Abandoned ~Tsuyosugite Buki ga Kowareru Yuusha to Buki Shokunin no Elf~ - Ch. 20 - Bottomless Despair

[alacaelum]

I know it may seem dismissive of Dwant's pain and understandable rage... but even when you have "righteous fury", it is important to ask yourself... if the roles were reversed, would I have done differently?

The demon king and humanity were at war, and by the look we have on demons, they are capable of some heinous cruelty.

The dwarves, technically speaking... were prisoners of war, in the best of cases... criminals at worst, they helped the demon king to prolong a war and keep to his objective that would have enslaved the entirety of humanity.

Are the "humans" bad for executing their enemy during a time of war? Bombus married and had a daughter, and clearly had a good enough life after it ended... maybe some people resented him, but it didn't feel like he or Carrie dealt with preconceptions based on their race to the point their lives were ruined.

So here is Dwant, putting at risk his own people, looking at a situation only by one side... the later part, i will give, it is his right to do if you feel so... the former, not so much.

If he blinds himself so entirely to his own mistakes that it causes pain to the people he says to care... he allowed himself to be consumed by his own grief.

 

[broadsword80]

Mental gymnastics? Bro, they're in literal Hell suffering. No shit he wants revenge. I'll also remind you that we got WW2 for treating the losers of WW1 like shit. When it comes to stuffs like this, it just doesn't matter whose fault it actually is.

I guess we're just going to ignore WHY they're in Literal Hell in the first place, huh.

Not to mention, he's perfectly fine with sacrificing the rest of his remaining kin for revenge. HIS revenge. What about if they want to escape and rebuild? Can't exactly do that if you sacrificed everyone, you know.

Also, the Allies would have absolutely still treated the losers badly after WW2 if it weren't for the Cold War. Any sort of benefit to conquered countries was purely out of practicality, not because they actually wanted to help them.

 

[ipmanvsthemask]

"When it comes to stuffs like this, it just doesn't matter whose fault it actually is." You skipped this.

Also, the Allies would have absolutely still treated the losers badly after WW2 if it weren't for the Cold War. Any sort of benefit to conquered countries was purely out of practicality, not because they actually wanted to help them.

What's your point here? That they should be treated badly, regardless of the consequences? I literally just said WW2 came about because the losers of WW1 got like shit.

 

[Scrabbleman]

Mental gymnastics? Bro, they're in literal Hell suffering. No shit he wants revenge. I'll also remind you that we got WW2 for treating the losers of WW1 like shit. When it comes to stuffs like this, it just doesn't matter whose fault it actually is.

Exactly. There's still debate till today on whether the Treaty of Versailles was fair or otherwise. This is why it's important to keep in mind of emotions when making huge decisions, or else we'd have another apocalyptic disaster.

 

[popo53414]

 

[FeudalGrass]

Mental gymnastics? Bro, they're in literal Hell suffering. No shit he wants revenge. I'll also remind you that we got WW2 for treating the losers of WW1 like shit. When it comes to stuffs like this, it just doesn't matter whose fault it actually is.

more like we got WW2 because the treaty of Versailles weren't even enforced properly, Germany kept getting away with not paying and remilitarizing.

TIK explained it here

 

[JackdawMinuet]

That last page...is Mangaka on pain?

If you’ve tried drawing art like this, you’d salute this mangaka for his efforts.

This chapter went haaarrrdd with the art.

 

[broadsword80]

"When it comes to stuffs like this, it just doesn't matter whose fault it actually is." You skipped this.

The dwarves are clearly in the wrong, that's why. We've already been shown how evil the demons are and what they will do for their goals, and that's just ONE of them in the underground.

Carrie's father is still doing fine for himself on the surface, so hopefully the plot will address why more dwarves didn't stop assisting the demons.

What's your point here? That they should be treated badly, regardless of the consequences? I literally just said WW2 came about because the losers of WW1 got like shit.

The point is at best tangentially related, but I feel that any comparisons to real life wars are already stretching it. In this manga the surface races were engaged in a life-or-death conflict with the demons, so I'm assuming they didn't have the luxury being nice to people sympathetic to the demons.

 

[ipmanvsthemask]

The dwarves are clearly in the wrong, that's why. We've already been shown how evil the demons are and what they will do for their goals, and that's just ONE of them in the underground.

You didn't address my argument. I said it doesn't matter whose fault it is. You're supposed to rebuttal by saying why it does.

but I feel that any comparisons to real life wars are already stretching it.

Why? The dwarves are ultimately beings similar to human in consciousness, written by a person. Why can't I compare their circumstances to things people actually did and experience in real life?

more like we got WW2 because the treaty of Versailles weren't even enforced properly, Germany kept getting away with not paying and remilitarizing.

So the treaty should've been enforced properly and the Weimar economy should've been actually crushed to pieces?

 

[karmsand]

Lockheed Dwarfin's CEO shocked that he got consequences for his actions

 

[broadsword80]

You didn't address my argument. I said it doesn't matter whose fault it is. You're supposed to rebuttal by saying why it does.

If you're just talking about what Dwant thinks, then yeah it doesn't matter whose fault it is, because he's convinced either way it's the humans who have wronged him.

 

[Kampfarsch]

waaahhh waahh do you know how badly we were treated after the demons we armed lost the war?

This is like a nazi crying about the nuremberg trials hahahah

Was AI used in this panel?

Why would it matter, AI is going to happen, stop coping

 

[FeudalGrass]

So the treaty should've been enforced properly and the Weimar economy should've been actually crushed to pieces?

"the treaty of Versailles led to ww2" is incorrect in the first place when it wasn't even enforced properly, but the Nazi used that as a talking point anyway. Who knows, maybe crushing Weimar the economy to pieces would have prevented another war, can't produce weapons when they don't have factories, or at least should have done something when they were remilitarizing.

but regardless, we didn't get WW2 for treating the losers of WW1 like shit. it was that we didn't even treat them shit enough, but they used that as their propaganda talking point anyway. the treaty after WW2 were even harsher, with entire Germany occupied but it didn't lead to WW3.

 

[FeudalGrass]

In the case of Germany it doesn't help that- to my limited nonprofessional knowledge of global history- Germany was fucked over largely as a scapegoat when the actual instigators and/or those much more directly involved got off relatively lightly.

Austria-Hungary who declared war, and the Ottoman Empire were both dismantled. Germany got the lightest treatment. So who got off lightly?