Neko ni Hakucho, Hotaru ni Koban - Vol. 2 Ch. 8

[MangaDex]

 

[mimuro]

This teacher sucks

 

[Prismatic-chan]

no offense .. absolutely no offense here.
but Ms Shiratori shifted into a completely depressed, close to non-functional human being because one student asked her for advice and didn't end up going to the Art Uni that Ms Shiratori went to?
that's enough to ruin someone's life and put them in the deepest depression they've ever been in?

i just cannot buy that.
i can buy all sorts of plots and stories, even the one where a princess keeps getting reincarnated to build her female harem and sesbian lex all of them at once.
i buy that.

but this?
i'm not buying.

 

[Yuri_Enjoyer_Deluxe]

Even the Joker had more motivation than this, wdym one fail got you like this 😌

 

[emmadrew]

no offense .. absolutely no offense here.
but Ms Shiratori shifted into a completely depressed, close to non-functional human being because one student asked her for advice and didn't end up going to the Art Uni that Ms Shiratori went to?
that's enough to ruin someone's life and put them in the deepest depression they've ever been in?

i just cannot buy that.
i can buy all sorts of plots and stories, even the one where a princess keeps getting reincarnated to build her female harem and sesbian lex all of them at once.
i buy that.

but this?
i'm not buying.

I don't completely disagree with the sentiment, but I think you're pretty severely overstating it.

Ms. Shiratori didn't just give a student advice, she repeatedly encouraged that student to pursue a school that Shiratori herself initially assumed the student probably couldn't get into. That encouragement resulted in the student grinding for months for a goal she could not achieve, and having higher than realistic expectations that made the blow of not getting in hit much harder. The reason the student apologizing to Shiratori is what broke her is because it implies that the student was doing what they were doing in part for her, to meet her expectations.

Ms. Shiratori wanted to become a teacher because a teacher had a really positive impact on her, but when she tries to be that teacher for someone else, her position of power only ends up hurting the student. I think Shiratori's reaction is a bit extreme, but I can absolutely see how she would end up scared of getting to involved with students. The lesson Shiratori seems to have internalized is that teachers have a lot of power over students for both good and bad, and that she doesn't know how to control that power properly, so she'd rather withdraw from influencing students as much as she can so she doesn't risk hurting them.

 

[Valle_reading_manga]

Way to get called out

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I think the big/main issue with her trauma is that she got into this situation prior to getting a teaching license.
But I think she's severely overestimating the negative impact her influence had, so once she can realise that

and being supportive of her students' aspirations is a good starting point, we should be good. And I guess Yuna and Ms. Hase will be the ones helping her get there

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Thanks for the uploads!

 

[bluebutterfly15]

So another manga I am reading covered a much worse outcome for students failing their entrance exams for their first-choice schools, so I was bracing myself for the worst. We don’t know what happened to that girl afterwards, if she continued to spiral downwards or if she recovered from it. It’s possible Shiratori doesn’t know. Still, a hell of a thing for a student teacher to handle, and it’s clear neither her education or training prepared her for how to handle it so I wouldn’t dare judge her.

It’s a tricky situation to strike that balance between inspiring students to reach as high as they can for what they want, but also setting realistic expectation without demoralising them. They can potentially accomplish a lot the more time and effort they put in, but the more invested they are, the harder it can potentially be if they fall short of their goals, which could negatively impact their mental health. It wasn’t necessarily the wrong choice for Shiratori to encourage and believe in that girl, I‘m sure she made great progress because of it, but I think she needed to learn how to deal with the fallout of the less than ideal outcome.

This is something she should really talk about with a more experienced teacher. Hotaru probably has more experience dealing with this kind of thing.

 

[Edelguard]

I don't completely disagree with the sentiment, but I think you're pretty severely overstating it.

Ms. Shiratori didn't just give a student advice, she repeatedly encouraged that student to pursue a school that Shiratori herself initially assumed the student probably couldn't get into. That encouragement resulted in the student grinding for months for a goal she could not achieve, and having higher than realistic expectations that made the blow of not getting in hit much harder. The reason the student apologizing to Shiratori is what broke her is because it implies that the student was doing what they were doing in part for her, to meet her expectations.

Ms. Shiratori wanted to become a teacher because a teacher had a really positive impact on her, but when she tries to be that teacher for someone else, her position of power only ends up hurting the student. I think Shiratori's reaction is a bit extreme, but I can absolutely see how she would end up scared of getting to involved with students. The lesson Shiratori seems to have internalized is that teachers have a lot of power over students for both good and bad, and that she doesn't know how to control that power properly, so she'd rather withdraw from influencing students as much as she can so she doesn't risk hurting them.

Truth nuke. Couldn't say it better

 

[beThereShortly]

Yay thank you for the double upload.
I'm unironically glad that we didn't have to wait a month between chapters focused on Ms. Shiratori's back story, it would have been a bit too slow paced for a flashback.

I still don't really understand how the relationship between Yuna and Ms Shiratori is supposed to mirror / inform Ms. Hase's and her roomate-maybe-gitlfriend-maybe-more-or-maybe-less? I suppose time will tell. Looking forward to more!

 

[dioyasu]

I wonder when tf we’re gonna be formally introduced to “Aki”, Hotaru’s presumed ex from the first chapter of the manga. She’s in the cover art but we haven’t really gotten any info of her other than she’s a photographer who probably went traveling after college.

 

[raineight]

page 8: your aiming -> you're aiming; there's no -> there are no

page 9: every even -> every day(?) even

 

[snipesalot0]

Huh, I kinda thought it was hinting the girl killed herself after she failed. Just me then?

 

[Prismatic-chan]

I don't completely disagree with the sentiment, but I think you're pretty severely overstating it.

Ms. Shiratori didn't just give a student advice, she repeatedly encouraged that student to pursue a school that Shiratori herself initially assumed the student probably couldn't get into. That encouragement resulted in the student grinding for months for a goal she could not achieve, and having higher than realistic expectations that made the blow of not getting in hit much harder. The reason the student apologizing to Shiratori is what broke her is because it implies that the student was doing what they were doing in part for her, to meet her expectations.

Ms. Shiratori wanted to become a teacher because a teacher had a really positive impact on her, but when she tries to be that teacher for someone else, her position of power only ends up hurting the student. I think Shiratori's reaction is a bit extreme, but I can absolutely see how she would end up scared of getting to involved with students. The lesson Shiratori seems to have internalized is that teachers have a lot of power over students for both good and bad, and that she doesn't know how to control that power properly, so she'd rather withdraw from influencing students as much as she can so she doesn't risk hurting them.

like that other younger teacher told her, there is value in pushing oneself, it's not pure negativity.
she took it way harder than any person normally would, even considering the fact that, yes, she was still very young then, and had zero experience as an adult, a guiding teacher, etc.
that story has ended and she is still a depressed, distanced mess and kinda sucks at being a teacher .. very much so.

if Shiratori had tendencies to distance herself from others, be less social, be anxious before she decided to become a teacher, then this is normal.
but we don't really know enough about her, and given what we have seen about her past personality, this just comes as too big a shift in personality.
just my view on this manga really.

 

[Ichigo69]

page 8: your aiming -> you're aiming; there's no -> there are no

page 9: every even -> every day(?) even

Are you sure this was in this chapter? (Chapter 8)? I just read thru the entire chapter again and I can't find these 2 lines on any of the pages of chapter 8....

 

[raineight]

Are you sure this was in this chapter? (Chapter 8)? I just read thru the entire chapter again and I can't find these 2 lines on any of the pages of chapter 8....

Somehow I got the pages wrong or something, it's pages 4 and 5 now, but yes: "since your aiming to come", "art classroom every even"

The version on Dynasty has been fixed since my previous post, though.

 

[Ichigo69]

Somehow I got the pages wrong or something, it's pages 4 and 5 now, but yes: "since your aiming to come", "art classroom every even"

The version on Dynasty has been fixed since my previous post, though.

Okay, I see. They're both fixed now. Thanks!

 

[Homura]

that's it? that's the big drama revealed after 8 chapters?
lol, lmao even
so fucking lame

 

[MelonManic]

Ayyyy
Ya love to see it, pushing on to become their best self
To reach an impossible goal?? I believe in you small one
Put in the work AND YOU SHALL SUCCEED

Ah shi... That's rouge
But that's no reason to give up, keep trying, keep grinding, and thou is sure to succeed even the, one must put in the work to reach thy goals-
OH SHE WAS TRYING TO GET IN CAUSE OF HER TEACHE-
That or she as pushing herself specifically because of the teacher, so when she does get it it's sorry to the teacher who was there for her the whole time mmmm
These kids over here giving teachers trauma,
Oof
And she took the wrong lesson from, more harm than good my ass
You just gotta keep more of a distance, and have others just as supportive of course
Mmm or perhaps seeing this as failure fearing potentially failing again?

Well you can make it right without things becoming weird
Fer sure
Have a nice day

 

[AsheLee]

So another manga I am reading covered a much worse outcome for students failing their entrance exams for their first-choice schools, so I was bracing myself for the worst.

Which manga was that?

 

[bluebutterfly15]

Which manga was that?

Haikei, Arishi Hi ni Saku Hanatachi e (Dear Flowers That Bloom In Days of Yore) by Igarashi Jun.