Boku wa Konyaku Haki Nante Shimasen kara ne - Vol. 1 Ch. 4

[Luminous_Carrot]

May i see that?

Here ya go
If the link doesn't work just go to manatoki464.net and look up the Korean title

 

[Ahodegozaimasuru]

I love shurigan belle pair

 

[af4zl]

finally a CHAPTER 4!

 

[fanerik]

more than the hamlet shots,
i'm bothered by all the "her world was so different so developed completely different history and religion" but for some reason they have a church with a cross and shakespeare exists?

anyways, thank you for all your work and for picking this up 🙇🏻‍♀️

 

[oleanders]

more than the hamlet shots,
i'm bothered by all the "her world was so different so developed completely different history and religion" but for some reason they have a church with a cross and shakespeare exists?

maybe it can be handwoven away by being a generic medieval europe fantasy world in a otome game but to me it just reads as the author being really lazy about developing their generic medieval europe fantasy setting. Cant be hard to swap a few names out to make a not-hamlet that still let's you say the things you want your characters to say about it.

Anyways, the really funny part is that the author clearly didn't even finish Hamlet. The prince says about the heroine (Ophelia) that "she gets totally rejected and her dad gets killed", as if Ophelia's dad is the only person to get killed in hamlet. bro barely made it through act 3

 

[RamenRider]

I figured it was a hint that the heroine was up to something or yet another reincarnator was secretly in the mix somewhere.
As far as the Shakespeare criticism goes, I can see if being very difficult for somebody with english as a second language when linguistic drift makes actually understanding the jokes and references a pain and a half. Half the words in the plays were invented on the spot. Even Shakespeare’s name was a dick joke.

Translating Dr Suess into another language is going to be more coherent.

 

[knight_evangel]

Lol at some generic isekai manga throwing shade at Hamlet.

I know people always say "aim high" but damn, set some achievable goals, author...

a lot of his works are overrated, but yeah criticizing it in an isekai of all things is pretty ironic. lol

 

[blackLuna]

Wait, Hamlet is real?

Of course Hamlet is real! It's one of Shakespeare's greatest and most famous tragedies (along side King Lear, Macbeth, Othello, Julius Caesar, and Romeo and Juliet). (I'm kind of disappointed by the author's evaluation here: personally, Hamlet, King Lear, and Macbeth are my favourite Shakespearean tragedies.)

And clearly the author only barely scratched the surface of the play: there's a lot more going on than what they gave and criticized. For starters, Hamlet's indecision is not to avenge or not avenge, it is between choosing revenge or suicide. Also, the death of Ophelia's father, Polonius — a man who takes six lines to say he'll be brief — is the result of a complex accident. There's also the fact that "Hamlet" is the name of both the prince and the late king, both of whom are speaking roles (thus a question of identity); and a recurring theme of the relationship between masks/guises/façades, whatever is underneath, and the actual/reality. (It is unnecessarily bloody, true — nine of the play's ten named speaking roles are dead from unnatural causes by the close — however, this is most likely one of Shakespeare's means of appealing to the masses, as that was what created the period's equivalent of best-sellers in tragedies. That said, it doesn't hurt the play… much.)

Hamlet also quite possibly has the most puns percentage-wise of any Shakespearean play and certainly has the most of any of his tragedies, which takes some doing: Shakespeare loved puns, sexual and otherwise, and his work is replete with them. In particular, Prince Hamlet has the most puns of any of the play's characters, even the last thing he says as he is dying: "The rest is silence."

As for the trope of holding a skull while beginning the "To be or not to be" soliloquy, that's a conflation of Act III scene 1 lines 56–90 and poorly acted takes of graveside conversation which occurs Act V scene 1 lines 144–192 (in particular, the portion "Alas, poor Yorick," which is line 171).

 

[blackLuna]

a lot of his works are overrated, but yeah criticizing it in an isekai of all things is pretty ironic. lol

If you think that many of Shakespeare's works are overrated, there is something very wrong. I'm guessing you either speed-read his work, read "translations" (which are all watered-down paraphrasing; never worth any attention or time); or read him without good notes, possibly with no notes at all. In any of those cases you lose at least half the depth of his work as well as most of the humour (tragicomic elements abound, regardless of genre).

There's a damn good reason why Shakespeare is considered one of the greatest writers of all time, along side such giants as Chaucer, Goethe, Schiller, Racine, Petrarch, and Dante. Shakespeare is a literary equivalent Michelangelo or Mozart: a combination of prodigious greatness and stunning breadth.

I highly recommend reading at least one of his more famous plays with the notes. (A handful of his lesser-known works are lesser known for a reason; as we say in the Western World, "Homer nodded" — so avoid works like Titus Andronicus in favour of works like Macbeth and As You Like It.) It also helps to listen to it or read it aloud: the text positively sings! Even if Shakespeare is not to your taste or preference, your opinion of the quality and importance of his work will definitely improve. Hell, even any one of the more famous passages from any of his better known works might suffice.

 

[knight_evangel]

If you think that many of Shakespeare's works are overrated, there is something very wrong. I'm guessing you either speed-read his work, read "translations" (which are all watered-down paraphrasing; never worth any attention or time); or read him without good notes, possibly with no notes at all. In any of those cases you lose at least half the depth of his work as well as most of the humour (tragicomic elements abound, regardless of genre).

There's a damn good reason why Shakespeare is considered one of the greatest writers of all time, along side such giants as Chaucer, Goethe, Schiller, Racine, Petrarch, and Dante. Shakespeare is a literary equivalent Michelangelo or Mozart: a combination of prodigious greatness and stunning breadth.

I highly recommend reading at least one of his more famous plays with the notes. (A handful of his lesser-known works are lesser known for a reason; as we say in the Western World, "Homer nodded" — so avoid works like Titus Andronicus in favour of works like Macbeth and As You Like It.) It also helps to listen to it or read it aloud: the text positively sings! Even if Shakespeare is not to your taste or preference, your opinion of the quality and importance of his work will definitely improve. Hell, even any one of the more famous passages from any of his better known works might suffice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

 

[blackLuna]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Wow, thanks for the completely off base and illogical objection. And to something which I hardly even mentioned.

Argumentum ad populum would be in play if the claim were that Shakespeare is a best seller and best sellers are high-quality works… which is NOT anything like what I said.

Shakespeare has stood the test of time with ease, remaining ranked among the greatest writers of all time by multiple cultures for centuries. When it comes to the Arts, a vast and continuous general consensus maintained for centuries by both the general populous and by the educated is not an argumentum ad populum, ever. (After all, that's as close as is humanly possible to an objective judgement you can have in matters of taste and in the Arts.) This is especially true when the work (or works) in question have so much content from an aesthetic prospective (no, I'm not talking about the number of statements in a work).

That's the important part: a long-standing general consensus across multiple cultures together with significant amount of content.

Very nearly all people who have evaluated Shakespeare's work as less than superb either have a chip on their shoulders (and their judgements are thus skewed) or read the work with little to no understanding, which obviously impedes evaluation.

And if your evaluation of quality is based on how much you like his work… in that case, you've got different (all too common) problem on your hands: argumentum ad logicam. In that case, you're conflating preference with judgement of quality (confusion of categories is a logical, semantic, and ontological error of its own), and are basing your argument upon that.

So unless you have an informed dislike/opinion of why Shakespeare is overrated, you should probably err on the side of caution.

 

[blackLuna]

absolutely insane for a rather run-of-the-mill isekai romance fantasy to critique (?) hamlet, of all plays, by shakespeare, of all playwrights i am simply baffled

Apart from most likely having never read the play, the author clearly doesn't know much of anything about Shakespeare and his environment (and quite possibly doesn't care). What makes this even more glaring, of course, is casting "Shakespeare" as having an active relationship of any kind with the established religion of his nation. The man knew better than to stir that hornets' nest.

 

[knight_evangel]

Wof caion.

I actually would have respected you more if you simply said "I don't like you for not liking Shakespeare and your opinion is trash."

You can mouth off all you like, but in the end

"There's a damn good reason why Shakespeare is considered one of the greatest writers of all time"

It felt like, to me, you were really just saying "everyone likes this so you're wrong" which is what set me off. Maybe I went too far , who knows. But I can't in good faith support that as a reason, ever. After all, there are FAR too many things that are popular but not necessarily good in my eyes. Like Trap music and autotune "rap".


I especially can't support it in good faith when talking about academic subjects (I do consider his works to be part of academia as it is heavily studied). I don't care what other people consider, I only care what YOU consider. I'm talking to you right now, not other people.

Also, I simply think that plays should be watched for the most part. They were kind of intended for that purpose after all. Some of it is good reading, others not so much. Didn't think it'd spiral into all this shit, so I never thought to expressly specify that.

Have a nice day. There won't be any more responses from me, because I find your way of responding annoying. I don't really know why though, so try not to take it personally.

 

[blackLuna]

I actually would have respected you more if you simply said "I don't like you for not liking Shakespeare and your opinion is trash."

You can mouth off all you like, but in the end

"There's a damn good reason why Shakespeare is considered one of the greatest writers of all time"

It felt like, to me, you were really just saying "everyone likes this so you're wrong" which is what set me off. Maybe I went too far , who knows. But I can't in good faith support that as a reason, ever. After all, there are FAR too many things that are popular but not necessarily good in my eyes. Like Trap music and autotune "rap".


I especially can't support it in good faith when talking about academic subjects (I do consider his works to be part of academia as it is heavily studied). I don't care what other people consider, I only care what YOU consider. I'm talking to you right now, not other people.

Also, I simply think that plays should be watched for the most part. They were kind of intended for that purpose after all. Some of it is good reading, others not so much. Didn't think it'd spiral into all this shit, so I never thought to expressly specify that.

Have a nice day. There won't be any more responses from me, because I find your way of responding annoying. I don't really know why though, so try not to take it personally.

I completely agree about things like rap.

The "damn good reason" I was talking about is basically "aesthetic content + long-standing general consensus." Not "everyone likes it" — that'd be a best seller, most of which do not have either. (Great example of that is Bulwer-Lytton, the guy who began a novel "It was a dark and stormy night": he was one of the most popular and best-selling authors in his day… and nearly everything he wrote was awful. His work even spawned a contest of bad writing.)

That's why it is not just consensus, but long-standing consensus. And over multiple cultures.

I'm in philosophy (focusing on the philosophy of the Arts), so when this kind of topic comes up, my writing tends to start going in more essay-ish direction in a knee-jerk attempt at philosophical clarity (which is obviously not general clarity). That might well have been what was bothering you (sorry about that). I guess I got circuitous. Again, sorry I annoyed you.

 

[Kaitensatsuma]

more than the hamlet shots,
i'm bothered by all the "her world was so different so developed completely different history and religion" but for some reason they have a church with a cross and shakespeare exists?

anyways, thank you for all your work and for picking this up 🙇🏻‍♀️

I'll give them this technicality: Japan is still pretty different from most western civilizations even to this day.

But "Wow, we've never heard of a commoner marrying a royal! Now let's go watch Shakespeare's Hamlet at The Globe, where we went to see Cinderella!" is kind of begging a lot of suspension of belief.