April Fool's Collection 2019 - Ch. 99 - Magical Trans! (c 99)

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Wow I didn't anticipate these kinds of reactions.

The joke part was releasing this as "vol 7 ch 777", otherwise it would get the same treatment as the other Twitter page (the valentine "special").
 
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@shouldsleep Your statement on percentages is absolutely not true. The United States alone has more than twice the number of English speakers than India and China combined. I have no idea why you think it's ignorant to say people prefer entertainment in their mother tongue. People naturally tend to enjoy things they grew up with and some technical English speakers still have a somewhat hard time with the language. You can't say it "doesn't apply to manga" for any reason because I was talking about a barrier to entry. A limitation on languages within the medium, if anything, strengthens that barrier. I would say it's ignorant to deny all of this and pretend they're just as likely. It's also odd that you critique my reasoning for India in the next sentence. First of all, it doesn't have to be one thing, it can be both cultural conservatism and lack of access. Secondly, you literally quoted me as saying it's partially due to infrastructure already. It doesn't matter for the conversation whether they've passed the US in internet users, it matters whether they've passed the US in English-speaking internet users.
 
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@shouldsleep
You're the one who picked a pointless argument with another person and now you're whining when said person answers you? The pettiness here is uncanny.
This appears to have been aimed at me, but everything you wrote afterwards makes me think you replied to the wrong person. Did I misunderstand?

@mommunism
I have no idea why you think it's ignorant to say people prefer entertainment in their mother tongue.
Fun bit of trivia: where I come from, people love watching movies in English. To us, it's the best way to learn the language AND have fun at the same time.
In fact, we generally prefer to watch movies in their original language, which might explain why the majority of our people know at least 3 different languages.

Of course, that doesn't apply to everyone, but there's a reason why over half of the screenings in movie theatres are untranslated.


Now, our population is way too small for me to make such a blanket statement as "people generally [bla]" without providing a source for that claim, but if a small European country can be that open-minded towards foreign languages, I see no reason why other countries can't.
 
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@Nolonar yeah, wrong person quoted

@mommunism Using India and China is a stupid measure, everyone knows that China has a low English speaking population. I was talking about the timezone. From the time of the post, half the world was already in April 1, which includes Australia, NZ, PH, India, among others, which still serves the purpose that half of the world, particularly with a high population density, would still have more speakers than America + parts of Europe that would have been on March 31 at that time.

I have no idea why you think it's ignorant to say people prefer entertainment in their mother tongue.
It's not the premise that's false but the conclusion. To make an analogy here let's say I make the statement, Indians make bollywood movies for Indians in the Indian language, by that premise I can say that Non-Indian speakers can't watch the movies because of language barriers.

See there, the premise is correct, but the conclusion isn't.
Your "ignorance" stems from the fact that, apart from not knowing how premise-conclusions stem form, you assume that manga has the same target audience as the people who watch things in their native language. While there is an overlap, the premise of reading manga does not require it to be in your native language, which a vast of readers can attest to.

People naturally tend to enjoy things they grew up with and some technical English speakers still have a somewhat hard time with the language. You can't say it "doesn't apply to manga" for any reason because I was talking about a barrier to entry.
Barrier to entry does not equate to the situation because
A. I already said "English speakers" which already gives the assumption that they have knowledge on the subject. It would apply IF I didn't blatantly take into account English speakers only, or if the medium requires high levels of proficiency, which neither applies.
B. The language used in manga isn't technical, most of the time
C. Guess what country contributes a lot in the movie watching industry? The Philippines. What language is their mother tongue? Not English that's for sure.

As for the India thing read your comment here
People are generally more comfortable consuming entertainment in their mother tongue and western countries are also far more likely to be on the internet, both due to their infrastructure and the fact that it was created and is centralized in the US. India specifically is also very culturally conservative, which makes manga, especially like this, harder to get into. There is no argument whatsoever to be had on your side.
I critiqued your point on India because you used "western countries are more likely to be in the internet" and "culturally conservative" as your argument. While the first is true for the moment due to percentages, the fact is that there are more Indians than people in the US browsing the internet, and the "culturally conservative" argument comes from your ignorance of the matter. They are culturally conservative in some ways but it doesn't equate to the equation. It's also a blanket statement. I could have said Americans are stupid because they voted Trump but that wouldn't make it true. That's how bad that statement works.

The it doesn't matter whether they passed English speakers bit is an argument you inserted afterwards. As for this, a quick google search shows that they have 175M English speaking internet users as of 2015. Still a high number, and were still not adding the rest of the unaccounted countries.
 
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@shouldsleep Since you apparently quoted the wrong person: I didn't pick the argument and I didn't complain that he answered. I complained that he was very obviously spouting shit even he knows isn't true.

First of all, after doing the math, it was 100% of Europe that was still in March. Your bollywood argument only proves you wrong and I have no idea why you're doing this patronizing premise vs. conclusion shit when it's very obviously the conclusion we're talking about and I never suggested otherwise. You're not even arguing against what I said. I didn't say that non-English speakers cannot possibly read English words for entertainment. I said they're less likely to. The only thing any of your arguments work against is the idea that they can, which is uncontested by literally everybody.

Just because they speak English and the language is simple doesn't mean there isn't a barrier to entry. There are still literally dozens of factors, most of which serve to strengthen the barrier. It's still completely possible that it's harder for them to read it, their friends are less likely to be into into it, stores are less likely to sell related products, etc. etc. etc. When you compound this with their relative levels of poverty, it's far less likely that they'll ever even hear about certain English mediums.

Again, more Indians that Americans browsing the internet means absolutely nothing for the conversation. I don't know why you're repeating it. I also deliberately used the term "culturally conservative" so no dumbfuck would try to counter-argue with political shit. There is no arguing whatsoever to be had when you're comparing the United States to India on cultural conservatism. India is one of the most traditionalist countries there is. Porn is literally illegal to distribute. You cannot even try to tell me that their culture is more open to shit like this, it just isn't plausible to any degree. It's unbelievably ironic for you to tell me that calling them culturally conservative comes from a place of ignorance. It's almost difficult to be ignorant enough to not know that they are.
 
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@mommunism
First of all, after doing the math, it was 100% of Europe that was still in March.
Doubtful, if the original author is a European (he didn't specify which but he did say he is, which I am inclined to believe)


The bollywood argument is an analogy
Here was your premise:
People are generally more comfortable consuming entertainment in their mother tongue and western countries are also far more likely to be on the internet, both due to their infrastructure and the fact that it was created and is centralized in the US
and your conclusion:
India specifically is also very culturally conservative, which makes manga, especially like this, harder to get into.
The statement is true, but the conclusion: makes it harder for manga to get into is a false assumption, reason, as I said earlier is difference in target audience.

The second part of the assumption (X country is culturally conservative, making it not good for foreign entertainment to enter) is an invalid premise, conservatism and entertainment are not automatically completely intertwined. For examples see: China (look at all those American movies trying to cater to Chinese audience) Japan (they even have a condition called Paris Syndrome).

Just because they speak English and the language is simple doesn't mean there isn't a barrier to entry. There are still literally dozens of factors, most of which serve to strengthen the barrier. It's still completely possible that it's harder for them to read it, their friends are less likely to be into into it, stores are less likely to sell related products, etc. etc. etc. When you compound this with their relative levels of poverty, it's far less likely that they'll ever even hear about certain English mediums.
Now this is a boatload of stupid. I already placed the English speaking and internet using population into the argument and you still assume that poverty and "their friends not being into it" into the argument?

If you can speak English and have internet in India, for example, the least you could be is lower middle class. "

Now let's dissect this paragraph shall we?
It's still completely possible that it's harder for them to read it
Uh huh. One of the countries with high IT employment, an English speaking community that uses the internet, and it's harder for them to read? Either you're belittling peoples' capacity to learn other languages(and alphabet, but the English alphabet isn't that hard to learn), or you think that reading manga is rocket science. That's concerning.

friends are less likely to be into into it
Friends not being into it" is a general issue and not just one part of the world has it, which discludes it as a point of contention and if you include this argument, then SEA countries immediately rise to the top of the consumption chart because of their easy access to the media and their lack of negativity to the Japanese culture.

stores are less likely to sell related products
What? Why is this even a part of the argument in reading manga. Really. Because a store not having figures or physical copies of manga totally affects entrance to the medium. You do know that rarely does that come into the equation. Normally it is anime first, then whatever comes next, not the other way around.


And now this paragraph
Again, more Indians that Americans browsing the internet means absolutely nothing for the conversation. I don't know why you're repeating it. I also deliberately used the term "culturally conservative" so no dumbfuck would try to counter-argue with political shit. There is no arguing whatsoever to be had when you're comparing the United States to India on cultural conservatism. India is one of the most traditionalist countries there is. Porn is literally illegal to distribute. You cannot even try to tell me that their culture is more open to shit like this, it just isn't plausible to any degree. It's unbelievably ironic for you to tell me that calling them culturally conservative comes from a place of ignorance. It's almost difficult to be ignorant enough to not know that they are.

First here an earlier statement from you
and western countries are also far more likely to be on the internet
You are the one who said westerners are more likely to be in the internet. I did not insert that argument. My point was that this premise is false from the beginning as from a numbers standpoint, India alone breaks that statistic.

Now about the cultural conservatism. Like I said earlier. cultural conservatism and entertainment are not mutually inclusive. You also make it seem like manga is some godforsaken taboo that getting into the medium is that hard. It's not, particularly with their English speaking population (which would be the target demography here, not everyone and anyone), which is why the "cultural conservatism" argument is stupid.

Also
porn is illegal to distribute
Yet they rank as third in consumption of porn. A fine example of a premise not necessarily resulting in an assumed conclusion.
 
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@shouldsleep There's so much wrong with what you've said I honestly don't care to try. This is one of the most brain-dead arguments I've ever heard and you were fundamentally wrong about almost everything you said in this comment. I don't care to argue with somebody this moronic, there's no way this is worth my time.
 

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