Kaya-chan wa Kowakunai - Vol. 8 Ch. 45 - Mama is not scary

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People siding with Mirai are kinda... immature I think. Neither side are in the right, both are wrong for not talking to the other because ultimately this is a breakdown of communication from both sides. Nana and their mother are in the wrong for just not outright telling her to not follow the traditions of their family. Mirai is in the wrong for assuming they wanted her to follow the traditions of their family simply because she read the diary of Aunt Yoshie. If Mirai had even tried to tell anyone outside of the family about what she had found it, they would have pointed out that it's strange how neither Nana nor her mother had ever mentioned the Womb-sama things and that Aunt Yoshie comes off as a zealot. The family is in the wrong but the family had already been dismantled from within with Nana originally being the last priestess which makes Mirai's actions even more adominable. She made assumptions and acted upon them without consulting in others and will kill a great deal of innocents including her own daughter
 
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I actually think keeping her from the truth was the way to go. How would Mirai ever trust Mutsu if she had disclosed that they were the ones who took Yoshie away from her? Would you really trust that a person who went through with doing such a vile procedure to someone close enough to you that you consider them your true mother, even if it was conditioned through tradition, had a change of heart?

The one thing you can knock her for is their treatment of Mirai afterwards, I don't think treating her basically as a stranger was the way to go. They should've done more for her even if it meant risking her getting attached to the family. Because then Mirai might've been able to trust Mutsu even after she accidentally stumbles upon the truth.
 
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Overall, people siding with Mirai are kind of forgetting that she's in a middle of a massive murder suicide plot that includes killing her own daughter for a crime of being born Ebisumori. Yes, she suffered a lot, but let's be real, she's the one to keep shoving herself in the harm's way to try to kill her family instead of taking her chance to drop it all and enjoy her own family.

I mean, neglect is a good reason to cut off your family once you are independent, but not to try to murder your estranged family as whole.
 
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That's smart, the author used a fellow child who was outcasted to, even a little bit, get through to kaya's mum.

Question is how are they going to fully stop her? The conviction and victimisation she feels is super deep, and traumatising, even if her mother did it to try to not kill her.

I can't imagine nothing short of a miracle, or Kaya cleansing her baby sibling?

Ty for the tl.🙂‍↕️
 
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Are... are we not supposed to side with the mother? Cause i'm really siding with the mother. It's really hard to believe "no, really, we wanted you to leave and not be subjected to it, trust us"...
"Trust me sis, I know this has been going on for like a gorillion generations but mom really was all about saving you fr fr"
Even if it turns out to be true, you really can't blame her for not believing them.
Well, the issue isn't Mirai going no contact, it's her deciding to become the cursed womb out of her own will to kill her whole family. Can't blame her for not believing them, can absolutely blame her for how she plans on dealing with it.

Speaking logically, Mirai had already escaped and started her own independent life, before dragging herself back into this occult mess by trying to birth the curse with Kaya. In fact, if Mirai didn't fuck around forbidden magic, Kaya would have been just a normal little girl, so you can't even blame any bloodline curse for keeping Mirai in the deadly game.
 
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Yes, no, Mirai is right : SHUT THE FUCK UP, NANA !!!

You're not the one who had to deal with the years of neglect and bullying : just because it was meant to be "out of love", Mirai still suffered genuine hurt and trauma !! No matter how much you pretend you cared, you still got the easy part out of it !! Also, fuck that Old Hag too : she choses the easy way out in the end to let everybody else deal with the consequences of her actions. spits

Really hard to not root for Mirai getting her revenge... the only thing I can't get behind is Kaya getting pulled into this, honestly, otherwise, I would gladly procure her some fuel to make the clan burn faster !!
I wouldn't call dying to shield your daughter from your other daughter's murder plan an easy way out. She died a horrible, painful death protecting one daughter from another.

It's this insane desire to pretend that the people who are abusing you actually love you, and are doing it for your own good.

(Same trope that we get in some of the "kicked from the party" stories.)

Grandma could have simply raised the girl with love; then when she was old enough explained things to her, and make it clear that she's working to end this sick family dynamic. But instead we get the "emotionally abused because I loved you" story.
Nobody's defending the old hag, but that doesn't justify the shit Mirai is pulling out. Think about it outside the fancy paranormal context - Mirai is committing a murder suicide over parental neglect. What's more, she is already treating her own children worse than her mother treated her. Grandma fucked up trying and failing to resolve generations of violent shit in her family, but she was ultimately less fucked up than her own mother. Mirai, on the other hand, is doing her best to become the worst.
 
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Sorry this took a while, I made an oopsie while copying files around and overwrote the Photoshop files for this chapter so I had to restart from scratch.
Ooof. Thanks for pulling double duty for this one. :aquadrink:
This chapter was interesting in that Namu has just as much reason to hate the Ebisumoris as Mirai for having him similarly ousted, forcibly committed & medicated, and driven to suicide but for meeting Mob-san. Still, he came in clutch to save Kaya-chan.

The author has done a very good job of painting Mirai as a sympathetic villain (her comments about feeling like a cultivated plant really struck me). IMO either Kaya-chan herself or Mirai's husband Shizuo will have to be the key characters to talk Mirai down as they are the ones that love her most and represent the symbolic break from the warped Ebisumori family of old she was raised in, and the loving new Sato family she found for herself.
 
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I wouldn't call dying to shield your daughter from your other daughter's murder plan an easy way out. She died a horrible, painful death protecting one daughter from another.


Nobody's defending the old hag, but that doesn't justify the shit Mirai is pulling out. Think about it outside the fancy paranormal context - Mirai is committing a murder suicide over parental neglect. What's more, she is already treating her own children worse than her mother treated her. Grandma fucked up trying and failing to resolve generations of violent shit in her family, but she was ultimately less fucked up than her own mother. Mirai, on the other hand, is doing her best to become the worst.
Thanks for the upload, my weekend needed the pickup.
Well this would be Mirai's second attempt at a murder suicide considering the only thing that ended up stopping her first attempt and lead to her daughter actually being alive at this point was her mom's whoopsie going down a flight of stairs at her home. It should be taken into account that Mirai's firstborn child and Mirai even being alive at this point is the result of both gravity and an accident. Which goes to show that once again Sir Isaac Newton discovery when paired with stairs is bane to not just Charles Xavier, Zoro's development as a child, but to as well disturbed individuals that after finding out what happened to their beloved mother figures decide the best way to honor their memory or get justice for them is to go through weaponizing their own womb twice because attempting to leave her husband a widow twice and going out like Yoshie did will make everything right.
I actually think its awesome that this chapter is sparking so much conversation in this thread it shows the mangaka has done a great job in fleshing out the situation and the characters.
Though I wonder how if the husband finds out what is going on her how he will respond with knowing that on some level Mirai did view him as a sperm donor on two separate occasions at least and will he question how she truly felt about him considering what her end game involved. I know this series is initially meant for a younger audience but seeing a future arc handle a supernaturally instigated divorce and custody battle could be interesting and how the teacher would interact with that situation. Though considering how useful the husband has been so far, and while I do hope for a happy ending, I'm fully expecting either a handwave level of forgiveness which after all of this will be awkward and frustrating to a small degree or he will be completely treated like a fungus and left out of the loop.
I'm also happy the cousin was able to extract himself from the situation and get some closure. I fully picture him saying Mutsu's last words in a sarcastic tone before he attempted to drive off. I loved that he didn't even try to free Nana after he saved Kaya he simply passed on the message and is allowing the sisters to hash it out themselves regardless how well that may turn out.
Another thing if Mutsu's "save Mirai from being Yoshie'd" plan is legit did that mean she also intentionally gave birth to Nana early in order to nerf her powers as well? Also do you think it will be elaborated on if this the first time a womb-sama got reloaded for a second shot? I know someone earlier in the thread did the math and this has likely been going on for around 100ish years but even in the early 1900s, and not to be to crass, miscarriages were still a thing what did the Ebisumoris do to womb-samas that survived a failed arming and detonation attempt? I mean true I can see the mangaka not addressing such a morbid bit of exposition on a let's be real foot note matter but still its interesting to think if they had a protocal for such situations.
Furthermore shouldn't they have put more effort into securing and hiding Yoshie's journal in the first place? If they were trying to shield Mirai from the truth until they could drive her away you'd think they'd do a better job, considering her attachment to Yoshie, keeping it away from the worst possible person to get a hold of it....but at the same time if we're going to question that and considering the amount of duress Mirai had been exposed to during her upbringing and afterwards.... we should also question why didn't she just call the police on her abusive family with their vile practices that go back generations and show them the journal as evidence?....Did she consider that to not be as conclusive and efficient or make as powerful of a statement as engaging in some revenge driven uterus weaponization herself?
 
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Whhhheeeewwwwwwwwwww. Well. What a fine mess this whole clan put these women in, over and over and over again. I wonder if for grandma, it was one thing to 'know' your sister, who spent so much time with your kids, was for this.... another thing to see it. Let alone her kid.

Did she then mishandle like every part of the result. Oh god yes but I'm not really sure what elegant exit you'd have if this whole stupid system was your whole world your whole life.

Poor kiddos. Go Ojisan tho.
 
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Still hate what Kaya's mom is doing but she's so fucking right. She went through isolation from her family and outside. She basically had no one until her husband. Nana and the others had each other.

She was basically all alone most of her life. Fuck that "we did it to protect you" bs. Grandma could have learnt to say sorry herself
Someone already laid out everything above but I'm going to give my 2 cent.
Everything should be a secret kept from kaya's mom so she won't get crazy and can live her life like normal person, they didn't know that kaya's mom knew the womb curse practice until grandma saw kaya is possessed by hiruko herself.
I know getting bullied and isolated is bad but it's not like the other party doesn't suffer if not suffer more than mirai. After yoshie became the head of the family she finally have a power to stop the practice but she can't stop her sister from dying because she's already brainwashed so much by previous generation.

The "why not just tell her everything? " Have so many different outcome they don't want to take the risk on it. For example like the worse case scenario, let's say everyone is good to mirai and they tell her everything since young age but later her aunt convince her to became the womb-sama and continue the brainwashing tradition and basically foiled yoshie plan to get her out of ebisumori family.

Keeping her in the dark and slowly drove her away from the family I felt like it's the best option for such fucked up family. Just to remind everyone, namu also get bullied,led to terrible live and everyone think he's crazy. Guy almost commit suicide but he decide trying to end ebisumori curse without harming anyone.
 
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Someone already laid out everything above but I'm going to give my 2 cent.
Everything should be a secret to keep Maya's mom from going crazy, they didn't know that kaya's mom knew the womb curse practice until grandma saw kaya is possessed by the curse womb.
I know like get bullied is bad but it's not like the other party doesn't suffer if not suffer more than mirai. After yoshie became the head of the family she finally have a power to stop the practice but she can't stop her sister from dying because she's already brainwashed so much by previous generation.

The "why they didn't tell her everything? " Have so many different outcome they don't want to take the risk for. For example like the worse case scenario, let's say everyone is good to mirai and they tell her everything since young age but later her aunt convince her to became the womb-sama and continue the brainwashing tradition and basically foiled yoshie plan to get her out of ebisumori family.

Keeping her in the dark and slowly drove her away from the family I felt like it's the best option for such fuck up family. Remember, namun also get bullied hard but he's trying to end ebisumori curse without harming anyone.
It was fundamentally a matter of trying to dismantle multiple generations long cult with supernatural powers from the inside, and seeing how the system works now, there is no reason to suspect that Mirai's mom was even the one running things when her aunt killed herself with the cursed womb technique. Based on who is the current head of the family, this implied that Mirai's aunt sacrificed herself on orders of Mirai's grandma, not Mirai's mom.

Also, based on all the horrible shit that happened when Mirai learned the truth, it's hard to blame her mother for trying to keep her away from the skeletons in the family closet, even if she fumbled the execution of it. We have to separate intent from the results a bit, since Mirai's mom objectively speaking fucked up hard, but was also trying to essentially take down one of the two pillars of her whole clan for sake of her daughter's survival.

Then again, the horror that Mirai unleashed based on the knowledge of the curse is enough to make the secrecy and alienation if not justified, than at least defensible.
 
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Are... are we not supposed to side with the mother? Cause i'm really siding with the mother. It's really hard to believe "no, really, we wanted you to leave and not be subjected to it, trust us"...
It bears worth remembering that she WAS GOING TO KILL HER ENTIRE FAMILY USING KAYA as a Hiruko-sama and only stopped because she messed up at the last minute. Now that she's trying for round 2 she's DEAD SET ON KILLLING HER OWN CHILD just to get revenge. Mirai lost it the day she learned the truth about Yoshie's death. She had never intended to live a life away from the family. It was always her intent to KILL EVERYONE, even when she first met her husband.
 
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It was fundamentally a matter of trying to dismantle multiple generations long cult with supernatural powers from the inside, and seeing how the system works now, there is no reason to suspect that Mirai's mom was even the one running things when her aunt killed herself with the cursed womb technique. Based on who is the current head of the family, this implied that Mirai's aunt sacrificed herself on orders of Mirai's grandma, not Mirai's mom.

Also, based on all the horrible shit that happened when Mirai learned the truth, it's hard to blame her mother for trying to keep her away from the skeletons in the family closet, even if she fumbled the execution of it. We have to separate intent from the results a bit, since Mirai's mom objectively speaking fucked up hard, but was also trying to essentially take down one of the two pillars of her whole clan for sake of her daughter's survival.

Then again, the horror that Mirai unleashed based on the knowledge of the curse is enough to make the secrecy and alienation if not justified, than at least defensible.
I think the one shining light is that whatever cult worshipers the Ebisumori once had to support Mutsu and her family are no longer around. Mutsu and Nana really did everything they could to collapse the cult in order to leave Mirai a chance to leave, huh? Actually, WHO did Yoshie have killed? We never see any of the Ebisumori cult, did Mutsu eradicate all the branch families just to ensure a clean slate for Mirai?

Honestly, if there's any way at all for Mirai to be saved, it's for her to truly understand the depths of sin Mutsu drowned herself in to protect her own children. Even then, Mirai's already drenched in Mutsu's blood, it's hard to say she should be allowed a third chance at freedom when she's thrown it away twice before.
 
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Oh boy, nothing beats a misunderstanding to describe how dysfunctional asian family is 😂. Ngl this kind of discussion always boils down to the old generation who refuse to explain shit even if its for your own good and new generation who got traumatized and just want an explanation
 
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I think the one shining light is that whatever cult worshipers the Ebisumori once had to support Mutsu and her family are no longer around. Mutsu and Nana really did everything they could to collapse the cult in order to leave Mirai a chance to leave, huh? Actually, WHO did Yoshie have killed? We never see any of the Ebisumori cult, did Mutsu eradicate all the branch families just to ensure a clean slate for Mirai?

Honestly, if there's any way at all for Mirai to be saved, it's for her to truly understand the depths of sin Mutsu drowned herself in to protect her own children. Even then, Mirai's already drenched in Mutsu's blood, it's hard to say she should be allowed a third chance at freedom when she's thrown it away twice before.
Yeah. It's really worth mentioning that the big and powerful Ebisumori cult is seemingly nowhere to be found at this point, suggesting that Mutsu and Nana did indeed dissolved or at least mostly dissolved it.

My speculation about Yoshie is that her death wasn't ordered by Mutsu but by their mother. The priestesses seem to keep their authority into quite an old age after all.

Also, I do agree that Mirai really did fuck up a lot and that she does bear responsibility for her mother's death. That and the fact that she already had a plenty of chances to turn back already.
 
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Before anyone started typing anything rash like some of the earlier comments, please reconsider the fact that Mirai (Kaya's mom) is trying to commit genocide on her own family, by using her unborn child, twice. I'll give my piece later but for now lets break down the contexts that a bunch of commenters (me included yey) did a few months back then.

About the Ebisumori house, the priestess's power mostly come from the first psychic in the past, and every first child being born in that house will be a girl and retain the power of the first psychic, with Namu being an exception since he was from the branch house (which might have mixed with a male psychic at some point back in the day, but it's just a theory)

The story we have so far involve 3 generations of the Ebisumori house, from the 6th to the 8th, these are what we have thought off so far.
As per tradition, the first born Mutsu will be the head while Yoshi will be "brainwashed" to be the cursed womb bearer, Mutsu cannot stop this since she was too young back then and has no power to go against the other adult, especially her mother. Even though she was homeschooled, she was aware of how messed up this tradition was and decided to lay low until she became the head to start wiping this tradition off then have her house fade into obscurity, effectively trying to turn her house into a normal household we see in modern time.

She started this with giving birth to her first child Nana prematurely so the power will get weaken, which she might have planned for Nana to also give birth to a child later with the same method to dilute the power even further, then have her second child named Mirai (also mean Future) and with how bright and curious child she was, I'd say it was Mutsu's hope and dream of having Mirai be the lead for Ebisumori's changing image, by not making her the cursed womb bearer and have her out in the society. It failed however as we have seen, she steeled her heart after Yoshi's sacrifice and appeared cold to her child, at one point Mirai left and started a family of her own just like Mutsu wanted, but after meeting Kaya things changed for the worse.

As for Yoshi, she was spared of being a cursed womb bearer for as long as possible thanks to Mutsu, from what I've read the reason she get to live with the main house in peace was mostly thanks to Mutsu, but at one point something happened and it forced Yoshi to make a cursed womb, later passed away after the curse succeed to attack someone we have no info on yet.

She was the one who spent the most time with the Nana-Mirai siblings since Mutsu seemingly have to deal with those who were trying to stop her plan on ending the psychic's bloodline in the Ebisumori house. She seem fine on the outside but there must be times where she could have been crashing out seeing Mirai having no idea about the cursed womb bearer after so long since she was "educated" in the old Ebisumori's way, she ended up writing it out in one of the book she used for the longest time, the "Maternal and Child Health Handbook" which Mirai dug out later.

Despite being the possibly worst psychic/priestess ever born into the Ebisumori because she was born prematurely, Nana can still see ghosts, evil spirits and need ways to deal with them, which then Mutsu taught her everything, all by herself, even as far as telling her about the plan on ending the psychic bloodline while leaving Mirai out of this.

Nana from what we've seen was a timid child which then grew up to be quite socially awkward and introverted person, she did all she could to protect Mirai from evil spirits since childhood although it seem like a case of bullying from outside's perspective (Nana took and burnt a cursed plushy which was Mirai's favorite toy at one point) She was also homeschooled just like her mom Mutsu which contributed further to her introverted personality.

Mirai was born a normal girl, a bright and curious child that went through numerous bump on the road to adulthood, having a lot of emotional outbursts as a teen and finally half insane after learning about the cursed womb practice in the Ebisumori.

When she was about Kaya's age she was bullied by the other kids, who learned from their parents that the Ebisumori's house is "bad", Mutsu knows all about the bullying and always give the school a call to make it stop, but it's a school after all, every year Mirai went through her class would have a girl group to bully her, her class isolated her, even went as far as framing her for heinous things like making voodoo doll "prank" in her highschool years just out of jealousy.

At one point Mirai want to be homeschooled as well just like Nana, but she didn't explain how bad the bullying was so Mutsu didn't get the message and encourage her to attend school if she can, she crashed out when Nana told her not to bother their mom too much since she still has things to settle, Mutsu's already steeled her heart after Yoshi's death so she just let Mirai be without comforting her, potentially making Mirai feel like she didn't belong in the house.

When she got to college, which she has accepted the fact people will say all kind of stuff behind her back, she had a class about childcare study, and wonder if her mom Mutsu even has one about childcare for her, she came back home digging through old book in the storage and just happen to find some mementos from Yoshi, which then found the "Maternal and Child Health Handbook"

She then somehow got an "epiphany" that "her mom Mutsu pushed Yoshi to her death" so the house must die, without digging further into the reason why Yoshi even have the cursed womb, not even confronting Mutsu about it, then she promptly left the house, got herself a loving husband, then try to curse the Ebisumori house by practicing the cursed womb technique Yoshi left behind, failed (which we then have Kaya), and now she's trying to do this again, with another unborn baby, dragging Kaya in as collateral.

I feel bad saying this but Kaya is pretty much a monster Namu made her out to be, since she was a first born she inherited the priestess's power while she is also a living curse since Mirai gave birth to her via the cursed womb technique, and she was born so late you could say she got the best of both ends. She's a living contradiction if I have to put it, an amalgamation of light and darkness if you will (it sounds chuuni af I know) She cannot only see the spirits like the older generation of priestesses, she can physically affect them (via punching and kicking so far) because both powers amplified her power so much she can pretty much evaporate any evil spirits under the sun as long as they are in her line of sight.

Now enough glazing the baby, she's still physically a child, spiritually she's invincible but she still need adults like Chie and Satou (Kaya's dad) in her life, being born with great power she's still slow to learn about empathy with others, she knows she's different but she doesn't know how to blend in, Chie and Mob did a great job teaching her about how to make friends, how power comes with responsibility and learning to put herself in others shoes, she's not a human by technicality but she's becoming more human with every chapter, and potentially accepting of her inhuman side in the future.

I really hope by the next chapter Mirai would take a hard look at Kaya and reconsider if it would be worth it to drag 2 innocent child into her genocide, behind her loving husband's back TWICE, all for her aunt Yoshi which she still didn't have the full contexts of why it happen btw, the curse she bear tried to attack Nana at first which Mutsu took the full brunt of it and pass away already.

Mirai got my sympathy for her rough life, but last time I remember Mutsu aint dragging her own daughters into a genocide let alone killing her own child for that end, please for the love of god.
 

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