Can You Become A Magical Girl? - Vol. 2 Ch. 16
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Gaaah the cliffhanger 
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Trans people consider "trap" to be a hateful slur marianolinx, just as an FYI
And yeah, my two thoughts here are:
1. Oh god don't let those awful magical girls try to destroy her soul
2. ... is Aoi a baby girl now?
And yeah, my two thoughts here are:
1. Oh god don't let those awful magical girls try to destroy her soul
2. ... is Aoi a baby girl now?
@midnightea I never heard of that, but even if they do, it is clearly not how linx used the term. Just because one group of people dislike a word, does not invalidate its usage by another group where it has different connotations (otherwise australians would be in big trouble with how they use the word "cunt", considering how, was it brittish ones(?), consider it hateful slur).
It is good that you pointed this out however (thanks for the fyi), as it is something I didnt know and could lead to awkward silence if used in normal conversations among ppl I was unaware attributed a different meaning to it.
It is good that you pointed this out however (thanks for the fyi), as it is something I didnt know and could lead to awkward silence if used in normal conversations among ppl I was unaware attributed a different meaning to it.
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That's so messed up, what's happening to that boy. Turning into a girl against his will, then confessing, that he turns into a girl, to his demon mother and then turning into a baby again to satisfy her motherly urges....Messed up....I'm definitely not crying here.
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@feha Of course. I'm trying to be better about not sounding accusatory when I bring it up, but it definitely does need to be mentioned anytime it is used. With regards to trans folk, it's not just them being hypersensitive but rather that it seems to be inviting the concept of the "trans panic" legal defense. Which, yeah, if you're a group being murdered that's pretty heavy. But I absolutely understand that most people using the term don't mean it hatefully, they mean it in a playful ironic way.
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@MidnighTea
No they don't. SJW snowflakes and those they brainwash with their labels and buzzwords dislike the term. It originally had negative connotations but had already been reclaimed by our LGBT community before SJWs arrived and were corrupted by the third-wave radfems into their current form of absolute nonsense. You'll find plenty of transfolk who think it's freaking dumb to be triggered over the term and more who use it themselves, for themselves.
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Not directly, but it's meant to be used to refer to anyone crossdressing who can pull it off - the general fear of going out with a cute girl for the person to turn out to have a penis is why the term came up. It's a "trap", the cute girl appearance is the bait, etc. You get where it's going. So for transfolk who dress to their dysphoric gender, the term can be lumped onto them in a negative way - but for some time there the term was mostly used BY crossdressers and transfolk specifically for themselves, in an almost flaunting manner. Then the SJWs got involved and like everything they touch, turn it into a shitstorm while harming the LGBT community.
@feha
It kind of does when the word in question is referring to a specific group of people in a derogatory format. If I went around calling every white person 'old white trash' and appending 'it's just a joke' or something like that to it, doesn't mean I'm not being a racist little troll. I expect someone to try and kick my ass, no different than the other way around if someone rocked up on me and started calling me a nigger and saying they're just being friendly when I don't know them.
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Now. CAN WE DROP THE DISCUSSION I JUST SOLVED.
LET US FOCUS ON THIS AMAZING WHOLESOME GRANNY WHO SOLVES HER ISSUES WITH LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING. Fuck.
No they don't. SJW snowflakes and those they brainwash with their labels and buzzwords dislike the term. It originally had negative connotations but had already been reclaimed by our LGBT community before SJWs arrived and were corrupted by the third-wave radfems into their current form of absolute nonsense. You'll find plenty of transfolk who think it's freaking dumb to be triggered over the term and more who use it themselves, for themselves.
@smolbaka
Not directly, but it's meant to be used to refer to anyone crossdressing who can pull it off - the general fear of going out with a cute girl for the person to turn out to have a penis is why the term came up. It's a "trap", the cute girl appearance is the bait, etc. You get where it's going. So for transfolk who dress to their dysphoric gender, the term can be lumped onto them in a negative way - but for some time there the term was mostly used BY crossdressers and transfolk specifically for themselves, in an almost flaunting manner. Then the SJWs got involved and like everything they touch, turn it into a shitstorm while harming the LGBT community.
@feha
It kind of does when the word in question is referring to a specific group of people in a derogatory format. If I went around calling every white person 'old white trash' and appending 'it's just a joke' or something like that to it, doesn't mean I'm not being a racist little troll. I expect someone to try and kick my ass, no different than the other way around if someone rocked up on me and started calling me a nigger and saying they're just being friendly when I don't know them.
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Now. CAN WE DROP THE DISCUSSION I JUST SOLVED.
LET US FOCUS ON THIS AMAZING WHOLESOME GRANNY WHO SOLVES HER ISSUES WITH LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING. Fuck.
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Poor Aoi, getting quite the emotional roller coaster isn't he?
@MidnighTea the fact you even brought it up is rather awkward to be honest.
And the baby thing is part of Grandma's magic, he'll be back to normal once it's over more than likely (considering the manga's been leading up to him being their newest ally).
@MidnighTea the fact you even brought it up is rather awkward to be honest.
And the baby thing is part of Grandma's magic, he'll be back to normal once it's over more than likely (considering the manga's been leading up to him being their newest ally).
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Welp, some more fish emerging providing me the newest additions to my ongoing block list. Also, antagonizing someone isn't how you end a discussion. It's like trying to use gasoline to drown a fire FFS, how is something that universal about human nature not obvious?
I almost want to continue discussing it out of spite but this wonderful and unique manga deserves better. Either way, you're not getting rid of me so get used to me and others like me in the same community as you. You learn to like it or swallow your pride and learn to endure it. Or find a different community, I dun care. I'm still gonna bring it up every time I see that slur used even innocuously and there's nothing you can do to stop me from doing it. Nothing. Except, you know, contribute to my growing block list.
Get into the bucket, fishies. Everyone else, I say let's get back to the topic of this manga.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Grandma's magic isn't permanent.
I almost want to continue discussing it out of spite but this wonderful and unique manga deserves better. Either way, you're not getting rid of me so get used to me and others like me in the same community as you. You learn to like it or swallow your pride and learn to endure it. Or find a different community, I dun care. I'm still gonna bring it up every time I see that slur used even innocuously and there's nothing you can do to stop me from doing it. Nothing. Except, you know, contribute to my growing block list.
Get into the bucket, fishies. Everyone else, I say let's get back to the topic of this manga.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Grandma's magic isn't permanent.
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@MidnighTea
I’m linking a comment that was in response to a mod on a stream banning the usage of the word trap and claiming intent doesn’t matter.
“Well I saw a mod saying that the word ‘trap’ is transphobic regardless of intent and now I have argue against that as someone who loves traps.
First, no word is inherently offensive. None. Context and intent matter. An example is the ‘N’ word. Black people freely call each other that. Are they being offensive and racist to each other? No, because context and intent matter. Conversely a totally innocuous word like ‘cupcake’ or something can be used as a slur in an offensive way with intent and context.
The majority of the people in the anime community that use the word ‘trap’ unironically do so in a positive way. Especially in cosplay when males cosplay as female characters. Cross dressing and being able to pass as a female, or at least being sufficiently androgynous, (i.e. being a trap) means you’ve pulled off the cosplay well. Cross dressing cosplayers will self identify as a trap.
That’s the key distinction between being a trap and being trans. Traps still identify as male and are trying to pass as female. Trans people identify as female all the time. Calling a trans person a trap can definitely be transphobic, however the majority of the contexts it is used in (at least in the anime and cosplay communities) it is not and is generally used positively and affectionately.
Additionally, trap characters help to normalize gender fluidity and ambiguity, which is already apparent in the anime community. Trap characters are popular, and it’s totally accepted that guys can dress up as a female in skirts, dresses, makeup, and such. The anime community is one of the most accepting communities, so I find categorizing the sizable part of the community that uses the word ‘trap’ in a positive and affectionate way as transphobic, to be completely unfounded.”
I’m linking a comment that was in response to a mod on a stream banning the usage of the word trap and claiming intent doesn’t matter.
“Well I saw a mod saying that the word ‘trap’ is transphobic regardless of intent and now I have argue against that as someone who loves traps.
First, no word is inherently offensive. None. Context and intent matter. An example is the ‘N’ word. Black people freely call each other that. Are they being offensive and racist to each other? No, because context and intent matter. Conversely a totally innocuous word like ‘cupcake’ or something can be used as a slur in an offensive way with intent and context.
The majority of the people in the anime community that use the word ‘trap’ unironically do so in a positive way. Especially in cosplay when males cosplay as female characters. Cross dressing and being able to pass as a female, or at least being sufficiently androgynous, (i.e. being a trap) means you’ve pulled off the cosplay well. Cross dressing cosplayers will self identify as a trap.
That’s the key distinction between being a trap and being trans. Traps still identify as male and are trying to pass as female. Trans people identify as female all the time. Calling a trans person a trap can definitely be transphobic, however the majority of the contexts it is used in (at least in the anime and cosplay communities) it is not and is generally used positively and affectionately.
Additionally, trap characters help to normalize gender fluidity and ambiguity, which is already apparent in the anime community. Trap characters are popular, and it’s totally accepted that guys can dress up as a female in skirts, dresses, makeup, and such. The anime community is one of the most accepting communities, so I find categorizing the sizable part of the community that uses the word ‘trap’ in a positive and affectionate way as transphobic, to be completely unfounded.”
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@Quiescent-Rose Just FYI, I didn't mean to continue the discussion. Or even having one in the first place when it's so off topic to begin with. All I did was just remind people that yes, the trans community considers it a slur. Not throwing accusations, not demanding a totally off topic discussion, or trying to derail the topic. Just that anytime I do this, some (likely transphobic) folks completely losing their sh** because I did so. Some people just explode every time.
I don't think I'm even intelligent or qualified enough to have a deep discussion on it if I'm being honest. For the record I have no problems whatsoever with otokonoko characters, I judge them on a character-by-character basis.
Me? I'm going to stick to my two main guns.
A. it's considered a slur in most trans communities I've been to, largely because of its ideological similarity to "trans panic" legal defenses in murders. By contrast, the original Japanese word for these characters ("otokonoko") simply means "male daughter". Which I suppose someone, somewhere could still find offensive? But I can't see myself or anyone I know getting bothered by it, I think it sounds poetic tbh. Either way you're absolutely right they're subversive in a mostly positive way imo.
B. If people can't stand me reminding them of A and throw a tantrum over it, then kindly remind them that they're inviting themselves to be blocked.
And "by kindly reminding them", I mean treating it like the fishing trip it kind of is at this point. I'm kinda done engaging with them honestly. Still, I did appreciate how much thought you put into your comment and I didn't want to be rude to you or sound like I was blowing you off. I also apologize to everyone else reading this thread and finding this off topic discussion happening out of nowhere.
I don't think I'm even intelligent or qualified enough to have a deep discussion on it if I'm being honest. For the record I have no problems whatsoever with otokonoko characters, I judge them on a character-by-character basis.
Me? I'm going to stick to my two main guns.
A. it's considered a slur in most trans communities I've been to, largely because of its ideological similarity to "trans panic" legal defenses in murders. By contrast, the original Japanese word for these characters ("otokonoko") simply means "male daughter". Which I suppose someone, somewhere could still find offensive? But I can't see myself or anyone I know getting bothered by it, I think it sounds poetic tbh. Either way you're absolutely right they're subversive in a mostly positive way imo.
B. If people can't stand me reminding them of A and throw a tantrum over it, then kindly remind them that they're inviting themselves to be blocked.
And "by kindly reminding them", I mean treating it like the fishing trip it kind of is at this point. I'm kinda done engaging with them honestly. Still, I did appreciate how much thought you put into your comment and I didn't want to be rude to you or sound like I was blowing you off. I also apologize to everyone else reading this thread and finding this off topic discussion happening out of nowhere.
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...Yeah, no. I still can't accept mom's reasoning here. Obviously, she let bottled up feelings twist her over the years, but none of that justifies berating and stifling her son the way she did.
