Backstabbed in a Backwater Dungeon: My Party Tried to Kill Me, But Thanks to an Infinite Gacha I Got LVL 9999 Friends and Am Out For Revenge - Ch. 13…

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"Someone appeared"

That doggy's got good eyes, 'dere...

"A wild LIght appeared..." LOL

Seriously, I think it's cool that Light gave them the chance to repent.
 
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He's left each of the countries he's crushed, officially before they got attacked by the Witch, every champion or leader he's taken out was done out of sight. The dwarf and the flesh golem were even taken down in a isolated space, with barriers around it that blocked magic and even telepathy. All the humans he's rescued, he either rescued as a fairly famous adventurer, or had the Witch rescue, and those rescued by the Big Tower are building a country around the tower. Who knows anything of any value, and who do you think they would be spreading word to?
Yeah, a famous adventure that stands out for being a human who conquers dungeons levels that even the other more powerful races have trouble dealing with. He keeps using the same identity over and over again everywhere he goes, which soon after something big happens that topples the current power structure. You don't think that people would notice that and put the two together. That he's the same guy who keeps appearing everywhere, that the humans he saves wouldnt talk about him, that word wouldn't spread, and people would pick up on this. Now that he's been seen with the witch, even more dots will be connected.
 
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I love how Grailm is throwing pure facts and logic, but everyone here is basically: "You don't understand the setting, do you? These people are made to be so stupid and so evil, that none of that matters."
lol

And gotta say, kinda respect this test. We all expect nothing but power-tripping-fantasy here, I fully expected the party to just blow the beastmen up, and move along while sneering.
Actually taking the time to find a normal person amongst them, and changing their plans accordingly, is some decent writing. I didn't expect the author to even consider anything BUT revenge-porn.
Facts and logic only if you pretend people don't actually act like this in reality. Some people's ego are so high up they are blind to everything around them. MC is also just one human out of the many of his race, majority who are miserably weak in this particular story. If in reality, a god appears among chickens and people claim to have seen it but don't have actual visual proof, do you really think others would suddenly respect chickens and stop treating them as livestock?

Besides, at the end of the day maybe it doesn't matter if people eventually connect the dots? So far we haven't seen anyone on his level except perhaps the ancient relics. Grailm said MC brought down half of the world already, in that case does it really matter if someone notices at this point? You can't bring back the half that was lost and now you can only defend your remaining half with doubtful chance of victory, the advantage is with the MC.
 
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Ok, so he's brought down half the world at this point. After this, you'd have to be living under a rock to not have a good idea of who you're dealing with. After this much damage theres no way word hasnt spread to the rest of the world.
There are at least 13 wars on the planet right now, with over 90 countries in conflict. If you can name just the top 5 conflicts off the cuff I'd be very surprised. And you have the internet and global news to learn from.

Here people learn news from messengers, bards and tradesmen, where the vast majority of the population of each nation do not travel or intermix with other nations, and where at least some of them are actively trying to keep their encounters with Light's faction a secret.

Even between governments, it's actually that easy to withhold information. It does not appear like there is much exchange of information at the highest level except at their regular summit, which hasn't happened even once yet within the story's timeline. If they didn't send couriers, the other nations wouldn't know what happens in others...especially if their default mode is to mistrust each other.

The series has almost spelled all this out for you. Even Light wouldn't know what is happening in each countries if not for his extensive cheat intelligence network, which if nothing else has the benefits of absolute loyalty and instantaneous communication. And yet, notably he has very little information on the demon and dragonnewt countries. And the baddies themselves have articulated how they don't know much of what is going on in X or Y country. Nobody even knows the Elves have been subjugated, let alone the Dark elves or dwarves working with him.

And if that's the case for affairs that affect whole countries, imagine how much information about "Dark" the adventurer has gone around. Especially if the claim is that what other races essentially consider a monkey has achieved some great feats.
 
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I love how Grailm is throwing pure facts and logic, but everyone here is basically: "You don't understand the setting, do you? These people are made to be so stupid and so evil, that none of that matters."
lol
Pure facts and logic? You mean this fantasy idea of everyone in the remaining half of this medieval world getting news from unspecified "logical" sources?
 
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Yeah, a famous adventure that stands out for being a human who conquers dungeons levels that even the other more powerful races have trouble dealing with. He keeps using the same identity over and over again everywhere he goes, which soon after something big happens that topples the current power structure. You don't think that people would notice that and put the two together. That he's the same guy who keeps appearing everywhere, that the humans he saves wouldnt talk about him, that word wouldn't spread, and people would pick up on this. Now that he's been seen with the witch, even more dots will be connected.
First of all, it would be a lot more suspicious if there was a different human appearing out of nowhere at each of these crime scenes, rather than the most famous lowly human adventurer getting invited by the state to investigate all these new dungeons. He's a human that comes in does his job of killing a few monsters, mapping some floors, and bringing in some valuable materials, then he leaves the country before things get dangerous, like the cowardly human he is. Everything else you've heard about him, is clearly just the humans trying to bump up his achievements with obvious exaggeration, to prop up a legend they can call their own.
As for being seen with The Witch, he's an adventurer, he will go anywhere they pay him to, and has been hired by several countries already to do similar jobs, and he's a human, it's obviously in his best interest to help with that anti-Human slavery pact.
 
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First of all, it would be a lot more suspicious if there was a different human appearing out of nowhere at each of these crime scenes, rather than the most famous lowly human adventurer getting invited by the state to investigate all these new dungeons. He's a human that comes in does his job of killing a few monsters, mapping some floors, and bringing in some valuable materials, then he leaves the country before things get dangerous, like the cowardly human he is. Everything else you've heard about him, is clearly just the humans trying to bump up his achievements with obvious exaggeration, to prop up a legend they can call their own.
As for being seen with The Witch, he's an adventurer, he will go anywhere they pay him to, and has been hired by several countries already to do similar jobs, and he's a human, it's obviously in his best interest to help with that anti-Human slavery pact.
Actually, he hasn't been seen with the Witch, isn't that the case?

Who's seen him? The Beastkin couldn't see through the firewall he made in the current battle. They are all likely to die soon anyway. He showed himself to Miya because that's the identity she knows him by. The rest of the humans might have glimpsed him, but they're in his domain now, and Light cheekily moved the spotlight from himself to Miya as the human's savior.

Between that, and the other stuff you pointed out about "Dark's" reputation, I think there is still quite a large gap in information connecting Dark to anything.

Not only that, even if one day "Dark" accrues too much attention, isn't that the point of the disguise in the first place? A disguise is useful because you can do stuff while in it...then shed it and suddenly everything associated with it is no longer associated with you. One day "Dark" disappears and that's it.

Associating with the Witch is also fine because that too is just a front. It's also something that can be discarded once no longer useful, it's a shadow nation that doesn't really exist.

Another interesting point would be that the whole reason Chaos was introduced was to take over the persona of a small boy figure who associates with the Witch. It's precautionary and for now not necessary, yet there's the fact that they've already anticipated a future where the "Dark" identity becomes less discreet, and still use that for their own purposes by having a body double.

This manga isn't complicated as people keep pointing out, nothing I've said or you've said is subtle or interpreted information. It's stuff the characters are literally saying themselves, in plain and direct speech.
 
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Ok, so he's brought down half the world at this point. After this, you'd have to be living under a rock to not have a good idea of who you're dealing with. After this much damage theres no way word hasnt spread to the rest of the world.
they left no witnesses though....
 
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Pure facts and logic? You mean this fantasy idea of everyone in the remaining half of this medieval world getting news from unspecified "logical" sources?
Yes.
Who knows how much time has passed between each event, and every single time that group's actions was cataclysmic. I don't care enough to start numbering them all, but it's particularly egregious when a human(?) witch dominates an entire country of elves, and then eradicates an entire army of beastmen. Surely there are spies of very powerful individuals strewn about, and at this point, surely enough time has passed for this critical info to establish itself: There's a group of humans that are more powerful than anything they've ever seen before.

Combine that with the MC's "Clown" getup, i.e: his 3-men coverup party (knight, assassin and himself) -- and they obviously made a name for themselves. People can piece together enough to pay more attention to them, for the very least.

That being said, it's not like anyone can point at the MC's face and go: "It's him, watch out!" -- sure, but for the very least, anyone with an information network should know to be even a little bit wary, if they ever come across a group of humans that don't immediately shit themselves on the sign of conflict.
 
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Yes.
Who knows how much time has passed between each event, and every single time that group's actions was cataclysmic. I don't care enough to start numbering them all, but it's particularly egregious when a human(?) witch dominates an entire country of elves, and then eradicates an entire army of beastmen. Surely there are spies of very powerful individuals strewn about, and at this point, surely enough time has passed for this critical info to establish itself: There's a group of humans that are more powerful than anything they've ever seen before.

Combine that with the MC's "Clown" getup, i.e: his 3-men coverup party (knight, assassin and himself) -- and they obviously made a name for themselves. People can piece together enough to pay more attention to them, for the very least.

That being said, it's not like anyone can point at the MC's face and go: "It's him, watch out!" -- sure, but for the very least, anyone with an information network should know to be even a little bit wary, if they ever come across a group of humans that don't immediately shit themselves on the sign of conflict.
I'm not sure you can claim to be operating on facts and logic when you immediately begin by making assumptions that are not based on any verifiable fact other than you feel it should be so.

Lets talk facts. We do not see extensive intelligence networks belonging to the non-human races in the manga story. Those guys behind the Beastmen have one, but literally said they haven't shared what little intel they have with the other remaining nations, so that's all there is. You could criticize the author for something you may consider unrealistic, but historically it has happened and especially so with cloistered and isolated states. We don't need to assume if it's the case here, we don't see any such thing. If you're going to argue with 'facts', how about starting with facts?

If that's not enough and you insist there's no way the setting can follow any other premise, there's countless classic examples of such things in history. We don't even have to dig very far down the list of famous downfalls....both Western and Eastern Roman empires, among the largest states of their time, fell with much of the rest of the world not realizing, sometimes for years. Including their neighbors, vassals and subject lands. There's so many reasons why, not least of which communication relies on infrastructure, which tends to collapse when a nation falls. So even your 'constructed' fact doesn't appear to have much merit. We don't have to talk about whether it's likely, only plausible. Because such unlikely but plausible scenarios have happened in history...prominently, I might add.

That's my long-winded way of saying you're literally ignoring the facts that are plain on the manga pages themselves for no good reason.

And aren't you only covering half the scenario? We do see Light engaging in considerable efforts at counter-intelligence, which you have completely disregarded mentioning. None of this is happening in a vacuum. Efforts to hide and compartmentalize information can be very effective, and in medieval settings, can even hide details about whole countries. He has legions of loyal followers, including animals, and we also see, plainly, that he carefully prepares the 'stage' every time he appears in public. If you wanted to make educated guesses, you would begin here, which would have led you to at least speculate he tightly controls the flow and form of information that is spread regarding his group.

The 'Witch' is a front, and one which is grounded on the basis of her being a dragon tamer. 'Dark' has fewer accomplishments than you think he does. For example, nobody even knows what happened in the Dark Elf dungeon, it simply collapsed and they were the only ones to live is the only concrete information available, and that's all he wants anyone else to know. Chaos has also been introduced as a potential body double so that 'Dark' doesn't have to be associated with Light in the future and even an association with the "Witch", if it were ever found out, can still be a useful misdirection tool. This whole arc is about the secret taskmasters of the Beastmen not having enough information except what Light wants them to know, and everyone else having almost none.

Again, what facts are you and Grailm talking about? Maybe you should care more and start numbering the group's 'actions', and maybe you'll realize you're not standing on much of a leg there. Word is getting out about the "Witch", not some grubby human who got lucky a few times, who Light is deliberately spreading misinformation about, and who one day can simply disappear...because he doesn't really exist.
 
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tnh i hope author dont use too many scene with mera in future , she is evil and her ability disgusting.. why no use iceheat more or the fairy maids in combat? even the low level maids are far stronger than normal ppl
 

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