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Akatsuki no Yona - Vol. 32 Ch. 185 - Longing
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I can tell you for absolute sure, if someone killed my father I wouldn't be feeling all compassionate towards him. Even if he killed my father because he thinks my father killed his father; I'd just be like "So you can really understand why I'm doing this, right?" as I nailed him.
And if he did it for revenge and not, say, because he wants to be the king, then he can prove it by giving up the kingship; for as long as his ass is sitting on that usurped throne, his melancholy cuts no ice with me.
And if he did it for revenge and not, say, because he wants to be the king, then he can prove it by giving up the kingship; for as long as his ass is sitting on that usurped throne, his melancholy cuts no ice with me.
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Now, crank open the cyanide canister!
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It was Kye-sook in the anime, so the other group spelling his name that way had nothing to do with the raws they were using. That's the official spelling, even if it's odd.
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I never understood the hate on Soo woon. The guy is highly intelligent, capable, strong, wise and responsible.
He knew his country was in a bad state under King il, He knew his uncle wasnt fit to rule and wanted revenge for his dead father, who was expected to be king.
So He did assassinate the bad king, not knowing Yona would witness it. He put his feelings for Yona (of love) and Hak (of friendship) on the side in order to improve the power of the kingdom to avoid war with other countries. He did a damn good job at that. But He found no joy in that.
I think He did what he had to do, not what he wanted. He's a very mysterious and complex character
He knew his country was in a bad state under King il, He knew his uncle wasnt fit to rule and wanted revenge for his dead father, who was expected to be king.
So He did assassinate the bad king, not knowing Yona would witness it. He put his feelings for Yona (of love) and Hak (of friendship) on the side in order to improve the power of the kingdom to avoid war with other countries. He did a damn good job at that. But He found no joy in that.
I think He did what he had to do, not what he wanted. He's a very mysterious and complex character
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"The worst peace is better than the best war."
There have been three wars since Soo-won began his reign by usurping the throne. Maybe we can ask the people of Sen Province what they think of it. (Oh, wait, we know that already.) Or the families of the dead soldiers.
Soo-won only seems a good leader because his side won, but it could've easily been the other way round. Not to mention the fact that Yona beat him to most of these events by finding out what was going on before he ever did and being instrumental in solving the problems. And she was the one who avoided a particularly bloody war with Xing, a war that would not have happened hadn't Soo-won usurped the throne.
Doing the wrong thing (betraying others) for the right reasons (supposedly setting the country in the right course) is quite the slippery slope. Because the means remain after the deed is done. If Soo-won betrayed his king, what's to say he can be trusted, say, in future dealings with the other countries? He reneged on an international treaty with the Kai Empire just because he happened to be in a position of strength. Do you think the Kai Empire, or the other countries, will be able to consider Soo-won a good faith partner?
King Il, whichever his faults, preserved the peace of Kouka Kingdom. His domestic policy might have been lousy, but it seems to be predicated on preventing war, probably as a consequence of Yu-hon's bloodthirsty wars in the previous reign. In fact, the Xing episode is almost certainly the reason why King Joo-nam decided Yu-hon was damaged goods and too violent to lead the country. Yona said so, and she's probably right. In fact, we still don't know the truth behind Yu-hon's assassination on Il's orders, or even by Il. My guess: Yu-hon was either plotting against Il, or became so belligerent he became a danger to the realm. I also bet Soo-won knows, but cannot accept that, and won't revise his notions about his father, unlike Yona, who's coming to terms with Il's shortcomings since she began her journey.
I can't stand bumbling militarists like Geun-tae, who sat in his palace and blamed all of HIS tribe's problems on the King, when Kouka is a confederation and the generals have administrative powers over their own realms. It appears that lots of Kouka's domestic problems were as much due to the generals as to Il's policies, if not more. Need I remind you that the one who did the most for the Fire Tribe was Yona, by discovering the Iza seed?
It's easy to praise Soo-won by winning wars unleashed as a consequence of his actions. But I don't buy that. And Hak was right: if this was a policy problem, Soo-won had more than enough means and skills to persuade his uncle.
Soo-won deserves to hang not only for being a traitor, but for being an aggressive leader who thinks war is the way to solve things. Without Yona, Kouka would've been plunged into warfare long ago.
He may be an improvement on his father, but he still thinks Yu-hon's actions were justified. But Yona is an improvement on HER father: compassionate, strong, wise, and with peace as her main concern. She has the right to that throne and that crown, and she can't seize them from the usurper soon enough.
And let Soo-won's body hit the floor.
"The worst peace is better than the best war."
There have been three wars since Soo-won began his reign by usurping the throne. Maybe we can ask the people of Sen Province what they think of it. (Oh, wait, we know that already.) Or the families of the dead soldiers.
Soo-won only seems a good leader because his side won, but it could've easily been the other way round. Not to mention the fact that Yona beat him to most of these events by finding out what was going on before he ever did and being instrumental in solving the problems. And she was the one who avoided a particularly bloody war with Xing, a war that would not have happened hadn't Soo-won usurped the throne.
Doing the wrong thing (betraying others) for the right reasons (supposedly setting the country in the right course) is quite the slippery slope. Because the means remain after the deed is done. If Soo-won betrayed his king, what's to say he can be trusted, say, in future dealings with the other countries? He reneged on an international treaty with the Kai Empire just because he happened to be in a position of strength. Do you think the Kai Empire, or the other countries, will be able to consider Soo-won a good faith partner?
King Il, whichever his faults, preserved the peace of Kouka Kingdom. His domestic policy might have been lousy, but it seems to be predicated on preventing war, probably as a consequence of Yu-hon's bloodthirsty wars in the previous reign. In fact, the Xing episode is almost certainly the reason why King Joo-nam decided Yu-hon was damaged goods and too violent to lead the country. Yona said so, and she's probably right. In fact, we still don't know the truth behind Yu-hon's assassination on Il's orders, or even by Il. My guess: Yu-hon was either plotting against Il, or became so belligerent he became a danger to the realm. I also bet Soo-won knows, but cannot accept that, and won't revise his notions about his father, unlike Yona, who's coming to terms with Il's shortcomings since she began her journey.
I can't stand bumbling militarists like Geun-tae, who sat in his palace and blamed all of HIS tribe's problems on the King, when Kouka is a confederation and the generals have administrative powers over their own realms. It appears that lots of Kouka's domestic problems were as much due to the generals as to Il's policies, if not more. Need I remind you that the one who did the most for the Fire Tribe was Yona, by discovering the Iza seed?
It's easy to praise Soo-won by winning wars unleashed as a consequence of his actions. But I don't buy that. And Hak was right: if this was a policy problem, Soo-won had more than enough means and skills to persuade his uncle.
Soo-won deserves to hang not only for being a traitor, but for being an aggressive leader who thinks war is the way to solve things. Without Yona, Kouka would've been plunged into warfare long ago.
He may be an improvement on his father, but he still thinks Yu-hon's actions were justified. But Yona is an improvement on HER father: compassionate, strong, wise, and with peace as her main concern. She has the right to that throne and that crown, and she can't seize them from the usurper soon enough.
And let Soo-won's body hit the floor.
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Calling it now: Kye-sook is poisoning the King
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@stewmberto nah, I think he is dying of illness and wants to set up Yona as the next ruler before he kicks the bucket
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I don't like where this is going.
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@Kendama you just summed up everything I dislike about Soo Won. I don't know if we're going to receive a big reveal to make us symphatize with him but I can't imagine a way he'll be redeeming himself. If he really wanted to rule he could have just married Yona and ruled by her side. His tactics just make ne want to puke. While ruthlessness is necessary in a leader, it's important that it's balanced with the heart of a good leader. I don't think he has that. When he was made to choose between his own pride and the life of the people he chose his pride and was willing to go to war for a man who was long dead.
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@Torrence_Jet Yeah, we need a good flashback of the events in King Joo-nam's reign. Specifically, the murder of Yu-hon, the choice of Il as successor and… the murder of Lady Kashi, Yona's mother. I think the latter may be the key, especially if she was murdered after King Il became the successor or was crowned.
That's why I was overjoyed when Tae-Jun's mother, Lady Iguni, became the first person inside the manga (Hak and Yona aside) who expressed misgivings about Soo-won. So at least one person - one who knows what it is to live next to a power-hungry man and how it may lead the people down a dark path - isn't buying the "wise, strong leader" snake oil Soo-won sells. May she be the first of many.
My guess is that if and when Yona kills Soo-won (or better yet, authorises Hak to kill him), it won't be for revenge. It will be after he goes full power-crazy and tries to put Kouka into an expansionist path of no return. In a sense, she will be doing to him what her father did to his, if my theory is correct.
That's why I was overjoyed when Tae-Jun's mother, Lady Iguni, became the first person inside the manga (Hak and Yona aside) who expressed misgivings about Soo-won. So at least one person - one who knows what it is to live next to a power-hungry man and how it may lead the people down a dark path - isn't buying the "wise, strong leader" snake oil Soo-won sells. May she be the first of many.
My guess is that if and when Yona kills Soo-won (or better yet, authorises Hak to kill him), it won't be for revenge. It will be after he goes full power-crazy and tries to put Kouka into an expansionist path of no return. In a sense, she will be doing to him what her father did to his, if my theory is correct.
