Black Madougushi Guild wo Tsuihousareta Watashi, Oukyuu Majutsushi to shite Hirowareru - Ch. 6

[Saon]

That was pretty good, thank you for translations : )

 

[Grikath]

What? This manga get reverse harem tag?
Fuck I thought this will be focus on just Male Lead and Female Lead

Meh.... "reverse harem" is just more than two males chasing the pretty bird.
That's not a harem, that's the usual gaggle of suitor wannabees.

 

[Dwarfy2k]

About those who insulted her, no consequences whatsoever on the spot? There should be some repercussions at the very least, maybe to their reputations in general. It should be made public that they made such insults towards the one who saved the queen/princess.

I think they died.

As for the guards, they are terrible for princess guards. Weaker then FMC against the shadows and didn't restrain the possible poisoner and only on the person whom tried to save said princess. If in doubt restrain both.

 

[Eraviel]

MORE.

AND PLEASE NO REVERSE HAREM

 

[AnonDePlume]

Reverse harem??? I don’t remember anyone other than Luke who held romantic interest in her in the novel… am I remembering wrong?

 

[DeadKinginHell]

What the heck are you talking about? If Noel stopped moving the target will be dead?
Did you miss the page where Noel was still moving AND the target was about to get killed?

Not to mention she already shown an option that would keep the VIP safe: Do you remember what she did before



At least when the fighting began, they actually focus on protecting the VIP, unlike another person who forgot that her job is priority is protection



It's almost like this is a secret operation, to not ruin the atmosphere.

Sigh.... In an assassin's case, an assassin is impossible to move like Noel. An assassin would move more quietly so that he could kill the target, the same way as the fake butler here. He would only move exaggeratedly when he's already exposed, but not from the start, unlike Noel who start from making a huge jump while screaming about the existence of the poison, making everyone aware of its existence and moving towards the princess/queen while turning her back on her. Of she was the assassin, she would be facing her.
If they were competent guards, they would be able to make this judgement instead of just saying "a chibi like you can't be a royal magician", which is why they should be fired for incompetence, or at the very least their promotions for higher positions should be made the hardest possible. Why? Because them pointing their swords at Noel by stupid suspicions when Noel was clearly trying to protect the assassin's target by these actions alone is proving that they don't have good judgement skill, which is detrimental in protection duty and could even prevent Noel from protecting the target, which could get the target killed and make the mission fail. Try to do some analysis again kid.

 

[WhimsiCat]

Sigh.... In an assassin's case, an assassin is impossible to move like Noel. An assassin would move more quietly so that he could kill the target, the same way as the fake butler here. He would only move exaggeratedly when he's already exposed, but not from the start, unlike Noel who start from making a huge jump while screaming about the existence of the poison, making everyone aware of its existence and moving towards the princess/queen while turning her back on her. Of she was the assassin, she would be facing her.
If they were competent guards, they would be able to make this judgement instead of just saying "a chibi like you can't be a royal magician", which is why they should be fired for incompetence, or at the very least their promotions for higher positions should be made the hardest possible. Why? Because them pointing their swords at Noel by stupid suspicions when Noel was clearly trying to protect the assassin's target by these actions alone is proving that they don't have good judgement skill, which is detrimental in protection duty and could even prevent Noel from protecting the target, which could get the target killed and make the mission fail. Try to do some analysis again kid.

She actually

You want to talk 'incompetence'? Sure let's see how badly Noel's plan suck too while at it, maybe you'd want her to get fired for 'not having good judgement' (it's in her character btw)

When Noel first leapt up, the assassin was literally right next to the target.
Instead of just tackling him, she went for the wine glass that was merely in the target's hand.
Just by her flying in alone would've made the target not drink the wine out of surprise, she didn't need to slap it away at all.
If the assassin was willing, he could've used the moment NOEL DISTRACTED EVERYONE, to just stab the target right then.

Keep in mind that Luke established earlier that it would be a slow acting poison to hide the true culprit, so it's not like the target would die immediately even if she did ingest it.

Also, I'd like to point out again since you seem to keep to ignore it:
But they WERE coming around to listening to her
Note how the last bubble was circular compare to the spikier ones before, denoting less tension in how they said it.
Basically they reacted to the one person who remained next to the VIP (the butler stepped back at first) then as they started to de-escalate things, the assassin act.

Oh also, while at it, maybe you should actually re-read the chapter since you seem to be making shit up

unlike Noel who start from making a huge jump while screaming about the existence of the poison, making everyone aware of its existence and moving

https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/20
https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/21

She did not say a single word about poison.

 

[DeadKinginHell]

She actually

You want to talk 'incompetence'? Sure let's see how badly Noel's plan suck too while at it, maybe you'd want her to get fired for 'not having good judgement' (it's in her character btw)

When Noel first leapt up, the assassin was literally right next to the target.
Instead of just tackling him, she went for the wine glass that was merely in the target's hand.
Just by her flying in alone would've made the target not drink the wine out of surprise, she didn't need to slap it away at all.
If the assassin was willing, he could've used the moment NOEL DISTRACTED EVERYONE, to just stab the target right then.

Keep in mind that Luke established earlier that it would be a slow acting poison to hide the true culprit, so it's not like the target would die immediately even if she did ingest it.

Also, I'd like to point out again since you seem to keep to ignore it:
But they WERE coming around to listening to her
Note how the last bubble was circular compare to the spikier ones before, denoting less tension in how they said it.
Basically they reacted to the one person who remained next to the VIP (the butler stepped back at first) then as they started to de-escalate things, the assassin act.

Oh also, while at it, maybe you should actually re-read the chapter since you seem to be making shit up



https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/20
https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/21

She did not say a single word about poison.

She did say it. Go read the chapter again. She jumped from the lower floor right after finding the real butler and running below the next floor. Then she screamed to the princess not to drink it, after that she screamed that it's a poison. But instead of examining, those idiots just pointed their swords at her. Can't you even read?

 

[DeadKinginHell]

She actually

You want to talk 'incompetence'? Sure let's see how badly Noel's plan suck too while at it, maybe you'd want her to get fired for 'not having good judgement' (it's in her character btw)

When Noel first leapt up, the assassin was literally right next to the target.
Instead of just tackling him, she went for the wine glass that was merely in the target's hand.
Just by her flying in alone would've made the target not drink the wine out of surprise, she didn't need to slap it away at all.
If the assassin was willing, he could've used the moment NOEL DISTRACTED EVERYONE, to just stab the target right then.

Keep in mind that Luke established earlier that it would be a slow acting poison to hide the true culprit, so it's not like the target would die immediately even if she did ingest it.

Also, I'd like to point out again since you seem to keep to ignore it:
But they WERE coming around to listening to her
Note how the last bubble was circular compare to the spikier ones before, denoting less tension in how they said it.
Basically they reacted to the one person who remained next to the VIP (the butler stepped back at first) then as they started to de-escalate things, the assassin act.

Oh also, while at it, maybe you should actually re-read the chapter since you seem to be making shit up



https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/20
https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/21

She did not say a single word about poison.

Go read from page 22 of the chapter 5. Instead of hearing her they just pointed blade at her. Which actually make me feel suspicion at them. Are they actually guards or are they working with the assassin? In fact, them pointing swords at her even giving time for the assassin to make movements aiming at the princess. Look at what happened in chapter 6. That's why, they are incompetent and need to be punished.
You're the one making things up here, kiddo.

 

[WhimsiCat]

She did say it. Go read the chapter again. She jumped from the lower floor right after finding the real butler and running below the next floor. Then she screamed to the princess not to drink it, after that she screamed that it's a poison. But instead of examining, those idiots just pointed their swords at her. Can't you even read?

I did, and no she didn't. Feel free to post the page Noel call out the wine is poisoned if you can find it instead of imagined it.

"You're the one making things up here, kiddo."

EDIT: You know you can edit your post instead of posting twice, implying your lack of knowledge in doing so?

 

[DeadKinginHell]

I did, and no she didn't. Feel free to post the page Noel call out the wine is poisoned if you can find it instead of imagined it.



EDIT: You know you can edit your post instead of posting twice, implying your lack of knowledge in doing so?

She mentioned it after she knocked the wine down from the princess's hand.

 

[WhimsiCat]

She mentioned it after she knocked the wine down from the princess's hand.

You know I literally linked the pages that happened earlier?
https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/20
wine knocked
https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/21
call him assassin
https://mangadex.org/chapter/29b9a2f0-3b52-4861-a7b8-5b68ba82f2a4/22
swords pointed, still no mention of poison

Maybe you should take your own advice and go read the chapter again.

You're the one making things up here, kiddo.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Our MC, with her partner, succeeded. She was never alone, and pretending that because she didn't do absolutely everything alone despite people sabotaging her efforts she "failed" is ignoring facts.

Saying "Don't drink that!" is enough. No need to mention any poison.

The guards pointed their swords at someone who came between them and their charge, who had her back towards the supposed target, who in turn would be dead if MC was actually an assassin. Then they held her up and let the real assassin prepare an attack, despite being made aware of the threat. They did the equivalent of tackling someone shouting "Gun!" in a modern setting while turning their backs to the gun.

Asking her for verification is good and all, but there's a time and place, and that was not the time.

You could argue that a more defensive strategy would've worked better. Maybe it would, but maybe that would give time for even more clones to appear and overwhelm her. Which they almost did anyway. You could also argue that without the guards' "help", they all would've dealt with the threat better. But those are all what-ifs and what-nots.

"No guests ware harmed" Yup, no guests, just the guards the guests brought with them to the party, shown dead on the floor a few pages back, but yes, no guests ware harmed.

No one of importance or competence was harmed.

EDIT: You know you can edit your post instead of posting twice, implying your lack of knowledge in doing so?

This is the dumbest shit you've said all thread.

 

[WhimsiCat]

blah blah

My point was more that if the guards' 'failures' were so critical that they deserve firing in the other guy's eyes, why did they ignore how Noel didn't choose the 'optimal' options either (like not just taking out the assassin from the go when dude was literally handling the target the wine glass, this whole fight could've been skipped with that)

I don't care about her not being perfect, her being unga bunga idiot is part of why I'm reading this series, I just don't like the other guy's attitude.

Then they held her up and let the real assassin prepare an attack, despite being made aware of the threat. They did the equivalent of tackling someone shouting "Gun!" in a modern setting while turning their backs to the gun.

The butler's identity wasn't just a random servant, he was a veteran trusted by the royal palace so to immediately doubt him would implies a lack of trust in the royal family, especially when the person accusing him is a 'stranger' (remember this is literally her first real job)

It's not like they held her up for ages either, the whole thing from her landing to them asking to prove her identity probably took a few seconds.

So it's more of the guards see someone in their uniform (fake police) vs someone in casual wear (undercover officer from different county) facing off and they immediately point their guns at the not-officer looking person first.

 

[AnotherDuck]

My point was more that if the guards' 'failures' were so critical that they deserve firing in the other guy's eyes, why did they ignore how Noel didn't choose the 'optimal' options either (like not just taking out the assassin from the go when dude was literally handling the target the wine glass, this whole fight could've been skipped with that)

"Failing" and "non-optimal" aren't the same thing. Here ít's the difference between being actively detrimental and not doing the absolute best. At no point did Noel hurt the situation, while the guards did.

The consequences of jumping on him directly are all theoretical, but it's likely that if she did that, she'd get a sword or three through her body. A direct attack is handled differently than the threat of an attack. And if they followed her direction, the whole fight could've been skipped. Maybe even if they also held up her.

The butler's identity wasn't just a random servant, he was a veteran trusted by the royal palace so to immediately doubt him would implies a lack of trust in the royal family, especially when the person accusing him is a 'stranger' (remember this is literally her first real job)

The security of the royal palace is the responsibility of the third team, which she's part of. She's not a stranger to the people working there, especially considering her flashy entrance. The guards didn't know about her, which points to them not being familiar with the on-goings of the palace work force, so I don't see why they would necessarily be familiar with a specific butler. If they're competent, they should be familiar with the security employed by the castle, or at the very least that there were ball-dressed security personnel.

It's not like they held her up for ages either, the whole thing from her landing to them asking to prove her identity probably took a few seconds.

That was still too long, since it allowed the assassin to make his move unimpeded and unseen (except by Noel).

So it's more of the guards see someone in their uniform (fake police) vs someone in casual wear (undercover officer from different county) facing off and they immediately point their guns at the not-officer looking person first.

Bodyguards are usually in formal wear to fit the occasion, like she were. And it's not so much "facing off" as one of them accusing the other of being an assassin. That's a serious accusation that should be followed up on. The narrowminded focus they had is what gets people killed.

 

[WhimsiCat]

"Failing" and "non-optimal" aren't the same thing. Here ít's the difference between being actively detrimental and not doing the absolute best. At no point did Noel hurt the situation, while the guards did.

The problem with all your arguments is that you work on the reader's knowledge that Noel IS correct and the butler IS assassin.
The guards know neither, and between the one currently right next to their charge vs the one who backed off, clearly one person has more potential to harm the target.

The security of the royal palace is the responsibility of the third team, which she's part of. She's not a stranger to the people working there, especially considering her flashy entrance. The guards didn't know about her, which points to them not being familiar with the on-goings of the palace work force, so I don't see why they would necessarily be familiar with a specific butler. If they're competent, they should be familiar with the security employed by the castle, or at the very least that there were ball-dressed security personnel.

They're foreigners + the royal mages are working secretly to not raise unneeded anxiety (and they only deploy a few elites, not having them everywhere)
https://mangadex.org/chapter/5baccaea-848f-4c90-b1e1-1e0ec3a7dd94/4

So no, they wouldn't know about the royal mages' secret op, as intended.

And again, the butler is a trusted veteran of the royal palace. Even if he's not a titled noble, treating him with disrespect would likely be seen as disrespecting the royal family indirectly.

That was still too long, since it allowed the assassin to make his move unimpeded and unseen (except by Noel).

'oh no how dare they can't perfectly grasp the situation in split seconds'

Again, the assassin only started acting because the guards were starting to believe Noel and de-escalating the situation, otherwise Noel basically created the perfect distraction for the assassin to go for the kill.

Bodyguards are usually in formal wear to fit the occasion, like she were. And it's not so much "facing off" as one of them accusing the other of being an assassin. That's a serious accusation that should be followed up on. The narrowminded focus they had is what gets people killed.

Ah yes, like all those swat calls. Surely the police should just start blasting the moments they arrive at the scene right? No need to interrogate the suspect or trying to de-escalate things, just believe the first person to speak first and shoot the other guy.

Because it's not like a scene of two people fighting and both claiming to be the good guy ever get used in fictions.

 

[AnotherDuck]

The problem with all your arguments is that you work on the reader's knowledge that Noel IS correct and the butler IS assassin.

No. That's just you trying to create a strawman.

The guards know neither, and between the one currently right next to their charge vs the one who backed off, clearly one person has more potential to harm the target.

You mean the one who tried to warn the target? The one who's actively not using her opportunity to attack the target by turning her back that direction? They're clearly idiots.

And again, the butler is a trusted veteran of the royal palace.

Where did it say that the foreigners know about that butler?

'oh no how dare they can't perfectly grasp the situation in split seconds'

That's literally their job. And quit it with the strawman "perfectly".

Again, the assassin only started acting because the guards were starting to believe Noel and de-escalating the situation, otherwise Noel basically created the perfect distraction for the assassin to go for the kill.

No, she was on the ball. He couldn't go for the kill because she prevented it. The one what-if you can assume for certain is that without Noel, the VIP would be dead. The guards were completely incapable of preventing that without her intervention.

Ah yes, like all those swat calls. Surely the police should just start blasting the moments they arrive at the scene right? No need to interrogate the suspect or trying to de-escalate things, just believe the first person to speak first and shoot the other guy.

Who said anything about starting to blast people without trying to question or de-escalate?

 

[WhimsiCat]

Who said anything about starting to blast people without trying to question or de-escalate?

You did, when you suggest the guards should immediately take Noel's words at face value and not at all question who she is.

Btw even if the guards did believe her, considering the artifact the assassin had the result would likely be the same anyway once Noel didn't take the one surprise attack chance she had.

I'm not disagreeing that the guards would've fail their job without Noel, because the extra power to overwhelm the guard WAS the assassin's back up plan.
Even Noel recognized she couldn't straight up win and has to buy time.

He couldn't go for the kill because she prevented it.

And then she moved away from the VIP

Giving him the opening to go for the kill

 

[AnotherDuck]

You did, when you suggest the guards should immediately take Noel's words at face value and not at all question who she is.

I can't find that in my posts. You added a lot of extra to it, like with your previous strawmen. The most I said was "follow up on", which doesn't mean violence. It means paying attention to what's going on, and keeping him under watch. It doesn't mean they have to stop watching her or automatically believe she's absolutely honest. Situational awareness is one of the key skills of a bodyguard.

once Noel didn't take the one surprise attack chance she had.

As I mentioned, that would likely have given her an iron supplement. If attacking is the first thing you do, people will respond in kind, because you're an immediate threat.

And then she moved away from the VIP

Giving him the opening to go for the kill

When she moved away there were several guards for the VIP to guard her, and at that point all their attention shifted to the new threat. She moved to the one threat that was around at that time.

The opening came later after he eliminated the guards and overwhelmed Noel. But then she had bought enough time.

 

[WhimsiCat]

You added a lot of extra to it, like with your previous strawmen

Like how you add to what the guards should totally know because you think so?

If they're competent, they should be familiar with the security employed by the castle, or at the very least that there were ball-dressed security personnel.

etc

As I mentioned, that would likely have given her an iron supplement. If attacking is the first thing you do, people will respond in kind, because you're an immediate threat.

Knock him flying, identify herself as part of the royal mage, possibly while standing far away from the VIP to reduce wariness of the guard (instead of remaining literally next to the VIP like here) then give them the actual run down, instead of 'don't drink that! he's an assassin!' and just stood there like everyone understood her monke speech.

Where did it say that the foreigners know about that butler?

Because they let him get close to the VIP which show some level of trust, otherwise they'd have one of the guard get the glass + a poison tester take a sip first.