Bowblade Spirit
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I found the characters moral code from ch.12 onwards bizarre considering he was raised in isolation on a mountain with his only source of human contact being his grandfather. His grandfather was the type of person to put their grandchild through grueling training, terrify them with killing intent, and even trap his grandkid in a cellar with a bunch of wolves for a month. You'd think someone raised in those condition would have a twisted sense of morality, if they had one at all.
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Some thought regarding ch 22-24:
So yeah, if it's what I think it is, then it presented MC as even more OP than we thought.
Pacheon is similar to Cheon clan, which is basically the Demonic Cult (they call it Dark Path here).
Similarities can be found in:
-Gosu (Pacheon Clan)
-Nano Machine (Demonic Cult ->Chun Ma Cult)
- Chronicles of Heavenly Demon (Chun leader/bloodline)
It usually has someone named 'Chun' as a leader, and their goal is pure power. It isn't necessery an evil cult (in Nano Machine, the 3 forces are Forces of Justice, Forces of Evil and Demonic Cult), but due their sociopathic ways of doing things, they are labeled demonic. Also, it is sometimes portrayed as a religion (hence the 'cult'): they worship the eternal demonic flame and the leader of the cult.
Similarities can be found in:
-Gosu (Pacheon Clan)
-Nano Machine (Demonic Cult ->Chun Ma Cult)
- Chronicles of Heavenly Demon (Chun leader/bloodline)
It usually has someone named 'Chun' as a leader, and their goal is pure power. It isn't necessery an evil cult (in Nano Machine, the 3 forces are Forces of Justice, Forces of Evil and Demonic Cult), but due their sociopathic ways of doing things, they are labeled demonic. Also, it is sometimes portrayed as a religion (hence the 'cult'): they worship the eternal demonic flame and the leader of the cult.
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@SDiego
You're spot on about the demonic clan.
The motif of fire worshipping is taken from Zoroaster.
But the pacheon clan in gosu is not the same organization as the demonic cult. They're two separate sects.
The word "cheon" means sky or heaven and the word "ma" means demon.
So they have to have "ma" in their name to be qualified as a demonic cult.
Of course, in many of these martial arts stories, the demonic cults never call themselves demonic.
The motif of fire worshipping is taken from Zoroaster.
But the pacheon clan in gosu is not the same organization as the demonic cult. They're two separate sects.
The word "cheon" means sky or heaven and the word "ma" means demon.
So they have to have "ma" in their name to be qualified as a demonic cult.
Of course, in many of these martial arts stories, the demonic cults never call themselves demonic.
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@dudadudaduda
Is Cheon the same as Chun? Nano Machine translated it as so (and most names are in chinese due to MTL, while the manhwa/original novel is korean).
Is Cheon the same as Chun? Nano Machine translated it as so (and most names are in chinese due to MTL, while the manhwa/original novel is korean).
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@SDiego
Chun and Cheon are supposed to sound the same when pronounced.
They're different romanization of the same word which can have different meanings as most English words do.
Regarding the names being Chinese. It's because it's MTL.
Mtl generally translates Chinese characters as Chinese pronunciation regardless of the language being translated.
The thing is, a lot of Korean words including names use Chinese characters just like the Japanese do.
And Japanese and Koreans have their own ways of pronouncing those Chinese characters.
Some examples
1. 漫畵
Chinese pronunciation - Manhua(漫畵)
Japanese pronunciation - manga(マンガ)
Korean pronunciation - manhwa(만화)
2. 孫悟空
Chinese - Sun wu kong (孫悟空)
Japanese - Son go ku（そん ごくう）
Korean - Son o gong (손오공)
Koreans also write Chinese characters in their own alphabet system, which is also the same for some Japanese words.(see above examples)
So even if the original text is in Korean, MTL would often translate it as Chinese pronunciation if the word itself uses Chinese characters
PS. Why the names of nano characters are written in Korean pronunciation in the original text despite the characters being chinese is for another discussion.
English is not my first language so hope I didn't cause even more confusion.😅
Chun and Cheon are supposed to sound the same when pronounced.
They're different romanization of the same word which can have different meanings as most English words do.
Regarding the names being Chinese. It's because it's MTL.
Mtl generally translates Chinese characters as Chinese pronunciation regardless of the language being translated.
The thing is, a lot of Korean words including names use Chinese characters just like the Japanese do.
And Japanese and Koreans have their own ways of pronouncing those Chinese characters.
Some examples
1. 漫畵
Chinese pronunciation - Manhua(漫畵)
Japanese pronunciation - manga(マンガ)
Korean pronunciation - manhwa(만화)
2. 孫悟空
Chinese - Sun wu kong (孫悟空)
Japanese - Son go ku（そん ごくう）
Korean - Son o gong (손오공)
Koreans also write Chinese characters in their own alphabet system, which is also the same for some Japanese words.(see above examples)
So even if the original text is in Korean, MTL would often translate it as Chinese pronunciation if the word itself uses Chinese characters
PS. Why the names of nano characters are written in Korean pronunciation in the original text despite the characters being chinese is for another discussion.
English is not my first language so hope I didn't cause even more confusion.😅
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@dudadudaduda
Thanks for clearing that up; so Nano was really set in China (Ming Empire), all the while they have Korean names with Chinese characters, written by a Korean? 😃
Why isn't it set in Goryeo (like Mujang)?
And what's up with Orthodox/Unorthodox Sect (like in Peerless Dad/ Volcanic Age)?
Thanks for clearing that up; so Nano was really set in China (Ming Empire), all the while they have Korean names with Chinese characters, written by a Korean? 😃
Why isn't it set in Goryeo (like Mujang)?
And what's up with Orthodox/Unorthodox Sect (like in Peerless Dad/ Volcanic Age)?
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@SDiego
Good question. That's why I told you it was for another discussion.
While it's true that Koreans also have their own lores about martial arts-something like Mujang like you mentioned-.
the wuxia as novels or comics are clearly originated from 1960's taiwan or Chinese wuxia novels and 1970' hong kong action movies.
Hong kong wuxia movies were really popular globally at that time
I remember there were some Japanese mangas about Chinese martial arts.
like this one
https://mangadex.org/title/1351/kenji
or this one
https://mangadex.org/title/1979/tekken-chinmi-legends
The hong kong action movies were indeed a global sensation at that time but it was a whole different story in Korea.
The genre just BLEW UP in the country.
Many Taiwanese and Chinese wuxia novels were introduced to Korea in 70's and 80's thanks to the hong kong movies.
Some fans got over-enthusiastic and began to write their own wuxia novels with the settings in China.
Now there are literally millions of these Korean wuxia novels in Chinese settings-I bet a good half of them are porn wuxia though, oh the memory-.
Think of it this way, Korea, Japan, and China all three have nothing to do with fantasy, magic, western dragons etc. lores but they still make comics and novels about them.
Because they find the settings to be fascinating.
So like I said in the previous comment, Koreans have a different way of pronouncing Chinese characters.
It's also happened to be more concise and sounds just way cooler to Korean readers than to write in Chinese pronunciation.
But just because they're pronounced in Korean way doesn't mean they're Korean names. They're still Chinese.
In fact, Koreans pronounce all the Chinese names in Korean pronunciation.
Emperor Yongle for example is pronounced as Emperor Yong Lak
PS, Can you be more specific about the orthodox/unorthodox sect question?
Good question. That's why I told you it was for another discussion.
While it's true that Koreans also have their own lores about martial arts-something like Mujang like you mentioned-.
the wuxia as novels or comics are clearly originated from 1960's taiwan or Chinese wuxia novels and 1970' hong kong action movies.
Hong kong wuxia movies were really popular globally at that time
I remember there were some Japanese mangas about Chinese martial arts.
like this one
https://mangadex.org/title/1351/kenji
or this one
https://mangadex.org/title/1979/tekken-chinmi-legends
The hong kong action movies were indeed a global sensation at that time but it was a whole different story in Korea.
The genre just BLEW UP in the country.
Many Taiwanese and Chinese wuxia novels were introduced to Korea in 70's and 80's thanks to the hong kong movies.
Some fans got over-enthusiastic and began to write their own wuxia novels with the settings in China.
Now there are literally millions of these Korean wuxia novels in Chinese settings-I bet a good half of them are porn wuxia though, oh the memory-.
Think of it this way, Korea, Japan, and China all three have nothing to do with fantasy, magic, western dragons etc. lores but they still make comics and novels about them.
Because they find the settings to be fascinating.
So like I said in the previous comment, Koreans have a different way of pronouncing Chinese characters.
It's also happened to be more concise and sounds just way cooler to Korean readers than to write in Chinese pronunciation.
But just because they're pronounced in Korean way doesn't mean they're Korean names. They're still Chinese.
In fact, Koreans pronounce all the Chinese names in Korean pronunciation.
Emperor Yongle for example is pronounced as Emperor Yong Lak
PS, Can you be more specific about the orthodox/unorthodox sect question?
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@dudadudaduda
I was thinking that the Orthodox/Unorthodox sec might be similar to Force of Justice/Demonic Sect
https://volcanic-age.fandom.com/wiki/Mount_Hua_Sect
^"The Mount Hua Sect is a renown sect of the Orthodox Faction in Murim society. " ; it is similar how Peerless Dad has these factions; are they just 'similar', or 'nearly the same' (just like Sun Wu Kong ~ Son Go Ku)?
https://volcanic-age.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Heaven_Sect
I was thinking that the Orthodox/Unorthodox sec might be similar to Force of Justice/Demonic Sect
https://volcanic-age.fandom.com/wiki/Mount_Hua_Sect
^"The Mount Hua Sect is a renown sect of the Orthodox Faction in Murim society. " ; it is similar how Peerless Dad has these factions; are they just 'similar', or 'nearly the same' (just like Sun Wu Kong ~ Son Go Ku)?
https://volcanic-age.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Heaven_Sect
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@dudadudaduda
That's no good, Kim Jong Un didn't even cultivate the heavenly dao, and he's not Cheun 😅😀
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