Destiny Unchain Online: Kyuuketsuki Shoujo to Natte, Yagate 'Aka no Maou' to Yobareru You ni Narimashita - Vol. 10 Ch. 85 - Under the Big Onion

[MangaDex]

 

[AnotherDuck]

"Aren't they too old to get excited over that?"

Never. Thinking that just means you just follow the script because you've forgotten what it means to be mature.

"Don't they have anything better to do?"

Don't you have anything better to do than to belittle people having fun because you don't?

Controlling mum.

Being able to move the flag is a bit unique.

 

[Substitution]

The gossip girls are objectively and inarguably correct.

That's what makes it hurt.

 

[Wolvenworks]

I hate condescending ppl who think games are for kids. Those same guys usually also thinks anime is only for kids.

And these fucks will defo complain like the banal bitches they are once they see more mature games & anime

 

[Serverclosed]

She's hot.

 

[Skater901]

"You've felt distant lately" gee maybe it's because you keep shit talking the things she really enjoys.

I'd love to know what the important things are that she's supposed to be focusing on instead of games. Are adults just not supposed to have fun... ?

 

[Nolonar]

The gossip girls are objectively and inarguably correct.

That's what makes it hurt.

No, they are objectively and inarguably wrong.

Saying that games are a waste of time implies there's anything that isn't a waste of time. If so, what would that be? Waking up every morning to go to work, then go back home to sleep?

Certainly, that would seem like a productive use of your time from society's point of view. But then what? You overwork yourself and die? Is that our definition of being productive?

There's a reason why breaks and holidays exist. There's a reason why entertainment exists. If games are a waste of time, what about movies, music, or even manga? People who call games a waste of time are just bigots.

How about we just enjoy what we enjoy and let other people do the same, yeah? We're all "adults" here after all.

 

[daffy]

daym... Bianca 🥵🥵🥵

 

[Substitution]

You're very confused. You start out by saying "Actually, everything is a waste of time." Then go on to talk about how you believe rest and relaxation isn't a waste of time. A contradiction followed by empty, thoughtless words.

We know from her conversation with her mother that she is neglecting the responsibilities everyone is born with, and she even agrees if you keep reading the updates.

Saying everything is a waste of time is comical but it is also just agreeing with the gossip girls and the mother that gaming is a waste of time.

Thank you for agreeing that they are objectively and inarguably correct.

Saying that games are a waste of time implies there's anything that isn't a waste of time.

 

[Nolonar]

You're very confused.

You need a mirror.

You start out by saying "Actually, everything is a waste of time."

I did not. Read my post again. Slowly.

My words were: "if thing A is a waste of time, then there must exist a thing B that isn't." Setting aside whether you agree with that statement or not (I'll simply assume you do), can you quote the part where I claim that thing B doesn't exist?

You can't, because as you so cleverly noted:

Then go on to talk about how you believe rest and relaxation isn't a waste of time.

Technically, I went on to propose something that people might objectively agree is said thing B, namely "work". This then served as my basis for claiming that rest and relaxation, and by extension games, aren't a waste of time.

You see, the least you could do when claiming to be "objectively and inarguably correct" is to define what does or doesn't constitute a waste of time.

That said, your choice of the word "believe" implies you disagree with my statement that rest and relaxation isn't a waste of time. Here's a source to back up my claim:

The truth is, rest and relaxation are vital to well-being. Chronic stress negatively affects nearly every aspect of mental and physical health, even contributing to higher risks for chronic disease and premature death.

I don't know about you, but "premature death" sounds like the biggest waste of time there is. After all, you're literally throwing away everything you've learned and experienced, as well as everything you could've potentially produced, achieved, or left behind.

A contradiction

And where do you see a contradiction?

• games are a subset of rest and relaxation
• rest and relaxation isn't a waste of time
• games aren't a waste of time

If A (games) is B (rest and relaxation), and B (rest and relaxation) is C (not a waste of time), then A (games) is also C (not a waste of time).

It's called transitivity, something most people learn around the age of 12. It's literally basic logic.

followed by empty, thoughtless words.

Those who live in glass houses... I'm sure you know the rest.

We know from her conversation with her mother that she is neglecting the responsibilities everyone is born with,

Which are...?

I'll leave this as an exercise to you, lest you accuse me of being confused again. At least try and put some substance and thoughts into your words.

and she even agrees if you keep reading the updates.

So?

According to the reaction scores here, 100% of people who reacted to our posts disagree with you and agree with me. But to say that is proof of anything would be an argumentum ad populum.

Regardless of whether she does or doesn't agree, surely you can do better than "these random fictional characters said so, therefore it's true", yes?

And before you argue that Bianca isn't a "random character", she's hardly an authority on "objective wastes of time". We don't even see any of her reasoning beyond "you get really busy when you grow up", which is true, but irrelevant. Having other priorities does not make something a waste of time. Just because someone prioritizes money and survival doesn't mean marrying and having kids is a waste of time, after all.

Saying everything is a waste of time is comical but it is also just agreeing with the gossip girls and the mother that gaming is a waste of time.

True, but the premise is flawed, as I explained earlier.

Thank you for agreeing that they are objectively and inarguably correct.

Thank you for contributing nothing meaningful whatsoever to this argument. I hope you do better next time.

 

[Daviot]

You're very confused. You start out by saying "Actually, everything is a waste of time." Then go on to talk about how you believe rest and relaxation isn't a waste of time. A contradiction followed by empty, thoughtless words.

We know from her conversation with her mother that she is neglecting the responsibilities everyone is born with, and she even agrees if you keep reading the updates.

Saying everything is a waste of time is comical but it is also just agreeing with the gossip girls and the mother that gaming is a waste of time.

While I don't much like Satre, the concept that Nolonar is poking at is positive nihilism or to quote Jean-Paul, "All human activities are equivalent and all are on principle doomed to failure." Or as Tolkien put it, "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."

Each of us gets to make our own decisions about how we spend our time; there will always be consequences for our choices, and some people will inevitably disagree, but so long as something isn't illegal, it is not their right or place to dictate what we must or must not do. Liberty is agency.

Thank you for agreeing that they are objectively and inarguably correct.

Weirdly toxic and bizarre.

 

[Substitution]

According to the reaction scores here, 100% of people who reacted to our posts disagree with you and agree with me.

To make this simpler, I am sorry as I misunderstood your original post. In my defense, it was written poorly and the first paragraph implies something completely different than what you meant. I am sorry I hurt you and hope you'll forgive me and forget later.

On to a small response:

While your diatribe is long. I find that cutting my post into many pieces in order to misinterpret and invent random imaginary thought lines for desperate attempts at insult to be uninteresting.

I will instead try and clarify for you how much I mind when hurt people give me reactions or hurt people make long insult posts towards me:

Uncomfortable things only cause discomfort when there is an element of truth to them.
In fact, that's why I myself said

That's what makes it hurt.

In response to the truth conveyed in the manga:

I expected other hurt people who shared my feelings to give negative reaction emotes lashing out before I even made the original post. And they did. Hit dogs holler. To me they are my sisters in this.

People were so upset by the mirror of themselves that they summoned moderation.

It's hard to holler louder than that...

 

[Nolonar]

While your diatribe is long. I find that cutting my post into many pieces in order to misinterpret and invent random imaginary thought lines for desperate attempts at insult to be uninteresting.

Ad hominem. Instead of explaining where you think I was wrong, you desperately attempt to disregard my entire argumentation by calling it an insult. Which is ironic, considering you're the one who first resorted to insults with "empty, thoughtless words".

Your bad faith arguments are what's uninteresting. This is already your third post and we still don't know your definition of what is an "objective waste of time", nor why games qualify for it. You even fail to elaborate on those "responsibilities everyone is born with".

Uncomfortable things only cause discomfort when there is an element of truth to them.
In fact, that's why I myself said

That's what makes it hurt

In response to the truth conveyed in the manga:

I expected other hurt people who shared my feelings to give negative reaction emotes lashing out before I even made the original post. And they did. Hit dogs holler. To me they are my sisters in this.

People were so upset by the mirror of themselves that they summoned moderation.

It's hard to holler louder than that...

Red herring. While this argument may be true, it is irrelevant, as nobody is questioning it.

Here's a reminder of what is being questioned:
You: The gossip girls are objectively and inarguably correct.

Me: No, they are objectively and inarguably wrong.

Again, I hope you do better next time.

 

[arknight38]

I completely agree with Nolonar on this one. The girls are simply wrong. Calling games a "waste of time" only makes sense if you can point to something that isn't a waste of time. Which Nolanar pointed out earlier (and you kindly ignored) It's also impossible to define objectively if you haven't noticed.

Everything we do only has value if we assign it value, we don't (or rather shouldn't) just grind life day in and day out until we die. The idea that only “productive” activities matter is a very narrow, outdated way of seeing the world.

Additionally addressing your idea of abandoning "responsibilities everyone is born with." (which you also conveniently forgot to add) Because if we’re talking about being a functional adult, one of those responsibilities should include taking care of your own mental health.

The idea that gaming detracts from your ability to be a functioning member of society is, to put it nicely, bs. Plenty of people I know, including my (on the older side) parents, play games. Saying that playing games is a waste of time would be comparable to saying that playing golf, watching sports, and gardening is a waste of time.

The funniest part is that, after all this, you still haven’t defined what “waste of time” even means, or explained why games uniquely qualify as one. All you’ve done is rely on vague moral language to make yourself sound correct. That’s not an argument, that’s just posturing.

When you’re ready to actually define your terms and argue in good faith, then maybe we can have a discussion worth reading.

 

[AnotherDuck]

People were so upset by the mirror of themselves that they summoned moderation.

No. I use that reaction for people who spread lies that attempt to hurt others and drag them down.

I've stayed out of the discussion because the others have done a good job explaining why you're wrong, but since you decided to go for personal attacks, I'm going to put it into text. Don't project your insecurities upon others. Those are nothing but empty assumptions.

 

[RougeGrail]

Well... That explains why she's toxic...

 

[Lelouchezero]

The gossip girls are objectively and inarguably correct.

That's what makes it hurt.

The gossip girls are wrong because the only person who can assign value to time is the person using the time itself. Just because a few empty headed people in society deem it a "waste of time" means the equivalent of nothing in the grand scheme of things. Humans get around 60-80 years in life before they become fertilizer for the world and I feel more people would be better served doing things they love and want to do then doing what society tells them they "should be" doing. You shouldn't be playing games all the time...maybe.. but at the same time to disregard gaming as a way of entertainment and relaxation because "it's for kids" is the most ignorant and wrong headed way of thinking you can possibly get.
What makes their statement hurt is belittling someones hobbies or disregarding them entirely is hurtful period. If you went to a person who loved reading and said "why are you reading books that's such a waste of time you can just watch a video and get all the information from the book that way" I'd be willing to bet they'd be hurt too. And may in fact hit you with said book in the face. Don't knock a persons hobbies. That just makes you a shitty human being.

 

[ThatRabidPotato]

There is nothing wrong with spending your free time playing games. Unless doing so actively takes time away from your spouse and children, but even then, if you're clever you can find a way to make gaming an activity you can enjoy with all of them.

 

[Substitution]

There is nothing wrong with spending your free time playing games. Unless doing so actively takes time away from your spouse and children, but even then, if you're clever you can find a way to make gaming an activity you can enjoy with all of them.

Nothing, other than the tremendous negative effects on your mental state and behavior.

Just a few quick, minor, omnipresent things:

1. Addiction leading to dopamine and serotonin dependence, usually leads to Physical fitness and coordination and overall heart and brain health decreasing.

2. Underside of frontal lobe shrinking, leading to mood instability

3. Prefrontal lobe (the center of all human thought) activity decreasing leading to aggression, anxiety, and even worse mood instability and impulse control.
-(Losing the impulse control helps you play an even more reckless amount of gaming)

4. Rostral anterior cingulate cortex and amygdala activity decreasing, hampering the ability to solve emotional distress.

5. Problems with attention span for non-Game tasks. (Honestly this one is probably just the addiction/withdrawal one restated.)

6. Unlike most other tasks, Gaming is designed by psychologists to maximally activate the brains reward center, leading to the most rapid change in brain wiring. So any negative is significantly more negative than it normally would be from other negative behaviors.

7. These above are normally targeted at vulnerable and developing demographics for optimal marketing.

All that above without even talking about the negative social and developmental effects.

The main issue is that if you bring it up, well, addicts are very defensive of their addictions.

I've never seen a smoker dishonest about their vices. But from the earlier replies here the average gamer is usually less self-aware about their bad habits.

That's why I had a crazed person here screaming that actually smoking has nothing to do with lung cancer, then inventing a bunch of stuff no one said and getting mad about it.


You mentioned bringing your family into it. Don't do that. Nintendo used to recommend a minimum of 9 years of age for any video game, but even that was low because it was from the perspective of a business that did not care about a childs well-being over making money.

 

[ThatRabidPotato]

Nothing, other than the tremendous negative effects on your mental state and behavior.

Just a few quick, minor, omnipresent things:

1. Addiction leading to dopamine and serotonin dependence, usually leads to Physical fitness and coordination and overall heart and brain health decreasing.

2. Underside of frontal lobe shrinking, leading to mood instability

3. Prefrontal lobe (the center of all human thought) activity decreasing leading to aggression, anxiety, and even worse mood instability and impulse control.
-(Losing the impulse control helps you play an even more reckless amount of gaming)

4. Rostral anterior cingulate cortex and amygdala activity decreasing, hampering the ability to solve emotional distress.

5. Problems with attention span for non-Game tasks. (Honestly this one is probably just the addiction/withdrawal one restated.)

6. Unlike most other tasks, Gaming is designed by psychologists to maximally activate the brains reward center, leading to the most rapid change in brain wiring. So any negative is significantly more negative than it normally would be from other negative behaviors.

7. These above are normally targeted at vulnerable and developing demographics for optimal marketing.

All that above without even talking about the negative social and developmental effects.

The main issue is that if you bring it up, well, addicts are very defensive of their addictions.

I've never seen a smoker dishonest about their vices. But from the earlier replies here the average gamer is usually less self-aware about their bad habits.

That's why I had a crazed person here screaming that actually smoking has nothing to do with lung cancer, then inventing a bunch of stuff no one said and getting mad about it.


You mentioned bringing your family into it. Don't do that. Nintendo used to recommend a minimum of 9 years of age for any video game, but even that was low because it was from the perspective of a business that did not care about a childs well-being over making money.

A bunch of nonsense, and that's being polite. Playing video games does not damage your brain.