Chainsaw Man - Vol. 10 Ch. 83 - Death, Resurrection, Chainsaw
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So all of the fiends represent the 9 choirs of angels, all accept the archangel.
Leaving two demons left to represent them.
I hear some people suggest Denji due to the painting imagery in the last chapter associating him with Lucifer.
But it could very well be Makima.
We also don't know what Gun could represent in this situation.
I also notice that the flesh rope around Denji comes from his navel, so it's basically an umbilical cord.
Leaving two demons left to represent them.
I hear some people suggest Denji due to the painting imagery in the last chapter associating him with Lucifer.
But it could very well be Makima.
We also don't know what Gun could represent in this situation.
I also notice that the flesh rope around Denji comes from his navel, so it's basically an umbilical cord.
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@Amariithynar A chainsword then, so... NEW SOLDIERS FOR THE IMPERIAL ARMY.
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@ChrunchBoi According to the latest and most commonly known list of the Heavenly Host, as written by Dante Aligheiri, in descending order of power: 1. Seraphim, 2. Cherubim, 3. Thrones, 4. Dominions, 5. Virtues, 6. Powers, 7. Principalities, 8. Archangels, 9. Angels.
Comparing the list of names provided: Seraphim, Beam, Garugari, Dominion, Verche, Power, Prinz, Angel.
Seraphim matches 1:1 with the first shown, and physiologically represents Beelzebuth, often referred to as 'Prince of the Seraphim'
Beam at first glance does not match to Cherubim, but liturgically cherubim are not the little pudgy children that we have come to associate the name with in modern times a la Cupid (called "puttis"), but in fact were hybrids between man and animal in design; In fact, the Sumerian Lamassu are considered to be the same thing as Cherubim. As such, while the name does not have any significant bond that I can see, physiologically he does seem to represent them.
Garugari at first glance seems to be a mistranslation or deliberate corruption of Grigori, a class of watcher angels, but it's actually most likely the alternative name for the Ophanim of Jewish heirarchy, "Galgalim", which are considered to be one and the same with Thrones from Christian mythology.
Dominion maps directly by name.
Verche (Raw: ヴアーチェ) seems to be either a mistranslation or deliberate corruption of "Virtue".
Power maps directly by name.
Prinz (Raw: プリソゾ) seems to be a deliberate corruption of the "Princ" of "Principality".
An Archangel is missing, or has been conflated into Angel.
Angel maps directly by name.
Altogether, it seems Makima has been gathering a Heavenly Host for Denji, even though her own faith differs from theirs (she seems to be a Taoist-Shintoist Onmyōdō).
Comparing the list of names provided: Seraphim, Beam, Garugari, Dominion, Verche, Power, Prinz, Angel.
Seraphim matches 1:1 with the first shown, and physiologically represents Beelzebuth, often referred to as 'Prince of the Seraphim'
Beam at first glance does not match to Cherubim, but liturgically cherubim are not the little pudgy children that we have come to associate the name with in modern times a la Cupid (called "puttis"), but in fact were hybrids between man and animal in design; In fact, the Sumerian Lamassu are considered to be the same thing as Cherubim. As such, while the name does not have any significant bond that I can see, physiologically he does seem to represent them.
Garugari at first glance seems to be a mistranslation or deliberate corruption of Grigori, a class of watcher angels, but it's actually most likely the alternative name for the Ophanim of Jewish heirarchy, "Galgalim", which are considered to be one and the same with Thrones from Christian mythology.
Dominion maps directly by name.
Verche (Raw: ヴアーチェ) seems to be either a mistranslation or deliberate corruption of "Virtue".
Power maps directly by name.
Prinz (Raw: プリソゾ) seems to be a deliberate corruption of the "Princ" of "Principality".
An Archangel is missing, or has been conflated into Angel.
Angel maps directly by name.
Altogether, it seems Makima has been gathering a Heavenly Host for Denji, even though her own faith differs from theirs (she seems to be a Taoist-Shintoist Onmyōdō).
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@Amariithynar dude thank you so much for that explanation, was wondering if the names had some real meaning thanks!!
also ty for chapter, fucking love this manga
also ty for chapter, fucking love this manga
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Beam's raw pronunciation could be interpreted as "Bim" of Cherubim.
In the MangaPlus translation, Verche, Prinz and Garugari are translated as Virtue, Princi and Galgali (go figure)
Little Miss and Good Sir Scanlations have been reputed to be quite inaccurate and weird according to those who read their One Punch Man translations, so I'd say read the free MangaPlus ones while they are still available.
Beam's raw pronunciation could be interpreted as "Bim" of Cherubim.
In the MangaPlus translation, Verche, Prinz and Garugari are translated as Virtue, Princi and Galgali (go figure)
Little Miss and Good Sir Scanlations have been reputed to be quite inaccurate and weird according to those who read their One Punch Man translations, so I'd say read the free MangaPlus ones while they are still available.
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LM&GSS aren't that inaccurate/weird, to be perfectly honest. When you look up "Virtue" in Japanese, it looks nothing like the name given in the raws, and in fact seems to be an attempt at transliterating the English word "Virtue" into Japanese katakana while also corrupting it. "Garugari" is a transliteration of the characters one for one; in order, it's "ga", "ru", "ga", and "ri". Search for the characters together, or in reference to the Galgalim, and you'll find nothing of any note. Similarly, [ビーム] for "Beam" is "biimu" or "bi" with choonpu (to indicate a trailing sound of a long vowel) and "mu". "Prinz" is the only "odd man out" so to speak, but that's just because they chose to stylize the c as a z, even though both can provide a similar sound.
If they had the breadth of knowledge required and willingness to alter names based on guesswork that utilizes the context of how the demons so captured by Makima are all the names of the choirs of angels in Christianity, or better yet access to the author so they can ask what those names mean, then sure they could do what MangaPlus did, but that doesn't make their translation work inaccurate (I'd rather a transliteration than someone deciding what it means and making that edit themselves, only for it to turn out to be wrong; have had to deal with that in a number of web novel translations now, where the translator assumed something and fucked up badly), just a different style choice.
Can't comment on One Punch Man translations, though.
LM&GSS aren't that inaccurate/weird, to be perfectly honest. When you look up "Virtue" in Japanese, it looks nothing like the name given in the raws, and in fact seems to be an attempt at transliterating the English word "Virtue" into Japanese katakana while also corrupting it. "Garugari" is a transliteration of the characters one for one; in order, it's "ga", "ru", "ga", and "ri". Search for the characters together, or in reference to the Galgalim, and you'll find nothing of any note. Similarly, [ビーム] for "Beam" is "biimu" or "bi" with choonpu (to indicate a trailing sound of a long vowel) and "mu". "Prinz" is the only "odd man out" so to speak, but that's just because they chose to stylize the c as a z, even though both can provide a similar sound.
If they had the breadth of knowledge required and willingness to alter names based on guesswork that utilizes the context of how the demons so captured by Makima are all the names of the choirs of angels in Christianity, or better yet access to the author so they can ask what those names mean, then sure they could do what MangaPlus did, but that doesn't make their translation work inaccurate (I'd rather a transliteration than someone deciding what it means and making that edit themselves, only for it to turn out to be wrong; have had to deal with that in a number of web novel translations now, where the translator assumed something and fucked up badly), just a different style choice.
Can't comment on One Punch Man translations, though.
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...okay, sooo... that was Chainsaw Devil true appearance? or is he lost his sense of humanity he became like that?
and, why is everyone attacking Makima? are the word ‘Spy’ literally mean it...
...okay, sooo... that was Chainsaw Devil true appearance? or is he lost his sense of humanity he became like that?
and, why is everyone attacking Makima? are the word ‘Spy’ literally mean it...
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This manga's really good from the start but becomes a garbage as chapters goes on. Like wtf is even happening it feels like author's slapping us with chapters and says "Here's a chapter for you go read it and try to understand what's happening"
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