Boku wa, Yuri na Onee-chan wo Ouen Shiteimasu - Vol. 1 Ch. 6.5 - I'll Cheer On Onee-chan! Part 2

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Have an happy ending
People find a way to make it not happy

For god sake, it's a comedy manga guys. You put too much thoughts on things that won't even matter. I don't think the point was on Mio, well not entierly but you understand the point. It's a YURI manga not a yaoi one, in the end the point was to bring Saki and Shizuku together. Why you act like Mio is not happy ? He want them both to get together and he get it. The end.There is nothing more than that and it was the goal from the start. Also there was no cancel or axe, those kind of stuff usually get only 1 or 2 volumes so it was 1 volume from the start.
O povo é muito chato, cara, daí você vai em um mangá yuri de tragédia meia boca, e está todo mundo elogiando
 
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@Lilliwyt Its a yuri manga with 3 main characters - the 2 romantic leads, and Mio. The romantic leads plot felt rushed, with stuff like the romantic rival they just introduced doing pretty much nothing, and Mio's ending felt underdeveloped, with him never developing a character outside of the sister's cheerleader. I'm not saying it wasn't a happy ending, and I'm not saying they had to go the shounen ai route, but I do think the ending was a bit boring. My comment about Sui was just an example of something fun I think the author could have done to flesh out Mio's character more. The author could have done lots of things. But instead they decided to do the minimum it took to wrap up the story, and regardless of whether that was because of the publisher ending it, or because they just didn't wanna continue the story, it is kind of frustrating as a reader
Não achei nada frustrante, só os chatos acharam isso
 
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The cutest, wholesome-est ending, to be sure. Mio is a big shipper and surprisingly Aoi is such a good person and loves to see Shizuku happy she's such a good person aaaaaaaa. I wouldn't mind them getting into a poly relationship. Overall, it was a bit rushed but a very cute ending and I adore it! <3.
Poli amor? Que porra é essa, nada haver
 
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@Lilliwyt I feel like you would benefit from reading/watching Bakuman if you believe this length was necessarily designed from the beginning. The publishing scheme in Japan is cruel and short-sighted, especially for original stories. Other than that, the only reason I started to read this series in the first place was because the kid was there in the mix. I read very little yuri on its own, so when I started to read this, I expected the younger brother to be somehow in the mix in a cute way. Not in a threesome way, he's just an elementary schooler, but sort of like being pampered by both the girls. The tag selection as well suggested as much in my opinion. Instead the story ended with nothing good happening to him personally.

@mirewitch While I admit I'm biased (although not super biased since while I don't read shounen ai at all, I also don't read much yuri), it would be a bit much to make everybody in this story (conveniently) gay to that extent. More importantly, though, I'm not sure the reader demographics work like that.
Ainda bem que não teve oque você queria
 
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@Kaarme Regarding narrative convenience, I don't see it as any less convenient than when another lesbian romantic love interest appeared, or the frequent "secondary yuri couples" that other yuri manga have. Granted its unlikely in real life, but in real life most gay people aren't usually meeting other gay people through random interactions the way it works in manga. It definitely happens, but its way more common for people to meet via things like dating apps, gay bars, and LGBT events. Most people aren't gay, so bumping into your soul mate at the grocery store or at your job or whatever is just far less likely if you're gay. My point is that yuri manga always stretch the truth on this sort of thing if it leads to a good story. I think this is a good thing to do, as it leads to a wider variety of stories, though admittedly a lot of yuri manga just use it as an excuse for yet another high school yuri manga.

Regarding demographics of yuri - ultimately my comment about a shounen ai relationship was because I think it would have been an interesting reversal of the original premise - instead of "brother helps his sister start a gay relationship," its "sister helps her brother start a gay relationship." I definitely don't think it should have been the focus, but I think you could have had them as a mild secondary couple to mix in with the primary story about the two yuri leads. So more an choice to help pace the plot and flesh out a character than a business-focused demographic one. That being said, I'm not sure I agree regarding the notion that the demographics of a yuri manga would reject such a decision.

If we examine Verena Maser's 2011 study on yuri demographics, we find the breakdown is something like this: 30% were non-heterosexual women, 15.2% were heterosexual women, 4.7% were non-heterosexual men, 39.5% were heterosexual men and 1.2% identified as "other". I think the missing 10% there is people who didn't respond on that question. Note non-heterosexual mostly means a combination of homosexual and bisexual, with a bit of asexuality also. Obviously different manga are going to bias more towards one demographic or another, but I think that gives a good baseline for how yuri demographics work. In contrast to something like lesbian porn, yuri manga is not overwhelmingly consumed by straight men. Instead readers are a mix of many different genders and sexualities, with the overall gender ratio being near 50/50 but biasing a bit toward women.

So given those are the demographics, how can we gauge the reaction to a mild shounen ai relationship? Well, I think its fair to say straight women and non-straight men would generally support a shounen ai side couple. Straight men I think its fair to say would range from neutral to hostile. I think the reaction would be far more neutral than angry for a mild substory without sexualization, and I doubt most of them would drop the manga over this, but I concede that they wouldn't be in favor. The tricky part is in figuring out how non-straight women might respond. Most gay women I've known would be supportive of a shounen ai subplot as long as it wasn't heavily sexualized, and wasn't the focus. This is because while lesbians aren't interested in such a relationship on a sexual level, there is a lot of overlap in the issues gay/lesbian relationships deal with, and thus they can still relate in a general LGBT sense. This is also why I like reading a wide variety of LGBT manga, including shounen ai, as a non-straight woman. I realize this is very anecdotal so your mileage may vary on how much you buy this particular argument, but I think its fair to say non-straight women would at least be neutral, and probably trending to positive when you consider bisexual women, who would probably be on average more supportive than lesbians.

If we sum all of this up, we get a spread of neutral to positive on the female side, and a spread of neutral to negative on the male side. And we've established the gender dynamics of yuri in general are near 50/50. As such I think the overall demographic impact would be neutral, and thus the audience response would be mostly based on execution. If the plotline was clunkily written or overwhelmed the story, I think people would react very poorly. If the plotline was done subtly and didn't take up too many pages, I think it could work as a good way to break up the drama of the main plot with the lesbian love triangle.

tl;dr I think the demographics question is more a mixed bag than a straight up negative, and the success of such a subplot would be based on the execution. But pretty much all stories live or die on their execution far more than the particular tropes they use, so I don't think this is a reason to avoid the troupe entirely. Sorry I went full statistics nerd here, and I don't blame you if you just see a wall of text and say "nope, not reading," but I find it really interesting how the demographics of LGBT manga shape the way the stories are told.
Você realmente escreveu um livro por causa de um mangá yuri de comédia???? MDSS
 
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ah yes the garbage troupe that makes sure the idea of sexual orientation doesn’t exist in japan!

you ask what I’m talking about?
i many Yuri stories the idea of I “love you for you Saki-chan even if you were a guy!”
that there it is used to not talk about the idea of an Girl/Women being ONLY sexually attracted to girls/women!!! by making seemn that just love is enough to date a girl! and if a guy comes in she will go for the guy too!!!! CUZ GOD FORBIDDEN WOMEN DON’T WANNA RIDE A DICK

This is in part to Japan lack of knowledge about sexual orientation, cuz that concept exist only if you acknowledge that women/men can be sexually attracted to their own sex, and if you think japan acknowledge bisexual people with that statement you are mistaken
Não entendi nada do que você quis dizer, mas se estiver reclamando que é Yuri, nem devia estar aqui, yuri é Yuri, bi é bi e gay é gay, simples assim, estamos falando de ficção, não vida real
 
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ah yes the garbage troupe that makes sure the idea of sexual orientation doesn’t exist in japan!

you ask what I’m talking about?
i many Yuri stories the idea of I “love you for you Saki-chan even if you were a guy!”
that there it is used to not talk about the idea of an Girl/Women being ONLY sexually attracted to girls/women!!! by making seemn that just love is enough to date a girl! and if a guy comes in she will go for the guy too!!!! CUZ GOD FORBIDDEN WOMEN DON’T WANNA RIDE A DICK

This is in part to Japan lack of knowledge about sexual orientation, cuz that concept exist only if you acknowledge that women/men can be sexually attracted to their own sex, and if you think japan acknowledge bisexual people with that statement you are mistaken
Me desculpe, eu Acabei de reler seu comentário e agora sim entendi o que você quis dizer, e cara, eu realmente concordo com tudo o que você falou, também odeio isso de "me apaixonaria mesmo se fosse homem", porra, eu quero ler lésbicas, não bi
 

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