Bunnie's Quest - Vol. 2 Ch. 15 - I will definitely come back

[zymosan99]

this was axed, wasn’t it? And the author still wriggled her self insert in the end, shameless.

nope, it was planned from the start to be short.
never mind im stupid

 

[Ecchan]

No epilogue? Damn, I was hoping for more but it ended alright. I did see the yuri in it. The nonstop chin rubbing means that Hane wanted to mark Uko as hers since the beginning and much more so at the end. Uko was really happy with it too. Also, when that happened at the end, it looked like extreme topage on Hane's side.
It needed an extra chapter.

 

[smormu]

No epilogue? Damn, I was hoping for more but it ended alright. I did see the yuri in it. The nonstop chin rubbing means that Hane wanted to mark Uko as hers since the beginning and much more so at the end. Uko was really happy with it too. Also, when that happened at the end, it looked like extreme topage on Hane's side.
It needed an extra chapter.

I’m 90% sure this got axed, things usually get axed around 2 or 3 volumes in i’ve noticed.

I don’t know why, but yuri manga get axed so often. A time skip ending is how it usually goes.

 

[ronnniebee]

ggaawwww the final head rubbing was so cuteee. Glad it all worked out for them, would have loved to see more <3

 

[onedumninja]

Rabbits don't kiss guys. They violently rub their chin on their lover.

That's my take on how this is considered gl...

 

[North87]

Well, that was disappointing

 

[SkyVentus]

Lets be real now, this got axed which means that there was a considerable lack of development on their relationship that was meant to happen but didnt got the time to do so, so its not fair to call it "not yuri enough"

 

[Manko-sensei]

@T-sama though the answer can be more or less for everyone, besides Yuri and SF tags there's also Gag Comedy and Moe for the whole series, the entry sticks to the original tags. About the amount of yuri, I don't use the word subtext because I disagree with Dynasty but Hane is a tsundere 'till the end and Uko is the one that shows her love openly, even though they don't need to be a recognised couple (the author is famous for a different LGTBIQA+ work, so I can put myself in their shoes and say that there was no need to became a couple in name). Except for +18 works yuri was completely ambiguous in the past and only became a couple in the end, that is before it became more popular and from the 2010s onward the explicitness increased in general manga in all the aspects. To put another example that was axed as well but had no plans of making the protagonist couple a thing, Futari Escape was published in Yurihime (the idea came from a previous SFW doujinshi of the same author with the same content) and the author himself confessed that he was instructed to keep the series as a light-hearted comedy, without any focus on a deep relationship. He also wrote a great principle to be cited anytime that reads "a trained eye can see yuri everywhere". Even if in that other series the amount of intimate relationship was null, there are plenty of other yuri series that are considered as such (besides the labelling) because one can see it's not ordinary friendship. I also remember some lines from the VN Kindred Spirits on the Roof where a character says "yuri is not just kissing, holding hands or being lesbian", I no longer have the screenshots but it's meant that yuri is a strong connection that doesn't need to manifest as romance. And well, I could end this with a fact, which is that unlike men (referring to any relationship where at least one member is not a woman) women don't express their sexuality as directly, strongly or spontaneous way a man does, in the sense that (always referring to stadistics from the collective) they're not that sex-driven and care more about how each other feel and how they want to build their relationship.
In short, yuri is not only romance and recognition, and they showed a lot of yuri while being consistent.

 

[Mangamoz]

Man this must be one of the least GL manga to ever GL, cause I honestly feel like nothing happened, literally no different than all those cute girls doing cute things mangas that never get anywhere, am I the only one feeling really disappointed?

Thanks for the confirmation @Nosebleed, wouldn't have been the first time a non GL gets tagged as such so I honestly couldn't help but wonder, I guess the manga really was axed since it did feel like it was going to get somewhere if it had more time.

Hopefully mangaka will be given more time for her next GL

Mangadex really needs the shoujo ai tag(just close girl friends) like other sites do to avoid these gay blue balling stories.

 

[T-sama]

@Manko-sensei
I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting anything of what you said and if I'll offend you, but I have be honest, that sounds like pure copium and rationalizing, "a trained eye can see yuri everywhere"? Seriously? Yeah he said that, and honestly? It's a bullshit argument, he was just handwaving why their relationship was never made clear even though it could.

Why is it that with Yuri we need to read between the lines? To read the clues? To "interpret" what is happening? If this was Yaoi nobody would have to do any of that, you wouldn't need to squint your eyes to see any romance because it would be the whole point, same if one of the characters was a boy, nobody would take their relationship as just close friendship.

But ok, fair, let me change the angle, wasn't Girl's Love explicitly created as a equivalent to Boy's Love? So that unlike Yuri people would read the label and know it is unquestionably romance between two women? Since after all some people still use Yuri to just mean close relationship between two woman without any romance involved? If this manga was only tagged as Yuri I could accept your argument, but it's not, it's very clerly tagged as Girl's Love too, so why do we still need to read between the lines and do detective work to see any actual romance between them?

Seriously, this is nothing but a fucking double standard, to put it short:

• Two opposite sex characters? Romance
• Yaoi? Romance
• Yuri? Roma- oh wait, nope, it's just friendship!

"yuri is not just kissing, holding hands or being lesbian", I no longer have the screenshots but it's meant that yuri is a strong connection that doesn't need to manifest as romance.

I'm 100% sure a lot of Yuri / GL mangaka disagree with this, which is one reason Girl's Love as term became a thing.

And well, I could end this with a fact, which is that unlike men (referring to any relationship where at least one member is not a woman) women don't express their sexuality as directly, strongly or spontaneous way a man does, in the sense that (always referring to stadistics from the collective) they're not that sex-driven and care more about how each other feel and how they want to build their relationship.

I'll be real, this sound sexist as fuck and I honestly question how true that is for lesbians in japan.

In short, yuri is not only romance and recognition, and they showed a lot of yuri while being consistent.

Yeah no, sorry again, sounds like pure copium and rationalizing, we can all see it was seemingly planning to get somewhere romantically, but the rabbits got killed by the axe.

Fucking 2024 and we still get:
Boy and girl? Romance.
Two boys? Romance.
Two girls? What good friends!
Fuck.
That.

Yeah no, I could accept if it was just Yuri, but it's explicitly tagged as Girl's Love, your entire argument completely falls apart due to that, you absolutely can't say Girl's Love is used outside of romance, mangaka clearly had a plan but wasn't allowed to continue long enough to get where she wanted, and if that was not the plan then it's the publisher fault to include Girl's Love since that tag will make people expect romance.

I'll be honest, I'm so annoyed by the fact you seemingly tried to excuse this disappointing ending as "yuri is not just romance" that I'm not even sure I'm expressing myself properly, at this point I'm just fucking rambling really, not even sure I'll reply if you say anything cause really, what I'll even say? Cause fact is Girl's Love made everyone expect romance in the series, and we got an absurdly disappointing ending, we all know that.

For real, I'm not even sure if I said all I wanted, much less say it in a coherent manner, cause fuck the logic that something tagged as fucking GL was not planning to go romance route, if it was only tagged as Yuri? I'll eat that, but fucking GL? No, fuck that, you'll convince nobody, nuh uh, you're being fucking disingenuous if you really try say GL can be used like that too.
keeps rambling to myself offscreen

https://imgur.com/a/Fw2sUFW

 

[T-sama]

Mangadex really needs the shoujo ai tag(just close girl friends) like other sites do to avoid these gay blue balling stories.

Shoujo-Ai is not a thing, long story short long ago some filthy gaijin decided that they had to separate explicit gay works from safe works, so they decided that Yaoi / Yuri is explicit while Shounen-Ai / Shoujo-Ai are safe stuff + those that are just subtext, there's no such thing in Japan, they don't make that distinction, either something is tagged as Yaoi / Yuri or it's not.

In Japan Shoune-Ai and Shoujo-Ai are related to pedophilia.

If I had to guess the use of Shounen-Ai in the west probably came from the fact that Yaoi also gets tagged as Boy's Love, which the same filthy gaijing probably rationalized that Boy = Shounen and Love = Ai, with Shoujo-Ai as the Yuri equivalent, also pretty sure Boy's Love is almost as old as Yaoi while Girl's Love was created recently so people know for sure the Yuri manga is indeed romance without any doubt, since some still use Yuri for close relationships between two woman that aren't romance.

I honestly don't remember the details well, so if I'm wrong and someone knows better do correct me.

 

[Mangamoz]

Shoujo-Ai is not a thing, long story short long ago some filthy gaijin decided that they had to separate explicit gay works from safe works, so they decided that Yaoi / Yuri is explicit while Shounen-Ai / Shoujo-Ai are safe stuff + those that are just subtext, there's no such thing in Japan, they don't make that distinction, either something is tagged as Yaoi / Yuri or it's not.

In Japan Shoune-Ai and Shoujo-Ai are related to pedophilia.

Well, I guess the next best thing would be a "Just friends" tag?

Though I guess that would be hard to do, since most of these just friends yuri/yaoi stories only pull the rug on you at the very end.

 

[T-sama]

Well, I guess the next best thing would be a "Just friends" tag?

Though I guess that would be hard to do, since most of these just friends yuri/yaoi stories only pull the rug on you at the very end.

Unfortunately there's no way to tag such series, Dynasty Scans solution was the Subtext tag, but even that is not exactly ideal, and in this case I do think mangaka was gonna go full-on romance, cause all her other GL and BL works seem to be explicitly romance, so it really is more of a case of axe killing the series before any progress happened.

 

[NeonWinter]

Axed before we could gt to the yuri

 

[SrNevik]

Shoujo-Ai is not a thing, long story short long ago some filthy gaijin decided that they had to separate explicit gay works from safe works, so they decided that Yaoi / Yuri is explicit while Shounen-Ai / Shoujo-Ai are safe stuff + those that are just subtext, there's no such thing in Japan, they don't make that distinction, either something is tagged as Yaoi / Yuri or it's not.

In Japan Shoune-Ai and Shoujo-Ai are related to pedophilia.

If I had to guess the use of Shounen-Ai in the west probably came from the fact that Yaoi also gets tagged as Boy's Love, which the same filthy gaijing probably rationalized that Boy = Shounen and Love = Ai, with Shoujo-Ai as the Yuri equivalent, also pretty sure Boy's Love is almost as old as Yaoi while Girl's Love was created recently so people know for sure the Yuri manga is indeed romance without any doubt, since some still use Yuri for close relationships between two woman that aren't romance.

I honestly don't remember the details well, so if I'm wrong and someone knows better do correct me.

I replied to the wrong comment. Actual reply below.

 

[SrNevik]

@Manko-sensei
I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting anything of what you said and if I'll offend you, but I have be honest, that sounds like pure copium and rationalizing, "a trained eye can see yuri everywhere"? Seriously? Yeah he said that, and honestly? It's a bullshit argument, he was just handwaving why their relationship was never made clear even though it could.

Why is it that with Yuri we need to read between the lines? To read the clues? To "interpret" what is happening? If this was Yaoi nobody would have to do any of that, you wouldn't need to squint your eyes to see any romance because it would be the whole point, same if one of the characters was a boy, nobody would take their relationship as just close friendship.

But ok, fair, let me change the angle, wasn't Girl's Love explicitly created as a equivalent to Boy's Love? So that unlike Yuri people would read the label and know it is unquestionably romance between two women? Since after all some people still use Yuri to just mean close relationship between two woman without any romance involved? If this manga was only tagged as Yuri I could accept your argument, but it's not, it's very clerly tagged as Girl's Love too, so why do we still need to read between the lines and do detective work to see any actual romance between them?

Seriously, this is nothing but a fucking double standard, to put it short:

• Two opposite sex characters? Romance
• Yaoi? Romance
• Yuri? Roma- oh wait, nope, it's just friendship!

I'm 100% sure a lot of Yuri / GL mangaka disagree with this, which is one reason Girl's Love as term became a thing.

I'll be real, this sound sexist as fuck and I honestly question how true that is for lesbians in japan.

Yeah no, sorry again, sounds like pure copium and rationalizing, we can all see it was seemingly planning to get somewhere romantically, but the rabbits got killed by the axe.

Fucking 2024 and we still get:
Boy and girl? Romance.
Two boys? Romance.
Two girls? What good friends!
Fuck.
That.

Yeah no, I could accept if it was just Yuri, but it's explicitly tagged as Girl's Love, your entire argument completely falls apart due to that, you absolutely can't say Girl's Love is used outside of romance, mangaka clearly had a plan but wasn't allowed to continue long enough to get where she wanted, and if that was not the plan then it's the publisher fault to include Girl's Love since that tag will make people expect romance.

I'll be honest, I'm so annoyed by the fact you seemingly tried to excuse this disappointing ending as "yuri is not just romance" that I'm not even sure I'm expressing myself properly, at this point I'm just fucking rambling really, not even sure I'll reply if you say anything cause really, what I'll even say? Cause fact is Girl's Love made everyone expect romance in the series, and we got an absurdly disappointing ending, we all know that.

For real, I'm not even sure if I said all I wanted, much less say it in a coherent manner, cause fuck the logic that something tagged as fucking GL was not planning to go romance route, if it was only tagged as Yuri? I'll eat that, but fucking GL? No, fuck that, you'll convince nobody, nuh uh, you're being fucking disingenuous if you really try say GL can be used like that too.
keeps rambling to myself offscreen

https://imgur.com/a/Fw2sUFW

Agreed. It's interesting how when discussing girls' love or yuri, people and authors suddenly feel compelled to wax philosophical about the nature of intimacy and the "true meaning of blooming flowers" to explain the non-romantic (or subtextual) aspects of a series.

"Are they gay?" we ask. "What does it mean to truly feel affection?" the author (or commenter) responds. And we're left thinking, "That was a yes or no question. What's all this other stuff?" Even this being axed doesn't explain why the final chapter couldn't make things explicit. A verbal commitment is all it takes. It's not hard.

It's amusing. This flowery language and over-explanation isn't required to prove any other romances, probably because it's unnecessary; their relationships are clear--either verbally or physically. Maybe others are missing something. Or I suppose we're not squinting hard enough in 2024. I thought we left squinting in the early 2000s. The term "subtext" is also misused. It's continually stretched to rationalize bait and trickery. It's becoming a bit of a pet peeve for me.

 

[KZO]

literally no different than all those cute girls doing cute things manga

Maybe all of those were actually yuri and you just don't know what yuri actually is?

 

[SkyVentus]

Maybe all of those were actually yuri and you just don't know what yuri actually is?

Yuri as a genre was born from censorship of lesbian relationships in fiction, it was always meant to depict lesbian characters. The same standards from 20 or 10 years ago cannot, or rather, should not be used nowadays for what its created nowadays. Yuri is no longer just girls being close.

 

[Alex_Grey]

https://imgur.com/a/Fw2sUFW

Source?

 

[Manko-sensei]

@T-sama no offence taken at all, I was simply explaining why it works this way. Mangadex, with the new website, changed some tags (in favour to English speakers) and yuri disappeared (as well as Shoujo Ai) to change it to Girl's Love (it's the literal translation about Shoujo Ai). There are different points to explain, so I'll separate them.
Yaoi (you can read about this term in Adult Manga of Sharon Kinsella) is born from the stereotype of the controlling male, which was used by women artist against straight relationships by making them between two males and makes them de facto lovers (about this stereotype you can check other works). The other branch is bishonen (cute boys), which can show a lovers relationship between two male teenagers but it's not the main point. Yuri is not the counterpart to this, and whereas in the 90s yaoi and bishonen were already quite established yuri wouldn't have proper lesbian relationships until the mid 2000s.
Yuri has existed for many, many years as a platonic kind of love and more in novels than manga, and that novel still influences nowadays authors (basically the only women Catholic schools that it's parodied in Yuri is my Job!). What's the difference between this kind of yuri of one century/millenium to another? That it's not longer (except for authors like the one of Hibike! Euphonium) some teenager pact for a closer friendship that ends in drama as graduation approaches. Nowadays the kind of yuri that's never formalised as a recognised couple relationship despite all the clues exists because (most of the times because of the editor) the focus is the comedy part, this includes best sellers such as Yuru Yuri and Gochiusa. Cute girls doing cute things exists with other sex interest, but as well for series were actual feelings are hidden. Manga Time Kirara with its 4-koma iconic style follows this path for most of its series.
Cute girls doing cute things also exists without yuri because girls sell well, specially for Slice of Life, and in those cases it's never tagged as such. With the same premise, "yuri sells" as a slogan for IRL idols and more because it's another form of fan service and a marketing scheme for saying "they're single and this could be you!". Arrived to this point, it's easier to conclude that the acceptance of a woman as homosexual is harder than for a man because of the society, and this difference of numbers in audience explains why there has been a lot of yaoi adaptations while for yuri are the exception. Remember that many people specially in Japan expect that a woman will leave her job and relationships to have children at some point, while men can escape this social expectation.
If you ask me, what series do you prefer? I prefer series where characters express their sexuality without publisher restrains. And this includes asexuality, aromanticism, polyamory and relationship anarchy. But that doesn't stop me to enjoy yuri series with a high level of impliciteness. I am more comfortable with a yuri couple that behave like a real couple (including sex) but don't need to confirm that relationship than a series where the couple is possessive and privative (you are mine and only mine) that need to say constantly "I love you" (Sasakoi is one of my favourite ongoing series but I get annoyed by the possessiveness of the depicted relationships). For this series that has already finished, even if they haven't said "I love you" to each other they have bond with each other since the first volume and as the series continued the signs of affection increased, to the point they didn't want to get separated (again, Hane trying not to make it show and Uko saying that she preferred not being able to eat meat than not seeing Hane anymore). Yuri ultimately is this, an unbreakable bond, not a "good/close friendship". And it is a work of fiction, it neither reflects real relationships nor it's applyable to real life. And just for the record, in manga the term "lesbian" (as lez, bian or the complete anglicism) is reserved to sex, curious enough it usually appears in titles related to lesbian prostitution (Asumi-chan, the lesbian brothels anthologies, etc.). So it is a mistake considering yuri as IRL lesbian relationships in manga form (even if there are artist that write stories dedicated to young women).