Momiji to Kouyou - Ch. 7 - Blazer and Skirt

[MangaDex]

 

[Niewaznekto]

I think she is straight, she just likes femboys, due to hating manly-men.

 

[Boneless_Pizza_69]

I think they might want to be momiji

 

[JoeKerr]

Beware the strait laced looking ones.
They're always the most freaky

 

[jollygoodtimes22]

before i was broadly fine with where ever the series but after this chapter i think im at "if momiji doesnt actually transition by the end then this manga sucks" lol. like theres still the open space for this to be a "well maybe this is about loving urself (read:ur assigned gender at birth) and u shouldnt change urself!!!" type story, but the thing is like at this point momiji is experiencing transphobia from other students and wants to keep dressing as a girl anyways, so at a certain point u gotta call a duck a duck. and if momiji decides at the end to remain a boy then like. well I guess all this was for nothing.

 

[Niewaznekto]

before i was broadly fine with where ever the series but after this chapter i think im at "if momiji doesnt actually transition by the end then this manga sucks" lol. like theres still the open space for this to be a "well maybe this is about loving urself (read:ur assigned gender at birth) and u shouldnt change urself!!!" type story, but the thing is like at this point momiji is experiencing transphobia from other students and wants to keep dressing as a girl anyways, so at a certain point u gotta call a duck a duck. and if momiji decides at the end to remain a boy then like. well I guess all this was for nothing.

totally doesn't read like that to me - they reads more like a person that doesn't care about their gender, rather than trans, they just wants his crush to like them

 

[pink_rabbit]

before i was broadly fine with where ever the series but after this chapter i think im at "if momiji doesnt actually transition by the end then this manga sucks" lol. like theres still the open space for this to be a "well maybe this is about loving urself (read:ur assigned gender at birth) and u shouldnt change urself!!!" type story, but the thing is like at this point momiji is experiencing transphobia from other students and wants to keep dressing as a girl anyways, so at a certain point u gotta call a duck a duck. and if momiji decides at the end to remain a boy then like. well I guess all this was for nothing.

How? Even if they don;t transition then it doesn't mean its a basic "het cis" romance. Its still queer no matter how you look at it. Being queer means you don't belong in the het cis norm. Kouyou/Momiji might be bigender or a demiboy.

I think its more transphobic to think that trans people must transition when gender is very complex. Sometimes transition can just be clothes, hair, or the little things. It always breaks my heart how the trans community have so many rules in what is "trans" when we already outcasts in the norm of society. Why put these rules in this manga too?

 

[n3na3]

I really like the artstyle!

 

[Manko-sensei]

So in the end we didn't see Kouyou in a skirt this chapter, they keep delaying the inevitable.

 

[jollygoodtimes22]

How? Even if they don;t transition then it doesn't mean its a basic "het cis" romance. Its still queer no matter how you look at it. Being queer means you don't belong in the het cis norm. Kouyou/Momiji might be bigender or a demiboy.

I think its more transphobic to think that trans people must transition when gender is very complex. Sometimes transition can just be clothes, hair, or the little things. It always breaks my heart how the trans community have so many rules in what is "trans" when we already outcasts in the norm of society. Why put these rules in this manga too?

Eh yea i was being glib when I wrote that, my main point tho is that there's like still space for this story to be "he needs to learn to love himself and not change himself for the one he loves" instead of a story about any form of queerness which would imo flatly suck. mangas rn in a weird balancing act between future possibilities; in a real way, the central tension of the story (at least for me) is whether or not its actually gonna let momiji be queer

 

[Dragon5eye]

I have shifting feelings on what flavor of transfem Kouyou is/will be, but, yeah, because of how much this is his choice against opposing forces, it feels like if the story ends with him going "okay now to put Momiji and all of this gender nonsense on the shelf forever" then it will really be falling flat on its face

 

[irisvirus]

How? Even if they don;t transition then it doesn't mean its a basic "het cis" romance. Its still queer no matter how you look at it. Being queer means you don't belong in the het cis norm. Kouyou/Momiji might be bigender or a demiboy.

I think its more transphobic to think that trans people must transition when gender is very complex. Sometimes transition can just be clothes, hair, or the little things. It always breaks my heart how the trans community have so many rules in what is "trans" when we already outcasts in the norm of society. Why put these rules in this manga too?

But that isn’t really the issue here though. Manga publishers have rules around what kinds of trans things can be displayed in manga.

I don’t particularly thing that the gender expression is here isn’t even that complex. We have a character who’s dressing femme, wanting to be seen as a girl when dressed as one, tried to casually bring up wanting to presenting more feminine to their friends and getting push back. This all reads as trans femme. They even choose a new name.

There isn’t some new gender discourse ever really being generated in these kinds of mangas, it’s inherently obfuscated because they’re not allowed to talk about it in most cases.

 

[pink_rabbit]

Eh yea i was being glib when I wrote that, my main point tho is that there's like still space for this story to be "he needs to learn to love himself and not change himself for the one he loves" instead of a story about any form of queerness which would imo flatly suck. mangas rn in a weird balancing act between future possibilities; in a real way, the central tension of the story (at least for me) is whether or not its actually gonna let momiji be queer

Right now, a lot of queer manga are not to go too much in queerness due to the political climate and paypal being a jackass. There was something about all GL being censored recently in Japan too. Might be related to it....

I don’t particularly thing that the gender expression is here isn’t even that complex. We have a character who’s dressing femme, wanting to be seen as a girl when dressed as one, tried to casually bring up wanting to presenting more feminine to their friends and getting push back. This all reads as trans femme. They even choose a new name.

There isn’t some new gender discourse ever really being generated in these kinds of mangas, it’s inherently obfuscated because they’re not allowed to talk about it in most cases.

As much as I want to agree with you with how manga is; part of me disagrees because the gender is complex here. We are seeing pages in what makes the fmc's heart flutter. When she was checking out the other girls in the locker room to see that it was bodies she wasn't attracted to.

Plus, its teenagers. Imagine being a teenager going through your own gender and sexuality confusion. You are thinking in the brain of an adult instead of a teenager.

 

[guilyom]

I think its more transphobic to think that trans people must transition when gender is very complex. Sometimes transition can just be clothes, hair, or the little things. It always breaks my heart how the trans community have so many rules in what is "trans" when we already outcasts in the norm of society. Why put these rules in this manga too?

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As much as I want to agree with you with how manga is; part of me disagrees because the gender is complex here. We are seeing pages in what makes the fmc's heart flutter. When she was checking out the other girls in the locker room to see that it was bodies she wasn't attracted to.

Plus, its teenagers. Imagine being a teenager going through your own gender and sexuality confusion. You are thinking in the brain of an adult instead of a teenager.

i was wondering when Momiji/Kouyou discourse would turn into Boy from Venus discourse. guess we're here.
i should refrain from from the comment section now cause i might genuinely kms.

(in case you're wondering what my stance is: semantics are dumb ; "its more transphobic to think that people must transition" is an insane statement)

 

[nightshine]

Momiji WANTS to show up because she doesn't like the idea of the new girl stealing her girl. That is 100% a jealous woman. Like this is very transcoded in a way that it can't escape addressing it, and with the main girl straight up not understanding the other woman's weird crush on her kinda leans into the oblivious lesbian trope. T4C baby <3

 

[JianMaru]

I believe in Momiji’s cuteness to win. Ganbare!

 

[ToFaChi]

Others: Arguing about gender identity, diversity, and story structure.
Me: When will I get to see Momiji-chan at school?

It's just manga, not a report on natural philosophy, human society, or anything. Can't you guys just turn off your brains while reading this?
(P.S. This is a joke, don't scold me. Sometimes serious criticism is good, but after scrolling through, this is a bit much.)

 

[nikipa]

I just wanted to see the cute trap in girl uniform at school... damn perverted stalker

 

[OmnipotentCheese]

totally doesn't read like that to me - they reads more like a person that doesn't care about their gender, rather than trans, they just wants his crush to like them

Non binary and non gender conforming ARE a transgender experience. Always.

Being transgendered is not relating to the gender you were assigned at birth.

That's it.

It's not about switching genders or even about the gender binary. It's not something you even do. You can be trans and decide to live your life without ever changing anything. It's petty painful and not highly recommended, but you were still trans so long as that, "this doesn't fit me" feeling exists.

 

[xp32]

Others: Arguing about gender identity, diversity, and story structure.
Me: Let see if the author has the balls to make Momiji grow boobas