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No! It's those shitty friends' fault!!
Also thanks for translation!
Also thanks for translation!
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Wow a surprise wedding where neither of the couple is involved in the preparation is possible like who decides to get married? 😂
Anyway in the translator's notes, i didn't get the sitting in the toilet test and who brought another man? Nanasaki or takuma?
Where can we read the essay? Is it available in english? Thank you very much!
Anyway in the translator's notes, i didn't get the sitting in the toilet test and who brought another man? Nanasaki or takuma?
Where can we read the essay? Is it available in english? Thank you very much!
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Ughhh my heart hurts so much. Thank you so much for the update. I’m really enjoying this manga and I can’t wait for some happiness to happen 😭
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I’d also really love to read a translation of the essay if anyone know whether there is one!
I really feel for Takuma...
These days and in the country I live in, coming out should be easy but even I haven’t really come out to many important people in my life.
I can only imagine how hard it is for Takuma to come out a few years ago when things weren’t as progressive.
I really feel for Takuma...
These days and in the country I live in, coming out should be easy but even I haven’t really come out to many important people in my life.
I can only imagine how hard it is for Takuma to come out a few years ago when things weren’t as progressive.
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@Yabaibunni
The speed of these scanlations is truly impressive, thanks again for all the effort!
Small thing, but on p. 11, "Psycholgist" is spelled wrong and shouldn't the word be "Urologist", not "Urology". Sorry for the nitpicks.
@I_I_Hope_I_I
I don't think it's so much a failure as an attempt to keep to the main plot points within 16 pages. As toxic as the reciprocal abuse was, it doesn't seem to be main thing that killed the relationship, and so is probably not that relevant. Rather, it appearsTakura's inability to accept himself and the social stigma around his orientation was the crux of the break-up.
Then again, it's still ongoing, so maybe we'll get a chapter focusing on the domestic abuse.
The speed of these scanlations is truly impressive, thanks again for all the effort!
Small thing, but on p. 11, "Psycholgist" is spelled wrong and shouldn't the word be "Urologist", not "Urology". Sorry for the nitpicks.
@I_I_Hope_I_I
I don't think it's so much a failure as an attempt to keep to the main plot points within 16 pages. As toxic as the reciprocal abuse was, it doesn't seem to be main thing that killed the relationship, and so is probably not that relevant. Rather, it appearsTakura's inability to accept himself and the social stigma around his orientation was the crux of the break-up.
Then again, it's still ongoing, so maybe we'll get a chapter focusing on the domestic abuse.
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@Magicreams I think what the notes are trying to tell is that Takura didn't completely trust Nanasaki or had doubts about his faithfulness mid relationship so he hid in the bathroom to test if Nanasaki would bring another man home (basically to catch him cheating), but it seems that Nanasaki, who wasnt cheating, found out, got pissed and proceeded to hit him, only for Takura to retaliate by hitting Nanasaki on his shoulder.
At least thats what I understood from the notes, as it would seem kinda weird for Nanasaki to basically CHEAT or try to do so and it not being included on the manga, specially since it would likely have huge implications and obviously be a major plot-point of their relationship.
I just think the Manga fails a bit wen we have to rely on the end notes to have the bigger picture, whiteout them it would seem that Takura was the toxic one in the relationship, wen we now see that both Takura and Nanasaki were very toxic to one another.
At least thats what I understood from the notes, as it would seem kinda weird for Nanasaki to basically CHEAT or try to do so and it not being included on the manga, specially since it would likely have huge implications and obviously be a major plot-point of their relationship.
I just think the Manga fails a bit wen we have to rely on the end notes to have the bigger picture, whiteout them it would seem that Takura was the toxic one in the relationship, wen we now see that both Takura and Nanasaki were very toxic to one another.
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Ehhh the end notes sometimes go on their weird little personal opinion tangents that I'm not fond of, especially since I'm not sure if the translators are actually gay cis men or not. There's huge issues in the lgbt+ community with intimate/domestic violence, and saying "well this character is no angel because they threw a punch once!" is not really that great.
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@ikarirei69 Thank you so much, I shall fix that right now!
@Magicreams Takuma was the one sitting on the toliet hoping to see if Nanasaki was a cheater, which he never was. @i_i_hope_i_i was right about this! Sorry it wasn't that clear, I was building on from the previous end card.
@nikonekonya I'm trying to show both sides were toxic and that the relationship was bound to break from BOTH sides. The manga is heavily skewed more towards Nanasaki's hardship but we should also acknowledge the hardship he caused for others; especially since he was the one that wrote about them (he himself claimed that he wasn't that great of a guy). I'm not making this out about his sexuality, but rather human faults and growth. There is sexual and domestic violence everywhere, even outside of the LGBTQ+. I am not going to stop speaking about that in my end cards, and if you want to avoid them, you can just read the bolded portions which highlight key points. Or avoid the end card in general, but then you miss out of info sadly.
Also... And if my sexuality and gender are needed to comment on this without you overlooking... I'm female and bisexual but I don't think that's important. Let's all try to be better human beings without separating them into communities and boxes 🤗
@Magicreams Takuma was the one sitting on the toliet hoping to see if Nanasaki was a cheater, which he never was. @i_i_hope_i_i was right about this! Sorry it wasn't that clear, I was building on from the previous end card.
@nikonekonya I'm trying to show both sides were toxic and that the relationship was bound to break from BOTH sides. The manga is heavily skewed more towards Nanasaki's hardship but we should also acknowledge the hardship he caused for others; especially since he was the one that wrote about them (he himself claimed that he wasn't that great of a guy). I'm not making this out about his sexuality, but rather human faults and growth. There is sexual and domestic violence everywhere, even outside of the LGBTQ+. I am not going to stop speaking about that in my end cards, and if you want to avoid them, you can just read the bolded portions which highlight key points. Or avoid the end card in general, but then you miss out of info sadly.
Also... And if my sexuality and gender are needed to comment on this without you overlooking... I'm female and bisexual but I don't think that's important. Let's all try to be better human beings without separating them into communities and boxes 🤗
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sorry, think I'm gonna drop this, I don't really see the point of the end cards. is anyone here idolizing the author? I'd rather just enjoy a manga and read the novel to see all the autobiographically parts if I want to.
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Thank you for taking your time to translate this, this was really sad 
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I'm sorry I felt like it wasn't made clear, but is this manga dropped from now on?
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@thatperson13 Nope, not dropped! My text got cut off in the end card and Mangadex was not letting me re-upload until JUST now. I will continue this series and the next chapter will be done on 11/11/2020
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@ikarirei69
My issue was more on the fact that the manga seems to basically downgrade the relationship, if not for the end notes (which could have not been included if the Translator/s so wanted) we would basically think that Nanasaki was a saint that just wanted to find love but kept finding the wrong people, wen now we know that Nanasaki would often hit Takuma, and that Takuma was at one point (isnt specified) doubtful of Nanasakis faithfulness to him, which shows that there were more problems behind their relationship and not just the "I want to have a "normal" life", hence why the breakup felt natural.
Basically, for a story based on facts, the Manga seems to often "Anime-fy" the People it is talking about, which I understand, but I also feel like its a failed opportunity to show how toxicity, doubt and abuse affect a relationship, which despite not being what broke them up, it surely was something that left scars.
@tailor31415
The point of the End Cards is to give more insight on the story.
This story is based on a REAL LIFE STORY about the author, but obviously the Mangaka made the manga much more softer and simplistic compared to reality, so, to give more insight to the people interested in his story, the author himself talked about things not in the manga, like in this case, how their relationship was way more Toxic then it let on, whit the Author sometimes hitting Takuma, Takuma misplaced doubtfulness of the Authors faithfulness, the Author trying to call a Domestic Abuse line despite him being the first to hit Takuma and so on.
If you see this as a issue big enough to drop this, thats on you, but I honestly find it a very nish reason to do so, specially wen the main charm of this Manga is it being based on real events.
@nikonekonya
Pretty sure the end notes state that all the information there was told by the author.
And no, Nanasaki didnt "trow a punch once", if you read it again you will see that the notes say "He has hit Takuma out of frustration, one time drawing blood", which clearly state that there had been other times where Nanasaki had hit Takuma, its just that this one event was the most marking.
And as a Gay guy, whatever issue the "LGBT communiteh" has should not stop anyone from talking about a factual abuse story, specially wen the agressor himself has admitted to it.
And PLEASE, just PLEASE do not question the identity of a translator for a argument, a translator being Straight, Gay, Bi, Male or Female doesn't excuse them from opinions if they ever wish to state them, the objective we strive for is to see everyone as a person and as a equal, you trying to downgrade someone's "opinions" (which they werent) based on their sex/gender and sexual orientation isnt helping.
@Yabaibunni
Thank you for the response, I wasnt 100% sure what I said was right and was fearful I had assumed wrong, but I am happy to know that despite the clearly toxic relationship they had, Nanasaki staid faithful, the domestic violence was disgusting and Nanasakis actions were deplorable, as even if he was in the right to be pissed about what Takuma did (as in a way, its still a massive break of trust in the relationship), hitting him was one step to far, but I also have to condem Takuma for the "self-defence", as in a outsiders view he was the one that prompted Nanasaki to snap in this case, as his actions showed that Takuma lacked trust in him and instead of talking about it, he went whit his plan sure that Nanasaki was cheating.
Overall its clear that they had a very toxic relationship, whit the "tests", the domestic violence, and by the end of it all, Takuma and his lack of love for Nanasaki, ready to breakup just to have a "normal" life so society is on his side.
All I can say is keep up the good work, I love reading the end notes to get more insight into the story and the translations have been great for me.
Will be anticipating for the next chapter.
My issue was more on the fact that the manga seems to basically downgrade the relationship, if not for the end notes (which could have not been included if the Translator/s so wanted) we would basically think that Nanasaki was a saint that just wanted to find love but kept finding the wrong people, wen now we know that Nanasaki would often hit Takuma, and that Takuma was at one point (isnt specified) doubtful of Nanasakis faithfulness to him, which shows that there were more problems behind their relationship and not just the "I want to have a "normal" life", hence why the breakup felt natural.
Basically, for a story based on facts, the Manga seems to often "Anime-fy" the People it is talking about, which I understand, but I also feel like its a failed opportunity to show how toxicity, doubt and abuse affect a relationship, which despite not being what broke them up, it surely was something that left scars.
@tailor31415
The point of the End Cards is to give more insight on the story.
This story is based on a REAL LIFE STORY about the author, but obviously the Mangaka made the manga much more softer and simplistic compared to reality, so, to give more insight to the people interested in his story, the author himself talked about things not in the manga, like in this case, how their relationship was way more Toxic then it let on, whit the Author sometimes hitting Takuma, Takuma misplaced doubtfulness of the Authors faithfulness, the Author trying to call a Domestic Abuse line despite him being the first to hit Takuma and so on.
If you see this as a issue big enough to drop this, thats on you, but I honestly find it a very nish reason to do so, specially wen the main charm of this Manga is it being based on real events.
@nikonekonya
Pretty sure the end notes state that all the information there was told by the author.
And no, Nanasaki didnt "trow a punch once", if you read it again you will see that the notes say "He has hit Takuma out of frustration, one time drawing blood", which clearly state that there had been other times where Nanasaki had hit Takuma, its just that this one event was the most marking.
And as a Gay guy, whatever issue the "LGBT communiteh" has should not stop anyone from talking about a factual abuse story, specially wen the agressor himself has admitted to it.
And PLEASE, just PLEASE do not question the identity of a translator for a argument, a translator being Straight, Gay, Bi, Male or Female doesn't excuse them from opinions if they ever wish to state them, the objective we strive for is to see everyone as a person and as a equal, you trying to downgrade someone's "opinions" (which they werent) based on their sex/gender and sexual orientation isnt helping.
@Yabaibunni
Thank you for the response, I wasnt 100% sure what I said was right and was fearful I had assumed wrong, but I am happy to know that despite the clearly toxic relationship they had, Nanasaki staid faithful, the domestic violence was disgusting and Nanasakis actions were deplorable, as even if he was in the right to be pissed about what Takuma did (as in a way, its still a massive break of trust in the relationship), hitting him was one step to far, but I also have to condem Takuma for the "self-defence", as in a outsiders view he was the one that prompted Nanasaki to snap in this case, as his actions showed that Takuma lacked trust in him and instead of talking about it, he went whit his plan sure that Nanasaki was cheating.
Overall its clear that they had a very toxic relationship, whit the "tests", the domestic violence, and by the end of it all, Takuma and his lack of love for Nanasaki, ready to breakup just to have a "normal" life so society is on his side.
All I can say is keep up the good work, I love reading the end notes to get more insight into the story and the translations have been great for me.
Will be anticipating for the next chapter.
@nikonekonya I don't think it's a personal opinion, actually. I understood it more like "although Nanasaki is the main character of this manga, he is now flawless." Because that's what readers usually like to think, no matter if they're reading BL manga or GL manga or any other kind of manga. That protagonist is flawless and makes no mistakes, while everyone else is at fault. So I understood the "Nanasaki was not an angel" more like "no matter what you think, he made mistakes too" not like a personal opinion of the translator.
That being said, thank you for your hard work, @Yabaibunni, and I hope you'll keep the endnotes! I always await them and I can't imagine reading the manga without them. You're doing a great job providing them!
That being said, thank you for your hard work, @Yabaibunni, and I hope you'll keep the endnotes! I always await them and I can't imagine reading the manga without them. You're doing a great job providing them!
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@I_I_Hope_I_I
I'll concur that the manga definitely simplifies the character dynamics, but again, I think this is for the sake of maintaining thematic consistency. I disagree it's done with the intent to saintify the author since plenty of information has been elided that protrayed him in a more sympathetic light ( the fact that Hase's girlfriend actually was cheating on him, being fired from his job for being effiminate/gay, establishing an LGBT support group etc.). Ultimately, I think this manga is primarily focused on propagating a political message, i.e. the effects of societal stigmatization in a way that's unique and deleterious to sexual minorities, and thus consistently only plumbs those relevant aspects.
I understand it can feel like a "failed opportunity" for the manga to not focus on the mutually toxic elements of the relationship, but I think it would be an unfair criticism, since that would be judging a piece of work based on the standards WE impose on it, instead of what standards IT sets for itself.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful response.
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I'm actually pretty curious now, you could give us a little more context of what's in the essay regarding Nanasaki's relationship with Takuma? When did the phsyical abuse start? Did it ever end? Was it reciprocal? What was it that ultimately killed the relationship?
I originally assumed Takuma was a pretty insignificant footnote, hence why you confused Takuma for Hase at the end of CH 6, but it sounds like the relationship was a pretty substantial part in the author's journey.
And thanks once again for all the effort you put into this project.
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A gay guy who definitely does not agree with @nikonekonya
I'll concur that the manga definitely simplifies the character dynamics, but again, I think this is for the sake of maintaining thematic consistency. I disagree it's done with the intent to saintify the author since plenty of information has been elided that protrayed him in a more sympathetic light ( the fact that Hase's girlfriend actually was cheating on him, being fired from his job for being effiminate/gay, establishing an LGBT support group etc.). Ultimately, I think this manga is primarily focused on propagating a political message, i.e. the effects of societal stigmatization in a way that's unique and deleterious to sexual minorities, and thus consistently only plumbs those relevant aspects.
I understand it can feel like a "failed opportunity" for the manga to not focus on the mutually toxic elements of the relationship, but I think it would be an unfair criticism, since that would be judging a piece of work based on the standards WE impose on it, instead of what standards IT sets for itself.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful response.
@Yabaibunni
I'm actually pretty curious now, you could give us a little more context of what's in the essay regarding Nanasaki's relationship with Takuma? When did the phsyical abuse start? Did it ever end? Was it reciprocal? What was it that ultimately killed the relationship?
I originally assumed Takuma was a pretty insignificant footnote, hence why you confused Takuma for Hase at the end of CH 6, but it sounds like the relationship was a pretty substantial part in the author's journey.
And thanks once again for all the effort you put into this project.
Sincerely
A gay guy who definitely does not agree with @nikonekonya
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@Kuuroo @I_I_Hope_I_I Thank you both so much, and don't worry I will keep up with the end cards. I bought the essay partly because of them!
@Ikarirei69 Good question. I read the novel usually on the same pace with the manga to avoid spoiling myself too much before the next chapter. But from what I read, it seemed like Nanasaki would only hit Takuma in surprise like the toilet instance, and this started the moment his "tests" began which was early in the relationship. He often wrote that Takuma would sometimes hide in the closet, I think under the bed? and other places around the house frequently. But, their fighting normally resulted in verbal arguments, so physical abuse from Nanasaki was not common. It's just this instance, where he drew blood, was the most striking that Nanasaki wrote that hitting sometimes happened—though not Takuma on him, but him on Takuma. This moment was just especially bad since Nanasaki had enough because, from what I omitted myself, is that Nanasaki came home to an empty room, watched some English dramas for a couple of hours thinking Takuma was out, and then when he went to the bathroom there he was. It truly gave him unnecessary distress and broke the catalyst he was creating. I decided to translate the scene to give more info, so you can read it here.
As you can see, the whole scene gave me weird vibes. Love? You guys are basically cats and dogs with each other... And Nanasaki has mentioned before when he first wrote about Takuma that this happens FREQUENTLY. Maybe not at the same level of violence, but there is constant verbal abuse even after that whole essay section I translated. I would not be surprised if there was another physical instance that got close to this level of bad, but so far, not mentioned. Also, their fights only ended when they two finally split off as shown in this chapter. But, it didn't seem to be what killed it. What killed their relationship was Takuma's insecurity and desire to have a "normal" life.
@Ikarirei69 Good question. I read the novel usually on the same pace with the manga to avoid spoiling myself too much before the next chapter. But from what I read, it seemed like Nanasaki would only hit Takuma in surprise like the toilet instance, and this started the moment his "tests" began which was early in the relationship. He often wrote that Takuma would sometimes hide in the closet, I think under the bed? and other places around the house frequently. But, their fighting normally resulted in verbal arguments, so physical abuse from Nanasaki was not common. It's just this instance, where he drew blood, was the most striking that Nanasaki wrote that hitting sometimes happened—though not Takuma on him, but him on Takuma. This moment was just especially bad since Nanasaki had enough because, from what I omitted myself, is that Nanasaki came home to an empty room, watched some English dramas for a couple of hours thinking Takuma was out, and then when he went to the bathroom there he was. It truly gave him unnecessary distress and broke the catalyst he was creating. I decided to translate the scene to give more info, so you can read it here.
As you can see, the whole scene gave me weird vibes. Love? You guys are basically cats and dogs with each other... And Nanasaki has mentioned before when he first wrote about Takuma that this happens FREQUENTLY. Maybe not at the same level of violence, but there is constant verbal abuse even after that whole essay section I translated. I would not be surprised if there was another physical instance that got close to this level of bad, but so far, not mentioned. Also, their fights only ended when they two finally split off as shown in this chapter. But, it didn't seem to be what killed it. What killed their relationship was Takuma's insecurity and desire to have a "normal" life.
