Danjo-hi 1:5 no Sekai demo Futsuu ni Ikirareru to Omotta? ~Gekiomoi Kanjou na Kanojo-tachi ga Mujikaku Danshi ni Honrou Saretara~ - Ch. 19

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Trying is part of the equation, all he did was say "I can't move my arm" which at this point sound more like an excuse.
He was overwhelmed by the situation? Like, all of these criticisms can also be levied at female victims of sexual assault and pretty much all of them have all said that they "froze up" and couldn't do anything.
 
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He was overwhelmed by the situation? Like, all of these criticisms can also be levied at female victims of sexual assault and pretty much all of them have all said that they "froze up" and couldn't do anything.
When a female is held back by much more aggressive, violent, and powerful men, this is very understandable. We're talking about a middle schooler holding a college student, he's in not much danger. Besides, the context tells us this isn't the kind of situation where one would feel scared enough to freeze, they know each other, they trust each other and they had a bit of a conversation after the first shock of the kiss. On the other hand, this guy was not overwhelmed enough given he had enough time to think about his hand.

You're very much making a categorical error. Women victim of assault that you're talking about did not experience this specific situation.

Consider better what you're saying, since it pretty much puts down women's experience of assault. Imagine being the victim of rape only to have someone compare your experience with another who had a kid just kiss you because he likes you a lot. "We've experienced the same pain." I do not believe these are comparable, and should not be compared. I'm not throwing wild accusations, I'm considering the context very specifically. And the context calls for criticism of the adult in question (and the to girl who forced her on the guy, as well).
 
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World of reversed gender rules
Imagine if she was a boy and he was a kind motherly onee-san
That's what it would look like if it were in OUR world
Yes, it's terrible. This should never happen in our world and we should not celebrate it either.
Normalizing this situation is the worst we can do. In fact, it's good that people are noticing this situation because we SHOULD be critical of it our world, with the genders switch (adult woman with a boy).
 
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I'll never understand what's so scandalous about a "young" (like here, 12yo with 19yo) age-gap couple when no one ever bats an eye about an "old" (say, a 30yo with a 40yo) age-gap couple. I would understand the backlash if the story depicted the MC switching from young girl to young girl every year because he wants them young, that's disgusting and I'd be the first one to pick up a pitch and a fork in protest... but as far as I can see, it's portrayed as genuine love on Yuka's part, so are you all saying the girl shouldn't try to be happy because "nuh-huh, FBI!!11!!1!" ????
Not to mention this is fiction: not that it would be a problem if something similar happened IRL, but you could at least try to excuse the thing as "it's just fiction" instead... which makes me believe this insistence on the age-gap is more concerning for you lot instead.
 
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I'll never understand what's so scandalous about a "young" (like here, 12yo with 19yo) age-gap couple when no one ever bats an eye about an "old" (say, a 30yo with a 40yo) age-gap couple. I would understand the backlash if the story depicted the MC switching from young girl to young girl every year because he wants them young, that's disgusting and I'd be the first one to pick up a pitch and a fork in protest... but as far as I can see, it's portrayed as genuine love on Yuka's part, so are you all saying the girl shouldn't try to be happy because "nuh-huh, FBI!!11!!1!" ????
Not to mention this is fiction: not that it would be a problem if something similar happened IRL, but you could at least try to excuse the thing as "it's just fiction" instead... which makes me believe this insistence on the age-gap is more concerning for you lot instead.
there is a huge maturity gap between a teenager at the end of his teens vs a literal preteen as opposed to 30/40 who are reasonably in a similar stage of life so yes eyes should be batted
 
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I'll never understand what's so scandalous about a "young" (like here, 12yo with 19yo) age-gap couple when no one ever bats an eye about an "old" (say, a 30yo with a 40yo) age-gap couple. I would understand the backlash if the story depicted the MC switching from young girl to young girl every year because he wants them young, that's disgusting and I'd be the first one to pick up a pitch and a fork in protest... but as far as I can see, it's portrayed as genuine love on Yuka's part, so are you all saying the girl shouldn't try to be happy because "nuh-huh, FBI!!11!!1!" ????
Not to mention this is fiction: not that it would be a problem if something similar happened IRL, but you could at least try to excuse the thing as "it's just fiction" instead... which makes me believe this insistence on the age-gap is more concerning for you lot instead.

@drunkmuggle did already respond, but yes - there's a very large developmental difference between 12-13 and 19-20, that just doesn't exist between 30 and 40. They're really not remotely the same thing, so comparing that is kind of disingenuous.

Even if these are shapes on a page and not real people, readers expressing discomfort at the implications aren't wrong to do so on the basis of what's happening is controversial. It being fiction is a factor, yes, but that doesn't discount the judgment call that it's still problematic on the basis of things like consent.
 
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I'll never understand what's so scandalous about a "young" (like here, 12yo with 19yo) age-gap couple when no one ever bats an eye about an "old" (say, a 30yo with a 40yo) age-gap couple. I would understand the backlash if the story depicted the MC switching from young girl to young girl every year because he wants them young, that's disgusting and I'd be the first one to pick up a pitch and a fork in protest... but as far as I can see, it's portrayed as genuine love on Yuka's part, so are you all saying the girl shouldn't try to be happy because "nuh-huh, FBI!!11!!1!" ????
Not to mention this is fiction: not that it would be a problem if something similar happened IRL, but you could at least try to excuse the thing as "it's just fiction" instead... which makes me believe this insistence on the age-gap is more concerning for you lot instead.
You misunderstood so much.

First, as someone pointed above. 40 and 30 year olds are already adults, with multiple years of experience, they might as well have a similar social standing. A 12yo and 19yo, are VERY different. Maturity is not the same for either. How old are you? That line of thinking would not be the same if you were older, so I am guessing you're still a teen. If you aren't, but an adult... I implore you to please think about this situation and why society as a whole frowns upon this (please, DO NOT bring history into this equation). The age dynamics here are extremely important, this isn't just about age gap, but WHERE that age gap exists.

The issue is not about the guy cycling through girls. It's about the guy have the responsibility of an adult and how to deal with children.

Yuka's love might be genuine, but this problem isn't about how SHE feels. In fact, taking her side is being nïeve. This isn't about wanting to destroy her love, but to bring some sense into an adult irresponsible enough to lead a child on (so far). Besides, no matter how genuine, you can still do bad things... and Yuka did something wrong even if her intentions were not bad.

Just because this is fiction doesn't mean discussion can't arise from this. The point of fiction to tell a story, and a story has a message. The author is trying to convey something with each part of the story. And so far, they have shown how bad obsession is, and to a lesser degree how this guy is leading women on. Are we supposed to not discuss what the story is doing? Part of the enjoyment of stories isn't just to read them, but to understand them, and to involve ourselves in the plot... not necessarily personally, but critically. And communities exist around them, because it is an aspect of socialization. We're looking at two fictional characters who are portrayed as if they believe their story is real, not fiction. We see us in them. And it is valid to consider what the story is saying as it was real given the context, especially when there's a message you can take from this.

Contextualize this story in reality, and see how you feel about it. Suddenly, there's a point for such a discussion. Fiction or not, people learn from stories too.
 
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And here I was wondering why this sidekick novelty little sister character is getting all this screen time and drags out story from progressing.

Turns out she was a major league player all along. Holy...

Ain't nobody gonna force a mouth to mouth kiss to anyone who doesn't want it or like it much less for tens of minutes.
He got overpowered alright, by her charms and girlish assertiveness.
Can you guys even read all right, he got flustered and absolutely conquered.

While a bit unusual, Masato is rather lore-appropriate oblivious naive girl in this universe, Yuka assertively went for it and ma boy couldn't just resist.

Absolute CINEMA.
 
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You're very much making a categorical error. Women victim of assault that you're talking about did not experience this specific situation.
No, but you can nonetheless extrapolate to this. The women victims were overwhelmed by fear. This guy was just overwhelmed by another emotion.
Consider better what you're saying, since it pretty much puts down women's experience of assault.
What makes that worse than this is what victims takes away from the experience (The women victims are traumatized while this guy gets a 13 y/o love interest). But still the framework of the experience is the same. The primary reason of shunning victim blaming shouldn't be the trauma the victim is left with, but the details of the experience itself. An example of this is if a guy jumps in shark infested waters and loses his life for it, he's getting blamed, not the sharks.
 
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Given everything else that's been discussed so far in this rather pivotal chapter, I'd like to add something else.

I find it interesting, and in a way logical, that it's the youngest girl who moved to change the status quo first. In this world, Yuka technically has the least to lose the the most to gain by staking her claims right now. She's fighting from the age and experience disadvantage. Her love of Masato is the most likely to be considered fleeting -- a childhood crush, and not true love. And she has absolutely nothing to offer in the relationship beside herself. She's nowhere near financially solvent, and so much of her future is still uncertain. Seira is a career woman with regular income, Koumi and Mizuho are college students who don't have regular income but are developing their future prospects, and even Shiori has a couple years of knowledge development compared to Yuka. So Yuka felt that she needed to stake some emotional (and physical) claims, since she can't do anything else.

By contrast, everyone else is more worried about the emotional stakes. None of the other girls want to be seen as too controlling or needy, since current society dictates that a woman needs to be able to take care of a man as a limited resource. And while men are free to choose who their benefactors are, women have to fight for the right to provide but not control. Because men in this world understand their worth, so they can dictate some of the terms. A man can be a total asshole, but since he's both a status symbol and a source for procreation, he's still needed in the end.

Thinking about it, this story doesn't approach the concept of sperm banks the way that the 1:39 story does, or similar stories. Maybe it just hasn't been mandated yet, since the occurrence seems to be more recent. There's still discussions about polygamy, after all, which sounds like something that would be resolved within a couple generations if male birth rates have declined that much. But maybe that's something that's coming down the pipeline for this world. Or maybe the original author never considered that aspect.
 
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Why? Why must it be the middle schooler? NOOOOOOOOOO!
Just wait.
My bet is one of the other four are watching from afar.
The blond one would debate murder and confront Masato.
the friend/only pure one would be baffled and cry.
the nerd high schooler would just cry and run away.
and the stalker would just murder and maybe kidnap masato.
 

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