Boku wa Ane ni Youbun o Suwaremashita - Oneshot

[Everblaster]

@mAceOFHearts

He's spent his whole life resenting his sister to no fault of her own and blaming her for his own inadequacies, though her response to it cannot be called "healthy" by any measure. She's preying on his insecurities and complete lack of motivation, as he's stuck seething at her.

They're just two awful people being awful to each other.

 

[WhimsiCat]

@mommunism:
>Treat "taken" at face value
>Say don't take certain terms at face value

Have you consider I also used the term taken/stolen in colloquial sense?

Anyway, I'll repeat again that NTR is all about the feelings, not the literal.
In fact, you can invoke the feeling of NTR even when there's absolutely no cheating/adultery going on, just through Unreliable Narrator and misunderstandings.

As for the term cuckoldry being used as translation of NTR, I think it's just a case of not having a proper equivalent term and just using something similar. When it come to translation of those sort of words you either go that way or just use it as a loan word as is, like ramen, or NTR here.

 

[icarushector]

This was awkward and what little emotional closure it had was really unsatisfactory.

 

[mommunism]

@WhimsiCat I'm able to take the definition at face value BECAUSE you took the original etymology at face value. It doesn't make any sense for you to be strict about sticking to the upper etymological definition while defining the root words loosely. The denotation either matters or it doesn't, you can't pick and choose just to make it fit your argument. I also wasn't referring to translation when I said NTR is used for generic cuckoldry. I was referring to untranslated titles that have netorare or plays off the word (i.e. Netorarezuma) in them.

 

[exxp]

Just okay.

 

[WhimsiCat]

@mommunism : Except you said taking of a possession, whereas the taking in netorare is not about the physical.
Meaning I used taken/stolen in colloquial sense, and your argument against that was for the literal taking (which also implied the mindset that a person can be another's possession like an object, whether you meant it or not)

>It doesn't make any sense for you to be strict about sticking to the upper etymological definition while defining the root words loosely.
>The denotation either matters or it doesn't, you can't pick and choose just to make it fit your argument
Welcome to Japanese, where the vagueness is a thing and a word can have multiple meanings depending on context.
And also some words have completely different meanings to their roots.

And I don't think I've changed my argument?
>>The core of it is the reader/viewer sympathize with the one person's feeling, and that the target of that feeling is 'stolen'.

> I was referring to untranslated titles that have netorare or plays off the word (i.e. Netorarezuma) in them.
This might blow your mind, but a cuckold scene is fairly common in NTR stories. They aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[mommunism]

@WhimsiCat Taking a possession != taking physically. You can feel like you possess a position that someone takes, and in this case that position is one as a member of a relationship, and netorare would not exist if people didn't think they possessed others in some form or another.

>Welcome to Japanese, where the vagueness is a thing and a word can have multiple meanings depending on context.
??? This goes against your own argument. You're the one who made the etymology out to be strict, which is why I said you can't have it both ways. If "netorare" has to be defined by its etymological terms, "taken" does as well, at least in the context of the word "netorare." You are trying to say this is both strict AND vague. Choose one.

>This might blow your mind, but a cuckold scene is fairly common in NTR stories.
No shit, that's why I just fucking said it is. The argument was that it betrays your stance of valuing the etymology because cuckold has nothing to do with unawareness.

In short, every point of yours was a strawman. I didn't say physically taking, I didn't say you can't be vague, I didn't say you changed your argument, and I explicitly said cuckold and netorare are not mutually exclusive. If I bother to read your next comment and it's like this too, I will not waste my time replying.

 

[WhimsiCat]

@mommunism: You keep referring to etymology, but I keep pointing out that NTR is about feelings, not the words itself.
I brought up the root of it because that urban dictionary say it's just cheating/adultery and I'm saying that's wrong.

I mentioned the root of it ONCE, every other time I keep saying;.
>>The core of it is the reader/viewer sympathize with the one person's feeling, and that the target of that feeling is 'stolen'.
So you're nitpicking on one-line I mentioned about how the word is written when clearly it's not the main point I keep saying OVER AND OVER that you ignore.

You're the one strawmaning me here.


>You can feel like you possess a position that someone takes, and in this case that position is one as a member of a relationship, and netorare would not exist if people didn't think they possessed others in some form or another

That's the thing, THINK, it doesn't have to BE. As long as the audience view it as such, it can be a one-sided crush and still feel NTR.
If a married man treat his wife like trash, and she ends up leaving him for a guy who treats her better, nobody would call that NTR because nobody sympathize with the guy.

I repeat: NTR IS ABOUT THE FEELING, NOT THE PHYSICAL.
Next time you bring up etymology I'll just think you can't read.

 

[Lilliwyt]

@WhimsiCat

I repeat: NTR IS ABOUT THE FEELING, NOT THE PHYSICAL.

It's both actually, it can be use for both situation. Even if it's just feeling it might be better yo use Jealousy because well that's exactly what it is right here : Haru is just jealous of his sister.

 

[mommunism]

@WhimsiCat You brought up the root once as the CORE of your definition, so no shit I'm going to keep bringing it up ("The REAL KEY of NTR is right there in the term"). Everything we've talked about relates to how you originally defined the word. And whether it's about feelings has nothing to do with that (and doesn't contradict anything I've said). The feelings are still defined by words, which I already explained very clearly. The rest of your comment is clearly still attacking whatever imaginary position you think I have, so I'll stay true to my word and be done here.

 

[WhimsiCat]

@mommunism:
> And whether it's about feelings has nothing to do with that (and doesn't contradict anything I've said)

Except I first said THIS:
>The core of it is the reader/viewer sympathize with the one person's feeling, and that the target of that feeling is 'stolen'.

I used the root word ONE time, and repeat the feelings part all other times, so you keep picking on it feel like nitpicking to me.

But as the definition of etymology goes:
the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.

THE MEANINGS HAVE CHANGED THROUGHOUT HISTORY
The ROOT of NTR might've required actual relation.
The MODERN NTR, y'know, the thing that people talk about NOW, doesn't require it.
And I don't value the past meaning of NTR, I'm talking about the modern NTR, the only time I even brought up the root of it was because the urban dictionary had it completely wrong.

 

[Lilliwyt]

Yeah but the "modern NTR" you talking about is only about feelings between two people and nothing else like here is basically what we called Jealousy. Even if the point is to feel pity for the MC, it's just jealousy. Haru is just jealous that his twin sister go out with the girl he liked. And what the big idea about "past NTR" and "modern NTR" ? Why can't be just one thing ?

 

[akole]

wTf ThIs Is NtR dIsLiKeD

 

[AgentKuga]

Wait I don’t get the comment section how is this ntr I thought it’s just pure jealousy.

 

[Koneko_Nyaa]

To think that Kasuga Sunao would draw something so mediocre. I've come to expect cute art and a cute story. This does not live up to the usual standard. I am disappointed.