Binetsu Kuukan - Ch. 30

[zHIST]

She "gave up her own body"? Fuck off, she just tried to rape him. What an amazing way to make a victim out of a rapist.

Japanese authors be like.

I really liked this manga before this retarded arc. It had an interesting thing going on, and was somewhat different from others in a way it did things. Until now that is, fucking hell...

 

[Takuto96]

Yeahhh figured as much that they'll just brush off the rape with a whiteknight and apology. Welp.

Shame that there's probably gonna be zero consequences on Ikuno after this. I will turn a blind eye to that ONLY, just only, if she stops bothering them and appears less.

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[PSRTExperience]

I can't believe Minoru prioritizing her feeling over his supposed best friend. I hope the two main characters cut them both off after this.

 

[Meyahviing]

I guess I'm the only person in the world that doesn't hate Ikuno. Has she been a terrible person? Absolutely. But imo she has been quite aware this whole time that she's been awful (especially after Minoru called her out back during their first meeting). She's also aware that Amane will never love her back romantically. I feel like the concept here is that love can be an extremely painful thing, you feel powerless to your own emotions and it's like you're helpless as you watch yourself become something you hate. And that goes tenfold for a teenager hopped up on hormones. Out of all the characters in the manga, no one hates Ikuno more than Ikuno does right now. Now that the storm has passed, she has a chance to reassess the kind of person she wants to be.
I'm not excusing her horrible actions as a person, I'm just giving my take on what I believe is the purpose of her character arc in this story, and maybe I'm weird but I don't hate it (although I can also understand not wanting drama in my fluff).

 

[Monn12]

I guess I'm the only person in the world that doesn't hate Ikuno. Has she been a terrible person? Absolutely. But imo she has been quite aware this whole time that she's been awful (especially after Minoru called her out back during their first meeting). She's also aware that Amane will never love her back romantically. I feel like the concept here is that love can be an extremely painful thing, you feel powerless to your own emotions and it's like you're helpless as you watch yourself become something you hate. And that goes tenfold for a teenager hopped up on hormones. Out of all the characters in the manga, no one hates Ikuno more than Ikuno does right now. Now that the storm has passed, she has a chance to reassess the kind of person she wants to be.
I'm not excusing her horrible actions as a person, I'm just giving my take on what I believe is the purpose of her character arc in this story, and maybe I'm weird but I don't hate it (although I can also understand not wanting drama in my fluff).

You are excusing and being empathetic. I for one didn't hate it happening, i hate it how it was brushed under the rug. Her actions and thoughts are criminal. Her age is appropriate to get punished, she isn't 7 or 9 to get a slap on her wrist.

Bottom feeder, that's what she is. Lesbian? Go and find same people like you through social networks, they exist. I remember a gay guy was interested in me, he invited me out for a drink and confessed (we were 18, people in this manga are 17, and it happened quite a long time ago). I rejected him but after that we had a pleasant conversation, he told his history and even ways of finding like minded people. We left on a bittersweet note. Mind you my country is more homophobic than Japan. He was a guy "on hormones" but somehow we managed to have a grown up conversation...Stop enabling idiotic behavior based on age.
BY LAW ALMOST EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD IF YOU ARE AGED 14 AND MORE YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE BY LAW.

 

[Meyahviing]

You are excusing and being empathetic.

I specifically said I wasn't excusing her actions, I was just giving my take on her from a storytelling perspective. Sometimes, characters do awful things in order to tell a specific story or send a specific message, and I wanted to share what I felt that message was.

 

[Monn12]

I specifically said I wasn't excusing her actions, I was just giving my take on her from a storytelling perspective. Sometimes, characters do awful things in order to tell a specific story or send a specific message, and I wanted to share what I felt that message was.

First things first let's look up definitions:
Excusing:
seek to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offence); try to justify.
empathetic
/ˌɛmpəˈθɛtɪk/

adjective
showing an ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

Her take on all of that is obvious for many, hormonal last ditch effort to sabotage everything between them. I can also be empathetic since i've done something in similar tone.
I had a thing for a girl, she ignored me but i knew she liked my friend. So i just straight went to him and told him about her feelings. It was one of those stupidest things i've done during my teenage years (15-16). I felt immediately bad after that (i was drunk too), to this day i still cringe at the thought of what i've done, despite living more than double the years it happened. It was done with malicious thoughts, just to please me. If they get together ok, i didn't care but i wanted to get it over with, her indecisive behaviour gave me hope and I decided to squander her hope or give her a push (hoping for the 1st).
This behavior doesn't need understanding, excuses or empathy it was straight up bad and evil. As for FMC her behavior is 10 times worse than mine. And instead of trying to make amends she also made cowardly retreat with the help of his friend (who isn't a good friend towards MC TBH).

 

[Meyahviing]

Excusing:
seek to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offence); try to justify.

I never justified her actions or said she wasn't at fault. I talked about the emotions and conditions that led up to it, but she's still responsible in the end and I never claimed she wasn't.

Empathetic
/ˌɛmpəˈθɛtɪk/

adjective
showing an ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

Yes, I am using empathy to try and see things from her point of view. This is how I consume stories. Even if a villain is unforgivable, I still want to think about what's going through their head. I often find it to be an important part of experiencing the story in its entirety.

Sorry about your various teenage romantic snafus btw.

 

[Monn12]

I never justified her actions or said she wasn't at fault. I talked about the emotions and conditions that led up to it, but she's still responsible in the end and I never claimed she wasn't.

Yes, I am using empathy to try and see things from her point of view. This is how I consume stories. Even if a villain is unforgivable, I still want to think about what's going through their head. I often find it to be an important part of experiencing the story in its entirety.

Sorry about your various teenage romantic snafus btw.

The problem with empathy is that whenever used it also brings excusing behavior almost every time. For my personal blunder, i still hate my past self for doing so, i accepted it and changed but that small hate is still left. Same for Ikuno, i hate her (maybe a too strong of a word, dislike her). If she would have acted more gracefully AFTER her blunder that could have averted that, but her actions throughout the manga was bad and her latest fiasco was just too much.

It's like after this, normally many people would check that person out permanently from their life. I.e. There needs to be a cooling off period, but i suspect with them there won't be and life will go on as usual with some tension in the air.