Asuperu Kanojo - Vol. 10 Ch. 76 - Sex (First Half)

[Oeconomist]

You could have answered the original question

I answered the question that you actually asked. From the beginning, you just really wanted to ask a different question without asking it.

which was completely unambiguous

but not the question that you subsequently pretended and pretend to have asked.

The second post was also neutral, but again, you chose to take offense.

Your second post contains such non-neutral passages as

you didn't want to answer the question, you could have saved the valuable joules it took for you to think of this stupid non-answer

You seem to be one of those people who rewrite the history of their own behavior even as the record of it stares the whole audience in the face.

Being retarded on the internet is a choice

The choice to argue badly here has been yours.

talk like a normal human being

You've not given us a single example of those words that you cried were too long.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I answered the question that you actually asked. From the beginning, you just really wanted to ask a different question without asking it.

So you saw the words I typed out, turned around, imagined other words, and decided to reply to those.

Again: Being retarded on the internet is a choice. And for some reason you keep making the choice to do it every single time. You could have just said "Naw, I'm not answering that question", and avoided being retarded on the internet.

You seem to be one of those people who rewrite the history of their own behavior even as the record of it stares the whole audience in the face.

Considering you ignore everything everyone says to turn neutral conversation into retarded internet arguments, I'm not surprised the line triggered you.

The choice to argue badly here has been yours.

You: "I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Also you: "You're arguing badly"

You've not given us a single example of those words that you cried were too long.

I'm smart enough to know when the challenge is insincere. If you need me to point out examples, then I guess English really is your second language, and you really never learned vernacular.

 

[Oeconomist]

So you saw the words I typed out, turned around, imagined other words, and decided to reply to those.

No, I just and answered the question that you actually asked:

What do you mean?

and then prodded you as to why that question would be asked.

You could have just said "Naw, I'm not answering that question", and avoided being retarded on the internet.

My answering your question hasn't made me look bad; your subsequent contortions have made you look crude and dishonest. That's okay with me.

Considering you ignore everything everyone says to turn neutral conversation into retarded internet arguments, I'm not surprised the line triggered you.

And that's how you respond to being caught-out in a lie.

You: "I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Also you: "You're arguing badly"

I point to what you actually said. You intensify the insults and dishonesty.

I'm smart enough to know when the challenge is insincere.

It's insincere in the sense that I know that you cannot defend with examples your claim that I were using overly long words. So, instead of what would be evidence

If you need me to point out examples, then I guess English really is your second language, and you really never learned vernacular.

you give a sneer. shrug

 

[Eighty-six]

So you saw the words I typed out, turned around, imagined other words, and decided to reply to those.

Again: Being retarded on the internet is a choice. And for some reason you keep making the choice to do it every single time. You could have just said "Naw, I'm not answering that question", and avoided being retarded on the internet.

Considering you ignore everything everyone says to turn neutral conversation into retarded internet arguments, I'm not surprised the line triggered you.

You: "I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Also you: "You're arguing badly"

I'm smart enough to know when the challenge is insincere. If you need me to point out examples, then I guess English really is your second language, and you really never learned vernacular.

I'm not sure if this is worth it, at this point.

Two separate people ended up pointing out just how your initial question and its intentions were clear, and how they couldn't be anything else but what you meant-- he had to humor the possibility that you were impaired only after the fact (which still doesn't make sensible the decision to say the exact same thing but with more words and no added value).

Even if you were questioning in bad faith, for one to then respond in bad faith (instead of cutting off conversation or just not responding) is a waste of everyone's time.

Unless the respondent values that very waste.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I'm not sure if this is worth it, at this point.

Two separate people ended up pointing out just how your initial question and its intentions were clear, and how they couldn't be anything else but what you meant-- he had to humor the possibility that you were impaired only after the fact (which still doesn't make sensible the decision to say the exact same thing but with more words and no added value).

Even if you were questioning in bad faith, for one to then respond in bad faith (instead of cutting off conversation or just not responding) is a waste of everyone's time.

Unless the respondent values that very waste.

You make a good point. Another guy spent a whole paragraph trying to clarify my question unnecessarily, and all we got was mentions of the "Author's worst tendencies", which still leaves me wondering what exactly he's talking about. I don't even know when this supposed change happened yet.

As a side note: I'm glad we don't have to disagree about everything. <3

 

[Oeconomist]

Two separate people ended up pointing out just how your initial question and its intentions were clear

You didn't take that position initially, but shifted from insisting that he must have meant to ask what he actually asked after to insisting that he must not have intended to ask what he actually asked after that failed. The other “separate” person who adopted this second position was of course BuyVelomobiles, who did so after you'd begun flogging it; and he's literally been caught out lying about other things that he's said.

to then respond in bad faith

It wasn't a response in bad faith; it was a response openly skeptical of the questioner's motivations, which skepticism grew to simple disbelief only in the face of his subsequent comments. Had his follow-up comment been to the effect that he'd expressed himself badly, and had he then stated just what he wanted to ask, I would have tried to answer that question.

Now is as good a time as any to note that neither of you have just simply stated to the supposed intended initial question; that question has had to be disentangled from his outburst endorsing your pontifications.

You make a good point.

Nah, he's just licking your wounds, and now you his. shrug

 

[SUPER7X]

Official Vol. 10 is out, so you can read up through Ch. 82 if you want.

 

[Eighty-six]

You make a good point. Another guy spent a whole paragraph trying to clarify my question unnecessarily, and all we got was mentions of the "Author's worst tendencies", which still leaves me wondering what exactly he's talking about. I don't even know when this supposed change happened yet.

As a side note: I'm glad we don't have to disagree about everything. <3

I haven't butted heads with you enough times (and hopefully, butting heads like that won't be typical), but at least the last time we got in a row, it was still about the manga in question.

As far as the editor changes: the author wrote of the first editor leaving in a note at the end of volume 4. He names, presumably, the succeeding editor in a volume 6 note.

I can't especially tell what he was referring to-- I think part of it might have to do with Yokoi's fetish segments (others complained about those in prior chapters like chapter 30), since he later talks about "repugnant things", "perverseness" and "attractions" he thinks the author wants to "normalize". But, the first such segment was in volume 1, and the socks in this chapter made their debut in volume 4. And we're barely off of at least 16 chapters of a story arc that involved confronting Saitou's past of child abuse and bullying, so I don't imagine that's what being talked about.

You didn't take that position initially,

I hope butting heads with you won't be a typical occurrence, either, but part of avoiding that is clearly going to involve you avoiding flagrant dishonesty about words of mine that can be verified with a click and a scroll-down.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I haven't butted heads with you enough times (and hopefully, butting heads like that won't be typical), but at least the last time we got in a row, it was still about the manga in question.

That second half was a little confusing to read. Either you remember it being about this manga (It was not), or you're glad the argument wasn't personal, and was limited to the manga.

As far as the editor changes: the author wrote of the first editor leaving in a note at the end of volume 4. He names, presumably, the succeeding editor in a volume 6 note.

Well now I have a frame of reference for when these changes supposedly happened.

I can't especially tell what he was referring to-- I think part of it might have to do with Yokoi's fetish segments (others complained about those in prior chapters like chapter 30), since he later talks about "repugnant things", "perverseness" and "attractions" he thinks the author wants to "normalize". But, the first such segment was in volume 1, and the socks in this chapter made their debut in volume 4. And we're barely off of at least 16 chapters of a story arc that involved confronting Saitou's past of child abuse and bullying, so I don't imagine that's what being talked about.

I don't know why you're the one giving me the clear answers here. No offense. This really should have been what the other guy followed up with instead of trying to steal the title of Resident Autist from me. But he can't read, so all I've got are your guesses. Thanks.

 

[Oeconomist]

I hope butting heads with you won't be a typical occurrence, either, but part of avoiding that is clearly going to involve you avoiding flagrant dishonesty about words of mine that can be verified with a click and a scroll-down.

Since the only dishonesty in this thread has come from the two of you, you have good reason to expect that none will come from me in future. I trust the audience to have observed your shiftiness and his more clumsy lying.

 

[Eighty-six]

That second half was a little confusing to read. Either you remember it being about this manga (It was not), or you're glad the argument wasn't personal, and was limited to the manga.

I'm talking about the last time we got in a row about another manga. We were (ultimately) talking about the quality of said manga, instead of-- as in here-- having arguments about supposed disingenuousness wherein it's firstly assumed and then responded to with disingenuousness.

So, the second thing you said, I think.

I don't know why you're the one giving me the clear answers here. No offense. This really should have been what the other guy followed up with instead of trying to steal the title of Resident Autist from me. But he can't read, so all I've got are your guesses. Thanks.

To further account for the gamut of his criticisms: I can't say that I even remotely see Yokoi becoming "stupider" in his decision making. For the most part, you're supposed to evaluate his decisions in terms of their consequences, and he always makes sure to have an internal monologue about said consequences, regardless of how good they are-- meaning that there's always some conscious authorial purpose for whatever decisions he makes. Adding that he's usually definitive in these monologues, I don't think a decreasing aptitude in "conscious understanding" is narratively possible. Comparing him to how he was in the beginning, when nearly everything you can think of was different (and when he was still making mistakes, miscalculations, and totally sympathetic errors) also doesn't seem fair at all.

The massive Yonago arc-- where Yokoi pulls out all the stops to help Saitou confront her childhood traumas in a constructive way-- wasn't that long ago, and putting aside what he generally did, I don't recall him making any stupid decisions within that enveavor.

I don't know-- were you thinking anything about that?

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

So, the second thing you said, I think.

Definitely the second thing.

I don't know-- were you thinking anything about that?

Honestly, I think he's stuck in "Will this make her kill herself?" mode despite her making clear progress. She doesn't want to die, and she's not actively opposed to reproducing anymore (At least she's not begging him to kick the shit out of her if they have sex). It's annoying, but it makes sense, since she's a nutcase, and he's not that much better himself. If I had his ear, I'd tell him it's about time he starts letting her know what he wants for her; starting with "Yeah, don't fuck other people". Probably also explain, very clearly, that if he was going to get rid of her, he would have done it right at the start, when she was at her most annoying as a suicidal stalker/freeloader.

 

[Akikako]

so, all the seriousness in the latter chapters is thrown in the trash can....... And, MC, what lesson do you want to teach to your autistic GF, exactly? Than unconditional "Yes" make no sense.

 

[Eighty-six]

If I had his ear, I'd tell him it's about time he starts letting her know what he wants for her; starting with "Yeah, don't fuck other people". Probably also explain, very clearly, that if he was going to get rid of her, he would have done it right at the start, when she was at her most annoying as a suicidal stalker/freeloader.

I don't think her concern is just about him ridding himself of her, though. Before that concern, there's his body's breaking down specifically because of all the work he puts in to support both himself and Saitou. He can't hide or handwave that cost, so Saitou's fully aware that his deteriorating condition is largely her fault-- but she can also barely help being severely maladjusted. I know she said that she doesn't want to die, and that's a massive step forward, but recall that that's her moving from "actively wanting to die" and that she still feels as if she'll die if she's separated from Yokoi, or even if she leaves by herself-- presumably whether she wants to die or not.

On one hand, I don't think it's safe for Yokoi to not still actively evaluate "will saying this make her kill herself" with every conversation-- the "Stress" arc was all about him not doing that after overestimating her progress, and contributing to a stress in Saitou that culminated in a panic attack wherein she didn't even realize she was trying to kill herself.

On the other hand, the groundwork was already made in this chapter's conversation for Yokoi to reject the idea of doing sex work. They already acknowledged that it was taxing, and Takamatsu in particular was none the better for taking it up. I agree that he totally could have shot down the idea without issue.

Saying all that, honestly, I cautiously have high hopes for how this arc will conclude.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I don't think her concern is just about him ridding himself of her, though. Before that concern, there's his body's breaking down specifically because of all the work he puts in to support both himself and Saitou.

You've got it backwards here. Her primary concern is being abandoned. There's a whole history of abuse, abandonment, and neglect she's working here. Her primary concern in all of this is being such a burden she'd be abandoned. After that comes the continuing toll on his body, but even when they talk about the issue, it's always in the context of her being abandoned. It's not that she doesn't care, but rather that she can only contextualize it fully in terms of whether he keeps her or not.
You'll remember she couldn't stop going into hysterics about being hated and abandoned the moment he started peeing blood.

Again, not because she didn't care, but rather, because those are the terms she can fully grasp the situation under.

On one hand, I don't think it's safe for Yokoi to not still actively evaluate "will saying this make her kill herself" with every conversation-- the "Stress" arc was all about him not doing that after overestimating her progress,

He didn't overestimate her progress, for the record. I know it's been a while, but he just lost his patience: He was thoughtless. Had he had the presence of mind to consider her condition, he would have evaluated it like that.

On the other hand, the groundwork was already made in this chapter's conversation for Yokoi to reject the idea of doing sex work. They already acknowledged that it was taxing, and Takamatsu in particular was none the better for taking it up. I agree that he totally could have shot down the idea without issue.

It's a recurring theme where her outbursts are caused by him not setting honest, clear boundaries. The Stress arc started when he said he didn't like something, and instead of explaining precisely how small of an issue it was for him, he left it at "Yeah, I don't like this", and left it all to her (very Autistic, and very negative) interpretation. So "Yeah, it's not my favorite thing" got turned into "MY HEART.IT BREAKS WHEN SOMEONE PUTS ME NEXT TO SOMEONE ELSE! AND I HATE ANYONE THAT WOULD DO SOMETHING SO AWFUL TO ME". Obviously you would realize that Yokoi is annoyed by the act, but doesn't find it to be a huge deal. Obviously you realize that he would appreciate your not doing it, but wouldn't hate your guts if you did it every so often.

You'd realize it, of course, if you weren't moderate-to-severely Autistic, and dumber than average. She is both of those. What she needs, and has needed more than anything else, is boundaries.

When she asks if it's ok for her to do sex work, a clear, honest answer is more productive than whatever this calculus is.

When she worried about you abandoning her, a clear, honest outlining of the thing she'd have to do to make you abandon her helps more than "Naw, it's fiiiine, you do whatever". His concern that she'll interpret his answers on the matter to mean he'll leave arbitrarily is accurate. Acquiescing to her every hypothetical like this is counter-productive.

And by God, when she's worried you hate her, it helps to explain how you feel. Not knowing what people think, and how they feel is, like, the whole issue with Autism in the first place. Just explaining himself and making up on the spot would probably do wonders to avoid panic attacks.

She works best with clear, predictable rules to follow. Stress only happened because the rules that had been set were violated by Yokoi when he snapped at her questions.

 

[sotokouya]

was expecting more coom comments because of the chapter title

 

[Unregistered_Hypercam]

I was expecting more comments about the chapter or how she was so sex repulsed earlier in the series but now wants to be a porn star. Not arguing

 

[ia_zero]

Progress?

 

[longlonton]

When will the next chapter comes out? I can’t wait 😭

 

[nhernandez90]

When will the next chapter comes out? I can’t wait 😭

Since the series is done, idk why it's taking so long for the English translation to kick in. Spanish translators already have it completed. Spoilers tho the series felt kinda axed imo. Quality dipped after volume 5-6 and the ending felt kind of underwhelming IMO.