Akuyaku Reijoutachi wa Yuruganai - Ch. 10

[ARealCoolGuy]

Isn't that just webnovel thing? I don't remember actual otome games with such setting.

I've asked the same thing. For all the stories and comics I've read where they're supposedly playing around with the tropes of otome games - I can't think of many, or any, that are actually about a singular heroine who has been chosen as a saintess, going to a school full of nobles and elitism, and the heroine falling in love with the fiancees of other women.

I imagine there must be one, that was extremely popular and influential, to be referenced this much.
Surely they're not all referencing the same made up tropes of a made up videogame or story?

 

[Nijitori]

Lucien might just be the greenest flag in this series. I mean Gerald and the Prince still exist and are equal contenders in my eyes. But in comparison to Orva, Bern’s shit dad and brother, and to a lesser extent, Orva’s dad, he has has nobility and responsibility in spades. Plus, he’s handsome and intelligent & his desire for Bernadette’s happiness and for her intellect and prowess to shine is my everything.

 

[rarstyak]

I've asked the same thing. For all the stories and comics I've read where they're supposedly playing around with the tropes of otome games - I can't think of many, or any, that are actually about a singular heroine who has been chosen as a saintess, going to a school full of nobles and elitism, and the heroine falling in love with the fiancees of other women.

I imagine there must be one, that was extremely popular and influential, to be referenced this much.
Surely they're not all referencing the same made up tropes of a made up videogame or story?

It may have been mostly Albaria no Otome.

I vaguely remember a slideshow presentation on the origin of the "standard otome fantasy setting."

The key point that stuck with me was that yes, there were only half a dozen games with vaguely similar premises, and people just decided that they loved the subverting that merged 'genre' so much that we now have infinitely more otome villainess than we ever had otome heroines.

The real standard otome genre has always been otome villainesses.

 

[Liddell]

I've asked the same thing. For all the stories and comics I've read where they're supposedly playing around with the tropes of otome games - I can't think of many, or any, that are actually about a singular heroine who has been chosen as a saintess, going to a school full of nobles and elitism, and the heroine falling in love with the fiancees of other women.

I imagine there must be one, that was extremely popular and influential, to be referenced this much.
Surely they're not all referencing the same made up tropes of a made up videogame or story?

While there HAVE been games that included NTR (the FL in question was in an unhappy marriage and tried to find happiness elsewhere), the initial ’otome game’ with a fiancé-stealing heroine is purely a light novel creation. There are no otome games (that aren’t already based off these villainness novels) that exists.

So, yes, they’re all referencing the same made-up trope… Probably because editors/publishing houses all think that since this is the current trend, that everyone should keep up with this same trend.

 

[maddery]

I've asked the same thing. For all the stories and comics I've read where they're supposedly playing around with the tropes of otome games - I can't think of many, or any, that are actually about a singular heroine who has been chosen as a saintess, going to a school full of nobles and elitism, and the heroine falling in love with the fiancees of other women.

I imagine there must be one, that was extremely popular and influential, to be referenced this much.
Surely they're not all referencing the same made up tropes of a made up videogame or story?

Nope, just made up. There is no such otome game. I heard that whoever started this actually never played otome game before, and that they created the villainess genre to mock otome game players. That might explain why Japanese otome players are quite defensive and sensitive whn it comes to otome game topics.

 

[Elfteiroh]

Lucien, realizing that there’s a him-shaped-spot in the royal couple entourage for him and his future wife (tentative title), for political and and technical/academic matters…
(Sandra being the “financial and cultural advisor”, her spouse filling in for the ”martial” aspect)

Also… woah, Seraphina has some extremely sharp eyes for people, instantly knowing that she had to introduce Lucien to Bernadetta (I’m a bit lost with the names, I’m pretty sure I’m wrong).
But seriously, great leaders are not those that can do or know everything well… no, they instead excel at surrounding themselves with people that can. And Seraphina is GREAT at doing just that.

 

[beThereShortly]

Poor guy is already head over heels in love with her after seeing her sperg out for 5 minutes.
Good.

 

[Nivek]

Nope, just made up. There is no such otome game. I heard that whoever started this actually never played otome game before, and that they created the villainess genre to mock otome game players. That might explain why Japanese otome players are quite defensive and sensitive whn it comes to otome game topics.

Otome games where based on VN and Angelique that did have a rival to be queen but the whole concept of fiancee come from traditional shoji/Josei manga

 

[looc64]

Isn't that just webnovel thing? I don't remember actual otome games with such setting.

And really, most stories where the MC is the "heroine" and not the villainess don't give the villainess full fiancee status.

Usually she's just a fiancee candidate or a self-proclaimed fiancee, such that ML has zero entanglements with her.

 

[looc64]

Nope, just made up. There is no such otome game. I heard that whoever started this actually never played otome game before, and that they created the villainess genre to mock otome game players. That might explain why Japanese otome players are quite defensive and sensitive whn it comes to otome game topics.

I figure the otome game setting is a convenient excuse for there to be a bunch of eligible bachelors around.

 

[looc64]

Not a big fan of this foreign Prince... He's not thinking about why these girls are doing this, I imagine for most of them that marriage is the closest thing to security in adulthood they can get.

I do like that reading between the lines he's single because his expectations are unreasonable and most women who meet his requirements don't want him.

Like his brother said he was getting too many marriage proposals from families who don't match their status but that wouldn't be a problem if they were also getting higher status proposals.

And he complains that the girls who talk to him when he's following his father and brothers around as an aide don't actually know or care about the the government business stuff they're doing.

Which... if I'm a lady who's status is high enough to marry into the royal family... And I actually know and care about the business taking place... Then I'm probably gonna talk to someone more important than the third prince who's tagging along as an aide?

Especially if I'm good at reading people and can tell he's internally judging everyone.

Speaking of I'm guessing Seraphina introduced this dude to Bernadetta in part because she wagered his country would let him marry abroad.

 

[maddery]

Otome games where based on VN and Angelique that did have a rival to be queen but the whole concept of fiancee come from traditional shoji/Josei manga

Angelique is the first otome game. And otome game is a spinoff genre of dating sim, not visual novel.

 

[TheOne9387]

Love this one story multiple perspectives

 

[d_a_renoir]

Why do the names shift around so much. Wasn't it spelled as Melicanto or something in a previous chapter?
Did the team have a new translator? Thank you to the team for doing the TL though.

(FWIW the correct spelling is Merikanto, and Seraphina's name should be Paasivirta. Most of the names in this story are Finnish.)

I've asked the same thing. For all the stories and comics I've read where they're supposedly playing around with the tropes of otome games - I can't think of many, or any, that are actually about a singular heroine who has been chosen as a saintess, going to a school full of nobles and elitism, and the heroine falling in love with the fiancees of other women.

I imagine there must be one, that was extremely popular and influential, to be referenced this much.
Surely they're not all referencing the same made up tropes of a made up videogame or story?

Webnovel authors are conflating otome games with romance manga. Usually the trope where the rich/powerful male love interest has villainess fiancees and falls in love with a non-noble/regular person heroine are found in manga. Probably because the authors have read manga, but never really played otome games before and assume same tropes apply, or the webnovel authors are just copying each other without regard of how the actual media of manga and otome games actually work.

Otome games tend to have the male "capture targets"/romantic options being actually single. At best they only have rumoured fiancee candidates (keyword rumoured and candidate), or a past ex, or sometimes the game has older men who are widowers or divorcees, but usually the romance options have no "currently engaged partner" unless it's a game where NTR is part of the plot.