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I mean, wasn’t the whole twist of the first chapter that they wouldn’t be turned into girls unless they actually wanted to become girls?
A Story About High School Boys Who Woke Up as Girls One Morning - Vol. 1 Ch. 4
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That still isn't turning trans though, that's just called getting turned into a girl biologically, down to the DNA difference. If they were trans it'll be a lot more different. You cannot justify the height change and everything is down to being transgender, it's due to the manga logic of magic.
Trans is a lot more complicated than some random magic turning boys into girls, they're most likely turning into an actual girl due to all the changes to their appearance and body.
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those last two pages... lmao
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Technically, yes. But that’s like saying that the X-Men can never be a metaphor for real-life discrimination because mutants have physical differences.
Just like science fiction can delve into complicated social issues by focusing on metaphors and the like (see: Star Trek), so can a manga.
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Are we talking about the same manga? This is about the gender bend section, X-Men is completely different (+ a different genre) than this, we are talking about DNA, Physical changes, etc.
We are talking about a manga that literally is just about gender biology instead of becoming trans; how did we go from that to X-Men and Star Trek? Star Trek is literally just science fiction and that's clear. This is just the manga logic we are talking about.
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No point trying to argue with the other guy, people on the Internet cannot be convinced that they're wrong if they don't want to be convinced.
Kinda wish that certain people wouldn't conflate people becoming the opposite gender (even willingly) with being trans
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True, I should've thought of that and it's hard to convince somebody.
but yeah, certain people will conflate that, sadly. Wasn't like this before in the comments, I wish it was like that again.
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I think the issue with this discussion is that "trans" is used as both a description and identity and is sometimes used interchangeably. But it's not quite the same thing. Similar to the word "gay". You can be gay whether or not you like being identified as such. If you're into someone of the same sex to the exclusion of the opposite sex, you're gay. However you feel about gay culture, the gay identity, whatever -- the description fits and thus you're still gay.
Trans is a similar thing. If you have a persistent, non-superficial desire to be a different gender than the one you're living as, you are trans. You don't have to identify as trans for it to the case; in fact, some of the most vehement transphobes I'd ever met were in fact themselves in the closet. Classic gay pastor syndrome I guess. To be perfectly honest: I've met some really toxic/crazy people in the trans community, often enough to be sympathetic to someone who might reflexively react badly to the label. I can only apologize for their bad experience, though most of us are just folks trying to live our lives. But you can still be trans while disliking the community or even hating the word "trans". Because, well, see above. It's a description as well as an identity.
One reason I really like this manga's premise is that this curse would be great at helping people figure themselves out. If it works the way I think: If you aren't trans but have some gender feels, you'll turn back as soon as your desire is fulfilled. If you are trans, it's permanent -- for the simple reason that your desire to express feminine is endless. (keep in mind that a whole village disappeared because nobody ever turned back. I wonder if their main export were eggs?)
Trans is a similar thing. If you have a persistent, non-superficial desire to be a different gender than the one you're living as, you are trans. You don't have to identify as trans for it to the case; in fact, some of the most vehement transphobes I'd ever met were in fact themselves in the closet. Classic gay pastor syndrome I guess. To be perfectly honest: I've met some really toxic/crazy people in the trans community, often enough to be sympathetic to someone who might reflexively react badly to the label. I can only apologize for their bad experience, though most of us are just folks trying to live our lives. But you can still be trans while disliking the community or even hating the word "trans". Because, well, see above. It's a description as well as an identity.
One reason I really like this manga's premise is that this curse would be great at helping people figure themselves out. If it works the way I think: If you aren't trans but have some gender feels, you'll turn back as soon as your desire is fulfilled. If you are trans, it's permanent -- for the simple reason that your desire to express feminine is endless. (keep in mind that a whole village disappeared because nobody ever turned back. I wonder if their main export were eggs?)
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idk dude, you did the classic trans enlightened centrist thing of going through a ridiculous amount of justification to skirt around the possibility of characters just simply being trans. It's not that complicated, but your feelings on it really seem to be lol
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But it makes no sense for the character to be trans though, sure the power shows them "becoming girls" but shouldn't it turn them into a biological girl instead? It would make sense.
Trans is a completely different thing from a biological gender, which is clear and it seems like the power does.
Though idk I just barely read the manga lol
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theoretically, wouldn't trans people instantly transform then untransform ? unless its >live as< a girl, and just like cocaine once the girl lives their happiest wish while being a girl + he wanted to be a girl.. wouldn't a total mental breakdown happen ?
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I'm fucking wheezing
If it is based on satisfaction, Takahashi would never turn back.
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dunno about the english cultural thing but in my country trans is designated by how you feel about your gender, if you wish you where a women and your assigned sex at birth is not a women you are trans
And it seems the transformation is possible because they where wishing to be girl in one way or the other so I would not discard the possibility of one of them (or the three) to be trans.
Now we could talk about if a trans women suddenly become a biological women, would the trans term still applied, but we do not live in a really where this is possible so I do not think it would be a interesting discussion and we should use the term as it is used in our reality
TLDR is you wish you where born with a different gender that the one assigned at your birth your already on the trans spectrum.
And it seems the transformation is possible because they where wishing to be girl in one way or the other so I would not discard the possibility of one of them (or the three) to be trans.
Now we could talk about if a trans women suddenly become a biological women, would the trans term still applied, but we do not live in a really where this is possible so I do not think it would be a interesting discussion and we should use the term as it is used in our reality
TLDR is you wish you where born with a different gender that the one assigned at your birth your already on the trans spectrum.
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Noooo it's not permanent!!!!
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Depending on the level of teasing here.
"Hahah. Why does a guy like you like cute girly stuff?" Not worth responding with violence.
"Wow look at you! Such a insert homophobic slurs here!" and they continue to escalate, intensify the harassment -> They deserve whatever violence coming their way.
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