Battle in 5 Seconds After Meeting - Vol. 4 Ch. 34 - Partner

[Koyomiya]

did someone actually say he's autistically focused on winning LOL. priorities dude

 

[Haremmony]

So, how does the Sophist Ability works with only tenth percent power/effectiveness? The most logical answer would be that the ability it sophisticated into will be same as if the Copy Ability did it itself.

To be honest, i think both girls are perfect partner for different situation;
-Yuuri is perfect when Akira is about to engage in frontal brutal battle.
-Ringo is perfect when Akira is in an intelligence gathering mission.
And Akira being an efficient strategist he is, will certainly tries to at least not lose any of them.

 

[WillLi]

@Haremmony I think Yuri is always his best partner, cause she's simple minded enough to actually be able to convince herself that his ability is something in an instant, but smart enough to have a malleable brain to keep doing it. I like Ringo's attitude, but honestly I don't think she can bring anything to benefit Akira, cause she looks upto him to much and will just try to be him, He doesn't need someone who is just gonna try to be him.

 

[Haremmony]

@WillLi, solid point, but i think you're discrediting Ringo a bit much when this chapter is the only one we have with her direct-interacting with Akira. Plus, that last bit with Ringo trying to become him is a false information.

Spoilered cuz length.

Spoiler

Ringo's simply a fan of Akira, not that she wants to be like him or even beat him on WLP. Also, doesn't she said it herself in this chapter that her trump card of worth lies in her ability to KNOW other's Ability, not that she can Copy him and become another Sophist.

In regards to Ringo's attitude compared to Yuuri, it's true that perhaps Yuuri is easier to... manipulate, but considering Ringo's adoration to Akira and how that generally make her can't keep her cool when confronting him, it gives Akira about the same leverage to manipulate her. Lastly, as it's implied that she herself is a good player of WLP, and sans her clumsiness when interacting with her idol and her cowardice stemmed from diffidence with her less combat-oriented Ability, is a strategic and tactical thinker, she should understand and react to Akira's premeditated or on-the-spot schemes better.

But well, i guess only future chapters will prove if Ringo can really bring to the tables something different or more than what Yuuri could.

Now that's outta way, there's something that i'm very curious about, what would happen if Ringo copies Yuuri's? Tenth percent of 5 is 0.5, if her physical prowess got multiplied by 0.5, doesn't that make her weaker?! XD

 

[Azhotype]

@AkiTooru
It was AKIRA in chapter 1 but in chapter 2 it was KEY. This inconsistency wasn't explained yet. Likely it won't be explained and it's just an error.

 

[Mogima]

harem is the best route

 

[WillLi]

@Haremmony I get what you're saying, but what you described about Ringo's benefits, aren't the benefits of a partner, but for a subordinate. What he needs from a partner is someone who can cover his weaknesses, which is mainly in situations where he can't get his ability to work, or someone to cover him while he does something else. He needs essentially a bodyguard. Which is what Yuuri is. Also the reason I think Ringo will try to become too much like him is because of that adoration. She is so similar to him but he is to her knowledge pretty much better in every way, it would be weird if someone didn't try to become someone who they admire, and has the same skill set as them but better. And that's her problem, she doesn't have anything to offer him that he doesn't already have other than her ability to find out other people's abilities, which don't get me wrong, is very valuable, but it's not what you'd want in a partner, but rather a subordinate, or a single member of a larger group. Not saying Ringo isn't useful, but for a pairing with Akira, you want to get as far away from his skill set as possible, since he's ultra specialized in 'tactician' play.

 

[Aerovia]

Dude. I find this highly suspicious.

Ringo should have been valuable due to her ability, yet the Red team threw her away. They could have used her to identify every newcomers in opposing teams.

What are they thinking? Unless... Ringo copied one of abilities among Red Team and made it seem to be her own ability. Which is actually clever.

Well now I am curious as to how Akira formulates a strategy with Ringo involved.

 

[Me]

Well, it has taken a while, but our man is finally activating his harem-master field.

 

[Haremmony]

@WillLi, If you're saying Ringo is more akin to a subordinate, then i say Yuuri is more akin to a bodyguard herself, rather than a partner. Both of which isn't necessary bad, and like i said in my initial comment, has their uses for specific situation.

I think you're too focused on the word "partner" and its definition and forgetting why Akira even need a partner in the first place. Remember, Sophist ability has a risk of the user not gaining the desired effect thanks to the differing imagination and understanding of an ability between the user and the "other person". Hence one safety measure to get rid of this risk is to make the "other person" think of an ability they already have witnessed firsthand. This is why his very first Sophisticated Ability is Cannon, an ability basically shown for "free" to every contestants at the beginning. Now, i don't agree with your "Two tactician equals wasted potential" bit, but even then you can't deny that thanks to her ability, Ringo has more abilities to offer for Akira's arsenal than Yuuri.

 

[greatninja3]

@WillLi but she is better in getting himself new abilities with her she doesn’t need to much imagination on the skill department given on the last fight if the 5x girl imagine the wrong type of teleportation or try to take a very complicated ability then she is not the best but with glasses girl she reads the ability and just think whatever is written there. So he’ll definitely better at defending himself plus MC’s ability has no 1/10 of a power,does it weaken the thinking ability of the opponent to think of an ability? Idk. Also how does it works if she copied an ability with the MC’s ability if the ability she’d end up getting using MC’s power will still have 1/10 strength or not. We’ll find out along the way I guess

Tbh it would be best if he played both of them like a fiddle as long as none of them is a yandere his safe.

 

[Hachi015]

Too bad 1st female troupe will come on top at the end...




Mion where u at now?!

 

[Haremmony]

@Hachi015,

*reminded that thanks to Mion showing her Cannon skill at the beginning of the game, Akira hasn't lost once yet*

You know... you might be onto something here. XD

 

[WillLi]

@Haremmony @greatninja3 You guys are thinking that she eliminates the risk, but she actually doesn't. Ringo knows a person's ability when she -uses- it like she said. So like Yuuri she still has to -see- the ability to know what it is. Yeah she can grab a few abilities that the opponent never used and use them herself. But if Akira doesn't see it then there is still the problem of his image and her image not matching. Also however there is the risk of mistakes when 'multiplying the power by 10' even now we're confused as to how her power would work on him. So taking someone's ability they don't know what it is, and then multiplying it by 10 actually gets kinda vague. Just like Yuuri's "5x" was vague. All Yuuri has to do is see a power and she can think of it for him as long as he identifies it. Ringo can learn powers but still has to show them to Akira or he can't really use them. It's not that huge of a difference in how much of a power dictionary they are for him, Ringo just will learn some things 'easier' but it wont effect how much Akira knows that much.

He can use both of them, but it doesn't look like Ringo is going to be satisfied with that honestly. I could be wrong, but I doubt Ringo will be happy with anything other than being his #1, and as soon as a fight breaks out it'll show that it's Yuuri simply because of trust. Cause Yuuri isn't cunning, he can trust her sincerity with ease, and he's been through more with her.

Also though I believe it was said before that Akira's power didn't 'activate' with her. Probably because she actually copied his power, not what it was copying, that's how she found out he needed a partner.

 

[Haremmony]

@WillLi, On contrary, i felt that it's you who are thinking that Yuuri doesn't possess risk at all.

You forgot didn't you? That Ringo actually can KNOW an ability without using it, copying it is enough.

Also, you did a typo. It's multiplying by the 10%, not 10 times.

Hey, your preferential treatment is getting a bit too obvious there.

Um, just because she doesn't get anything similar to Cannon when Ringo tried to copy Akira's ability, she can deduce it's an ability that need partner? That's kinda stretching. I mean, unlike her who could only rarely show off her ability, everytime Ringo sees Akira he never have any difficulty using Cannon, he even uses it at ease. When she failed to copy his Cannon, the only information it offers are that Cannon is not Akira's true ability and his true ability allows him to use Cannon at will. Even if she notices Yuuri at his side everytime, it's more logical to assume it's because they're already acquaintance from previous program. Moreover, she knows that Yuuri's ability doesn't have anything to do with Cannon. The only way she can deduce Akira's true ability is dependent on some kind of "other person" before knowing it from the man himself is if her ability also automatically supplies her with said information. I mean, this is why Akira is immediately shocked when Ringo stated that his ability requires a partner for optimal use, he may had let people deduced that Cannon isn't his true ability, like the Green Team Leader, but he has been very careful and secretive about the "other person" part.

 

[WillLi]

It's multiply by 10times because she uses 10% which is a tenth so to know the real power you have to multiply by 10. And Ringo herself said she has to -use- it to know what it is. I mentioned that in my last post.

Spoiler

Now even if she finds it out without having to use it and she meant using her own ability. That still doesn't help Akira, cause he can't use a power he doesn't know. He still has to see the ability to understand what it's capable of. And there are downsides to both, but at least Yuuri has a top tier ability that increases her survivability and lowers the chance of her getting knocked out in a fight and leaving Akira without help.

Ringo is a great asset for finding out people's abilities secretly, but all she does as a partner is increase the number of powers Akira can get slightly. Her own combat ability is lacking because of her lack of own talent, and that she's only using 10% of whatever she copies. Like even with abilities as strong as Yuuri's, that isn't much. It's like a 50% boost to her physical abilities, as opposed to Yuuri's 5x. If she copies a lower rank ability it'll do almost nothing. Like invincible for 0.2 seconds, good luck using that in a fight.

You're putting too much stock in gathering abilities. It's very useful to be able to change yes, but if you haven't noticed Akira has only used like 3 abilities this whole time. Because what's doing all the heavy lifting is his mind. He doesn't need a huge number of abilities to be potent, especially not when he has one of the best abilities already. Since Akira needs to understand the ability as well(otherwise he wont be able to stratagize with it), going out and getting abilities he's never seen wont mean much to him. And I doubt Ringo's copy last forever to bring it back to him. Also if Ringo can't accurately imagine the real version of the power there will likely be some weirdness with what comes out when passed to Akira, that's an assumption though.

 

[Haremmony]

@WillLi, and you're underestimating the very point of stocking usable abilities for Akira's use greatly.

Also, aren't you exaggerating a little with the "10% power only" trait being a total hindrance?
Ringo's ability gives her the information of the full version, not the already cut at 10%, she only need to convey that.

 

[WillLi]

@Haremmony I doubt that information she gets is an actual complex read out of the physics behind the ability. For instance if she got "Can make explosions" like you said. How big are the explosions? What kind of explosions? How fast can you rapid fire it? Are you protected from the explosions? Can you make multiple at once? All of those are questions that if Akira has the wrong information could result in him dieing if he had to rely on the ability. That's why -he- needs to know the details of the ability before he uses it, and I doubt Ringo gets all that information, so -seeing- it is the best way to learn it.

Also having a lot of choices is not always a good thing, have you heard of "Choice paralysis"? And no matter how smart Akira is he has to rely on the -other- person's memory. Ringo has to remember specific details of every ability she copies or there is risk of her getting it wrong and we end up with the explosion thing above. This is why Ringo does increase his ability to gather abilities but only by so much. Cause the only ones they can use are ones that they can accurately and reliably understand. That's why when he brought up using teleport Yuuri mentioned that they hadn't practiced that one before. They both saw it, but they still didn't know that much about it. It was just luck that the situation called for the kind of teleport that they witnessed.

 

[Haremmony]

@WillLi, that will not be the problem for Akira, because the point of stocking is not so that you could use all of them, but you can be selective and compare which will be the best combination set. For our MC who had already established to be strategic, this could serve as interesting contents for future chapters.

You are still going on with the "still need to see it" argument? Even if that's true, the truth of the matter is, Ringo still provide more possibility than Yuuri in that regard. If anything this is a good thing because this mean our Protagonist didn't suddenly became OP, and still need to brainstorm, which is basically the main appeal of this manga.

 

[WillLi]

@Haremmony You just said it yourself. He's not gonna use all the abilities. Yes Ringo provides more abilities, I've said that. But Akira doesn't -need- a bunch of abilities. He just needs a few. And it's not like he can't gather abilities with Yuuri. You forget that plenty of people are going to -use- their abilities because most people aren't actually suited for combat without them. So what is grabbing a few more abilities going to do to help Akira? Not that much. Also it's worth mentioning that they can always -think up- abilities in the first place. Telepathy for instance. So there isn't much value in the copy. The value is in having someone conscious that can quickly adjust in their mind what your ability is while doing their own thing so you don't have to protect and babysit them.