Binbou Kizoku Nord no Boukentan - Vol. 2 Ch. 10

[MangaDex]

 

[Hicleric]

Gettin' them Ark flashbacks...

 

[Shuzuchi]

I'm here, once again, to call his parents no-good losers.

Kid's risking his life to eat into the debt and we get no insight into what his parents are doing to solve things. Except tryna make more kids[debt].

 

[Scallywag96]

Thanks for the new chapter! Can't wait for the next one

 

[ZenMasters]

I'm here, once again, to call his parents no-good losers.

Kid's risking his life to eat into the debt and we get no insight into what his parents are doing to solve things. Except tryna make more kids[debt].

While that is true, it's also thanks to them that we got an astonishingly admirable-personality of a MC.

 

[Tds-PdV]

I’m guessing him falling to the dung will end up helping him sneak through….

 

[Bireus]

I’m guessing him falling to the dung will end up helping him sneak through….

* Me bothered about where I live currently but better than his current situation
I'd have a heart attach falling into dragon shit.

 

[SeryjVolk]

The work that went into the chapter is really visible. It reads well and looks great!

I'm here, once again, to call his parents no-good losers.

Kid's risking his life to eat into the debt and we get no insight into what his parents are doing to solve things. Except tryna make more kids[debt].

You're trying to apply modern individualist values to a medieval fantasy. It's implied he's living in a society where family members are obligated to help each other to the full extent of their ability. The bigger the family, the more safe and stable it will be when all the children mature. It's hard for him to support his big family now, but once all his siblings are established, he'll have a big support network if he himself is ever in trouble.

 

[77BLc9JwJGpLVARkamJx]

Oh no overpowered pet time?

 

[Rexipman]

Jeez man, the amount of redrawing in this chapter is nuts. I can't blame you for wanting to take a break

 

[jovik]

good

 

[WindOcean]

The work that went into the chapter is really visible. It reads well and looks great!


You're trying to apply modern individualist values to a medieval fantasy. It's implied he's living in a society where family members are obligated to help each other to the full extent of their ability. The bigger the family, the more safe and stable it will be when all the children mature. It's hard for him to support his big family now, but once all his siblings are established, he'll have a big support network if he himself is ever in trouble.

Well, he doesn't have an adventurer rank known for slaying wyverns.
His mother must be knowingly sending him to his death or be completely oblivious to his (suicidal) character.

*She should have known that he'd do stupid

 

[Shuzuchi]

The work that went into the chapter is really visible. It reads well and looks great!


You're trying to apply modern individualist values to a medieval fantasy. It's implied he's living in a society where family members are obligated to help each other to the full extent of their ability. The bigger the family, the more safe and stable it will be when all the children mature. It's hard for him to support his big family now, but once all his siblings are established, he'll have a big support network if he himself is ever in trouble.

And you're applying some modern, collectivist values. They had a lot of kids in the past because there was no way of really knowing how many would make it to adulthood (and also contraceptives weren't that great nor in vogue). I'm mad those irresponsible idiots are compelling their oldest children to struggle because of shite planning. You know how else you can create a support network? By making allies and marriage. And, if you plan properly, neither of those create a debt so large that your second oldest son has to risk his life to hunt a dragon just to pay a portion of it.

Yeah, "obligated to help each other". Again, what the fuck are the parents doing to solve their debt? Your son is consistently giving you money so you and his siblings can eat and then you tell him 'actually, our debt is astronomical and you have to solve it faster so your sister can get married'. If I were a parent like that, I'd emancipate my kids so at least the debt would die with me. They are terrible providers because we've seen them provide nothing except more siblings. I understand that is the fault of the way the narrative is being told but I don't have to like it. And it's weird that you're trying to normalize it like shite things are okay because they happened in a fake past.

 

[SeryjVolk]

Well, he doesn't have an adventurer rank known for slaying wyverns.
His mother must be knowingly sending him to his death or be completely oblivious to his (suicidal) character.

*She should have known that he'd do stupid

No one forced him to risk his life. He must think he's capable of doing it and surviving if he's taking the chance. He's sort of on the clock, but at worst, his sister won't be able to marry for a few more months. Nothing to risk your life over.

And you're applying some modern, collectivist values. They had a lot of kids in the past because there was no way of really knowing how many would make it to adulthood (and also contraceptives weren't that great nor in vogue). I'm mad those irresponsible idiots are compelling their oldest children to struggle because of shite planning. You know how else you can create a support network? By making allies and marriage. And, if you plan properly, neither of those create a debt so large that your second oldest son has to risk his life to hunt a dragon just to pay a portion of it.

Yeah, "obligated to help each other". Again, what the fuck are the parents doing to solve their debt? Your son is consistently giving you money so you and his siblings can eat and then you tell him 'actually, our debt is astronomical and you have to solve it faster so your sister can get married'. If I were a parent like that, I'd emancipate my kids so at least the debt would die with me. They are terrible providers because we've seen them provide nothing except more siblings. I understand that is the fault of the way the narrative is being told but I don't have to like it. And it's weird that you're trying to normalize it like shite things are okay because they happened in a fake past.

How is he "struggling"? He was afforded food, board, education, equipment and training that made him into a man capable of earning money so effectively to to begin with. He's still very well off considering the average of his world even with having to support his family. Hell, even just over a 100 years ago, kids still worked deadly jobs in the coal mines and factories at half his age. He himself is also part of why that debt exists. Children were an investment: the parents spent money, time and resources on raising him and now he's expected to pay them back. But even then, they're not forcing him to repay the debt or die trying. It's his own decision to take a risky job.

The parents are obviously doing their best to deal with the debt. It's not as if they're leading a lavish lifestyle while he works hard. And once the debt is paid, he can live for himself and start his own family. And since the other kids are growing up and the older ones are supporting themselves already, new debt won't accumulate. Even now the debt isn't catastrophic, just concerning, it would gradually disappear as everyone chips in even without him doing anything drastic. You're acting like he was born into lifelong slavery or something.

You're being silly by judging characters, behaving by what's obviously antiquated morality, by modern standards in the context of a fantasy story. Even by modern standards, he's not paying back his parents' gambling or drinking debt or something, but the money they spent to take care of himself and his siblings. So they're financially irresponsible at worst, not bad people.

 

[WindOcean]

No one forced him to risk his life. He must think he's capable of doing it and surviving if he's taking the chance. He's sort of on the clock, but at worst, his sister won't be able to marry for a few more months. Nothing to risk your life over.

1. He himself says/implies that this is risky.
2. At worst he'll die and his sister is not going to marry.
3. If it's nothing to risk your over, why is he doing it!?

 

[WindOcean]

The parents are obviously doing their best to deal with the debt.

Making more children

 

[Shuzuchi]

No one forced him to risk his life. He must think he's capable of doing it and surviving if he's taking the chance. He's sort of on the clock, but at worst, his sister won't be able to marry for a few more months. Nothing to risk your life over.


How is he "struggling"? He was afforded food, board, education, equipment and training that made him into a man capable of earning money so effectively to to begin with. He's still very well off considering the average of his world even with having to support his family. Hell, even just over a 100 years ago, kids still worked deadly jobs in the coal mines and factories at half his age. He himself is also part of why that debt exists. Children were an investment: the parents spent money, time and resources on raising him and now he's expected to pay them back. But even then, they're not forcing him to repay the debt or die trying. It's his own decision to take a risky job.

The parents are obviously doing their best to deal with the debt. It's not as if they're leading a lavish lifestyle while he works hard. And once the debt is paid, he can live for himself and start his own family. And since the other kids are growing up and the older ones are supporting themselves already, new debt won't accumulate. Even now the debt isn't catastrophic, just concerning, it would gradually disappear as everyone chips in even without him doing anything drastic. You're acting like he was born into lifelong slavery or something.

You're being silly by judging characters, behaving by what's obviously antiquated morality, by modern standards in the context of a fantasy story. Even by modern standards, he's not paying back his parents' gambling or drinking debt or something, but the money they spent to take care of himself and his siblings. So they're financially irresponsible at worst, not bad people.

Are you reading some light novel no one else is privy to? You're making definite statements that are not reflected anywhere in the manga. Congrats on gaslighting enough to make me doubt myself enough to go and check. His siblings weren't an investment. They were in debt with their very first child and then kept having children while their debt ballooned. 20 years of increasing debt. I never said they were villains but they are insanely irresponsible. Also he is not living equal to the work he is putting in. Chapter 8 explains all the things he could be doing or experiencing if he wasn't tightening his belt to pay off his parents' debt. Or his parents had tightened their belts and stopped creating more debt(children).

You don't win an award for reminding people "it was the past" when someone says who says "slavery was fucked. I can't believe buying and selling people was a widespread practice".

I don't feel the need to continue this as you're arguing in bad faith.

 

[SeryjVolk]

1. He himself says/implies that this is risky.
2. At worst he'll die and his sister is not going to marry.
3. If it's nothing to risk your over, why is he doing it!?

1) Yes, but he's still doing it, so obviously it's a risk worth taking.
2) At worst in the current situation, which he himself entered. Before, the worst thing that could have happened was his sister marrying a year later.
3) He wasn't shown to be a mad thrill-seeker, so he's obviously doing it because he thinks it's a risk worth taking for the rewards.

Are you reading some light novel no one else is privy to? You're making definite statements that are not reflected anywhere in the manga. Congrats on gaslighting enough to make me doubt myself enough to go and check. His siblings weren't an investment. They were in debt with their very first child and then kept having children while their debt ballooned. 20 years of increasing debt. I never said they were villains but they are insanely irresponsible. Also he is not living equal to the work he is putting in. Chapter 8 explains all the things he could be doing or experiencing if he wasn't tightening his belt to pay off his parents' debt. Or his parents had tightened their belts and stopped creating more debt(children).

You don't win an award for reminding people "it was the past" when someone says who says "slavery was fucked. I can't believe buying and selling people was a widespread practice".

I don't feel the need to continue this as you're arguing in bad faith.

Are you serious? Do you need things literally spelled out for you? All the things I've mentioned are obvious from the context.

For how terrible their debt is, a single person, the hero, is doing tremendously well covering it. It's only risky for him because he's aiming to do it quickly and working a dangerous job. So why would his parents not have kids over money problems, if the kids paying them back for any debt they accrued raising them when they grow up is a viable option? It's a positive for both the parents and the kids. It's not as if they live in modern times where families like that become a drain on the taxpayer.

As for him not spending that money on himself instead, that's you bringing modern morality in it. Western individualist morality to be specific. His parents supported him all his life and gave him the tools to succeed in their society. Why wouldn't he return the favor by helping them? Chapter 8 isn't there for you to feel bad for him not living it up, it's there to show that he's a filial son resisting temptation to help his family instead. His sister is doing the same by working as a maid.

And yes, the historical context is important in this argument. Because you're judging these characters by modern morality. Doing that will reduce any story set in pre-modern times to "everyone in the story is evil, dumb or selfish". Even if they are kind, wise and honorable people by their society's standards. Our generation will also be seen as evil, dumb and backward by the future generations. That is always the case in history, civilizational collapses aside.

 

[WindOcean]

1) Yes, but he's still doing it, so obviously it's a risk worth taking.
2) At worst in the current situation, which he himself entered. Before, the worst thing that could have happened was his sister marrying a year later.
3) He wasn't shown to be a mad thrill-seeker, so he's obviously doing it because he thinks it's a risk worth taking for the rewards.

Are you serious? Do you need things literally spelled out for you? All the things I've mentioned are obvious from the context.

For how terrible their debt is, a single person, the hero, is doing tremendously well covering it. It's only risky for him because he's aiming to do it quickly and working a dangerous job. So why would his parents not have kids over money problems, if the kids paying them back for any debt they accrued raising them when they grow up is a viable option? It's a positive for both the parents and the kids. It's not as if they live in modern times where families like that become a drain on the taxpayer.

As for him not spending that money on himself instead, that's you bringing modern morality in it. Western individualist morality to be specific. His parents supported him all his life and gave him the tools to succeed in their society. Why wouldn't he return the favor by helping them? Chapter 8 isn't there for you to feel bad for him not living it up, it's there to show that he's a filial son resisting temptation to help his family instead. His sister is doing the same by working as a maid.

And yes, the historical context is important in this argument. Because you're judging these characters by modern morality. Doing that will reduce any story set in pre-modern times to "everyone in the story is evil, dumb or selfish". Even if they are kind, wise and honorable people by their society's standards. Our generation will also be seen as evil, dumb and backward by the future generations. That is always the case in history, civilizational collapses aside.

I'm of the opinion that you're making things up.

I won't argumentatively "proof" my opinion.

 

[SeryjVolk]

I'm of the opinion that you're making things up.

I won't argumentatively "proof" my opinion.

How can you argue for your opinion if you didn't even mention what it was that you think I made up?