to get rid of to actually go on hunts. Something which may not happen because of the aforementioned deaths of the majority of competent men.

I mean, not only are the leaders incompetent, so are the regular people. The men who are left, who would be doing the fragging, are also dumb and lacking. If they weren’t, they would have been brainwashed by the Demon King or killed by her army of mind controlled men.

And I’ve been giving it some thought, but wouldn’t the competent women, those with the talent AND ambition to fill in the holes left by the Demon King’s mind control, already have been picked up by the Heroes organization?
The war raged for several years, so competent women would likely have been needed for frontline combat rather than rear echelon management.

This is a really interesting justification for the “corrupt idiot nobles” trope; the Demon King’s mind control wasn’t just a way for her to try to take over the world, it also was a way to, if she failed and was killed, leave her enemies burdened with a population of stupid and incompetent men at all strata of society.
Even if the author accidentally tripped over it, I find it interesting to consider.

 

[AppelJoosh]

Yeah, but for that to happen, there has to be a tradition of hunting among the nobility, and for the nobles you want to get rid of to actually go on hunts. Something which may not happen because of the aforementioned deaths of the majority of competent men.

I mean, not only are the leaders incompetent, so are the regular people. The men who are left, who would be doing the fragging, are also dumb and lacking. If they weren’t, they would have been brainwashed by the Demon King or killed by her army of mind controlled men.

And I’ve been giving it some thought, but wouldn’t the competent women, those with the talent AND ambition to fill in the holes left by the Demon King’s mind control, already have been picked up by the Heroes organization?
The war raged for several years, so competent women would likely have been needed for frontline combat rather than rear echelon management.

This is a really interesting justification for the “corrupt idiot nobles” trope; the Demon King’s mind control wasn’t just a way for her to try to take over the world, it also was a way to, if she failed and was killed, leave her enemies burdened with a population of stupid and incompetent men at all strata of society.
Even if the author accidentally tripped over it, I find it interesting to consider.

I definitely think you're overthinking this and the author never considered it, but I also really agree that the idea of the Demon King intentionally crippling her enemies past her death by taking out all the competent people on purpose is an interesting take on the idiot noble trope. Keep cooking.

 

[Abricomas]

This is a really interesting justification for the “corrupt idiot nobles” trope; the Demon King’s mind control wasn’t just a way for her to try to take over the world, it also was a way to, if she failed and was killed, leave her enemies burdened with a population of stupid and incompetent men at all strata of society.

Not only saddled with idiots, but the smart and competent men are the ones that are still brainwashed and will actively try to burn down the nations in the name of their dead mistress, and so you either have to kill them all or keep them locked up. And the people to hunt them down or guard them are the dumbest of your society, that the Demon King didn’t mind control because they were just that dumb and would do her more good staying in your nation to suck up resources and be a burden, than be cannon fodder in her own armies.

 

[CrazyChuck]

Yeah, there would be many instances of fragging, and maybe even a revolution, because there isn’t much to stop demagogues from fomenting a revolution (with no better system ready to go, because as stated before, competent personnel are in short supply). Without grenades and guns, and going out on patrols where an “ambush” could happen and “tragically kill the LT”, killing a noble is harder. Especially as fragging in this case would imply someone under the command of a noble, who depends on that noble for their pay and livelihood, would have to be willing to give it all up.

I assume that it hasn’t happened yet simply because it hasn’t been that long since the superhuman workforce keeping the government running and competent stopped working, and as for the personal armies of the incompetent nobles, they’re still loyal to their paychecks.
The King of Diamente was already shown considering what to do with the incompetent nobles he was left with; my guess is a bloody purge before the citizenry can be riled up into a general revolt, and he can dangle the heads of “traitors” who he can use as scapegoats while he desperately tries to get a working bureaucracy with whatever personnel he can scrape together.

tbh I used fragging as an example because I knew people still alive from when that happened. French revolution best revolution

Again I agree with what you are saying, Maybe the nobles are only being kept around like fat pigs for slaughter before the people, Maybe a side plot of Royalty increasing the grasp on the nobility due to their failings could happen. I just do not have faith in this manga to do anything deep, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[JJTheWeeb]

Maybe it’s because every competent noble is dead? As the Hero said, every person who got mindcontrolled by the Demon King never recovered, and they either have to be killed or put into permanent confinement and can’t ever be used in government. The Diamente Kingdom was able to endure being on the frontlines and losing every government official and noble by having all government functions centralized and performed by a workforce of utterly loyal, superhumanly efficient, incorruptible golems.

This world is one where many competent men are either dead, or so brainwashed that they are even worse, would actively bring down the nations in revenge for the death of the Demon King if they aren’t confined and isolated. The remaining men are either lucky, too young, or too old to have been drafted/kept secure from infiltrators, had to feign incompetence in order to not be targeted by the Demon King and her infiltrators, or are really just that useless.

Sure, maybe I’m putting too much thought into it, but the author has already had characters say that so many competent men sent against the Demon King got turned that they had to use a strictly women-only fighting force, and that even with the Demon King’s death, the mind control hasn’t been lifted.

rereading the manga, it's important to rembember the context of the situation:
in the last chapter, mc erased the kingdom's debt cause the king gave him something he wanted (he wasn't expecting a full debt clear, and the thing wasn't part of yhe initial agreement), the purpose of this was, not as decided by mc, but by fmc, that it'd help attract all the bad nobles who would try and do something to them after the fact.

so this is exactly what was supposed to happen based on the story beats.


edit: decided to just go to the group website to read the next chap: actually kinda like the resolution they gave to this scenario, it's a bit too "manga"y, but it's always fun to read these kinds of events

 

[ExchiEnjoyer]

This chapter was totally not rad dude

 

[sjmcc13]

Another tiring Trope of ""Some noble trying to piss the hero who saved the world and who also has the entire world leaders under her thumb"" despite knowing that she is the hero who saved the world and who also has the entire world under her thumb. Come on author, if you go for this trope at least make the noble have some trick on their sleeves where the Hero's title and the world leaders are muted and cant intervene, and not some direct to door approach.

He is a lustful entitled noble.
It is a trope because it happened.

He think the laws of their world will protect hjim, and enable him to do what he wants.

Thoughj what I am curious about is how does he have the country that are in indebted to him, considering how much debt all the naitons were in to the heroes???

 

[maxman14]

This just got really stupid and nonsensical. I'm considering dropping this manga.

 

[maxman14]

He is a lustful entitled noble.
It is a trope because it happened.

He think the laws of their world will protect hjim, and enable him to do what he wants.

Thoughj what I am curious about is how does he have the country that are in indebted to him, considering how much debt all the naitons were in to the heroes???

There are a thousand things you can bring up that don't make sense, like how is he able to charge into the private room of a foreign nation's princess? You'd be executed for that alone, and not even the nation he is from could complain.

 

[SuperBigMac]

You're not wrong, Infact I agree with you.
It's just if we are going that deep into this puddle then we can't ignore what people used to do to moronic politicians and leaders of old, Heck ever heard of "Fragging"? Not that long ago many kids and young men with no education killed their commanding officers with a grenade because their stupidity would get them killed or worse.
Seems like these 2(heroes) do understand how bad a moronic leader can be and just ignore it. But maybe in the next chapters something will happen who knows.

The main issue is that killing him, even after being provoked, will weaken their position as Hero(es) and Good Guys. He needs to do something so explicitly evil/stupid that they can kill him without repercussion, or else they could start another war, and see thousands of innocent strangers die in a senseless and wasteful "revenge" for the Ugly Bastard.

It's kind of a Give a Mouse a Cookie situation. You kill this Ugly Bastard, you'd have to kill every incompetent and/or evil noble in the Diamonte Kingdom, which would likely result in needing to kill all the competent and/or good nobles as well, and at that point the Hero is just another Demon Lord.


TLDR, it's a stupid plot point that was honestly unnecessary to bring up, especially so early in the story. Have this happen later on, when the MC and Hero(es) aren't around to instantly provide aid, and this could have been something instead of a nothingburger.

 

[WillTell]

I understood nothing the dumb was simply too strong for me, I've been defeated reading through the comments just confused me more.
Anyway, enough of this manga for me, the author's trying too hard to write something smarter than them.

 

[zenprime]

This series seemed like it was pulling itself together, but it has just taken the highway straight back to nonsense town. Going to stick around a little longer, but only for the drama of a possible trainwreck really.