Chibikko Kenja, Lv. 1 Kara Isekaide Ganbarimasu! - Vol. 1 Ch. 2 - Why am I so smaaaall !!?
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was she a guy or a girl back in the real world?
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Probably a girl. Just imagine a guy turning into a loli? Well, we know some in Cylcia=Code. But what about Magical Trans, what about Kenja no Deshi (still loli, but a little bit older)?
A normal guy just wants to touch some boobs!
Probably a girl. Just imagine a guy turning into a loli? Well, we know some in Cylcia=Code. But what about Magical Trans, what about Kenja no Deshi (still loli, but a little bit older)?
A normal guy just wants to touch some boobs!
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would have been better if sage cuz originally 40yr old virgin
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"I'm not going to explain why this manga is good, but if you disagree with me, you're dumb" Great fucking argument dude.
Personally, this is far from the worst manga ever, but I have never had a single person explain to me how it can possibly be fun to read about a character like this. How do you enjoy reading about a character with literally no goal? Getting back to the real world is already cliche and boring as motivations go, but she doesn't even know if she wants to go back at all. How dynamic. /s
I've been reading the "Shini Yasui Kōshaku Reijō to Shichi-nin no Kikōshi" web novel recently and I've realized what these stories are missing. They are so anticlimactic. It brought back memories of 9th grade English class learning about rising and falling action. That building of tension and intrigue into a momentous crescendo. That's what sells a story.
If anybody could give me a run-down on how a story about a girl with no conviction stumbles into random events can be anywhere near as cool, I'm all ears.
"I'm not going to explain why this manga is good, but if you disagree with me, you're dumb" Great fucking argument dude.
Personally, this is far from the worst manga ever, but I have never had a single person explain to me how it can possibly be fun to read about a character like this. How do you enjoy reading about a character with literally no goal? Getting back to the real world is already cliche and boring as motivations go, but she doesn't even know if she wants to go back at all. How dynamic. /s
I've been reading the "Shini Yasui Kōshaku Reijō to Shichi-nin no Kikōshi" web novel recently and I've realized what these stories are missing. They are so anticlimactic. It brought back memories of 9th grade English class learning about rising and falling action. That building of tension and intrigue into a momentous crescendo. That's what sells a story.
If anybody could give me a run-down on how a story about a girl with no conviction stumbles into random events can be anywhere near as cool, I'm all ears.
@Aretheus Well thats some serious "paraphrasing" on your part. I guess i should explain what i mean't since you completely missed with that line.
1. Never said anyone was dumb. Just hung up on trivial things like ages of characters.
2. It being good was a personal opinion and didn't require people to agree or else. As above it was the comment topics i faulted as trivial.
3. I didn't say it IS good, i said i thought it was good. My comment was one of surprise at other people responses.
So since you have asked in a roundabout way let me explain. Its probably just taste. Have you ever wondered how people can enjoy pure gag stories? I have. I cannot take them seriously because they are not supposed to be taken seriously. To take them seriously actually means to realize its just humor. The much praised Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku is just not my cup of tea. It feels right but then it backpedals through reasoning so obviously contrived to screw the MC over that i again cannot put value in anything the story does. Its the same with the walking dead which is part of the sadness porn genre. Part of the mechanic of the universe denies reaching a goal. Pokemon has Ash and his story which will literally end if he wins anything. He therefore ends up in a purgatory state of nonthingness. Then we have sitcoms. Ever watch two broke girls? It has ups and downs that simply don't mean anything. Status quo is all that matters in the end. The formula is what it is.
I bring this up because while those ups and downs are great they are not required for an enjoyable story. Perhaps a memorable one but not an enjoyable one. In stories like this what we get in much the same as the experience of playing a game. We jump into a new world and follow along experiencing things and seeing whats out there. We get to experience a world and explore it with the MC while also seeing what they are up to. They do not lose progress like other stories mentioned or get stuck in place. The actions they take lead us somewhere. By the end they are that max level character at the end of the game with all the toys and a bunch of quests finished. There may be ups and downs but thats not whats important to this kind of story.
Its like knowing a character can't die because the story requires them to function, aka plot armor, usually the MCs. We accept it because obviously if this is the story of the MC they cannot die until the end of the story. The true MC has to be the last to die if they die. Without them there is no story, at best a spinoff/continuation of that story. Its not a bad thing, its just how the story works.
What is derived likely comes from deep within the person. The story is only playing a tune hoping to resonate with its audience, its reader. If you watch a square show with a triangle hole in your heart, its not going to satisfy you. I can't enjoy games without the MC being what i want, which 99% of the time means character creation. This speaks to what i want from the experience that is the game.
People that like gags may simply want a bit of levity or light. People that want big ups and downs may want that kind of excitement in their own flat life. I can't say for sure without assuming too much of people i do not know.
Anyway the point is that whatever your desire there is a story that sates it in some way. These stories are good because there are many whose desire is likely to escape this mundane reality and be someone else somewhere else. I know i for one am deeply dissatisfied with certain things about my existence that simply cannot be changed with my own power. Obviously the mundane existence of a world lacking fantastical elements is pretty hard to change, not that i won't try if i see an opportunity. It might seem silly because there is a certain wonder and magic in life but once again ive had my fill of what i can get so i look elsewhere. If you wanted to be a murdering sociopath with an enormous harem of sex slaves there is a story out there. You obviously can't do it here in this world unless you live in very specific parts of the world.
People push down desires and muddled as it all may be they are nonetheless desires. Why someone wants to murder-kill-rape a childhood friend is probably a long story of twisted past experiences and predispositions all warping into such a confused state. Regardless a story that does that lets them live it vicariously. They can satisfy themselves and not do it in real life. Much of life is mental masturbation in one form or another. People need outlets and life is not so simple that such outlets are freely available to everyone.
No matter what story is being told it is about satisfying the reader. By telling a tail and showing a truth to someone you are fixing a broken piece within them. Suddenly a new understanding is gained and they are more than they were. All the tales of good and evil of clashing armies of grey and mental games are merely there to stimulate and communicate that stimulation. Its why writing a story where people love and emphasize with a character and then ending that story badly hurts. You have a character that makes you think of yourself go through trials and come to the goal only to fail because they were not good enough. That inspires massive emotions and works like an attack on the reader because they pinned themselves and those broken feelings on that triumph.
Anyway i could keep blabbing about this but its already gone on for too long imo. I hope this answers your confusion on the topic. Fixes that broken piece that causes you to be so aggressive to comments like mine. I for one acknowledge my own broken aspect caused me to be slightly passive aggressive in the original comment. I just get sick of people focusing on things that truly do not matter or making assertions of preference as fact. You can want an older MC or a more concrete plot. You can't however claim the story itself is mistaken to choose its elements. Not without a lot of context.
1. Never said anyone was dumb. Just hung up on trivial things like ages of characters.
2. It being good was a personal opinion and didn't require people to agree or else. As above it was the comment topics i faulted as trivial.
3. I didn't say it IS good, i said i thought it was good. My comment was one of surprise at other people responses.
So since you have asked in a roundabout way let me explain. Its probably just taste. Have you ever wondered how people can enjoy pure gag stories? I have. I cannot take them seriously because they are not supposed to be taken seriously. To take them seriously actually means to realize its just humor. The much praised Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku is just not my cup of tea. It feels right but then it backpedals through reasoning so obviously contrived to screw the MC over that i again cannot put value in anything the story does. Its the same with the walking dead which is part of the sadness porn genre. Part of the mechanic of the universe denies reaching a goal. Pokemon has Ash and his story which will literally end if he wins anything. He therefore ends up in a purgatory state of nonthingness. Then we have sitcoms. Ever watch two broke girls? It has ups and downs that simply don't mean anything. Status quo is all that matters in the end. The formula is what it is.
I bring this up because while those ups and downs are great they are not required for an enjoyable story. Perhaps a memorable one but not an enjoyable one. In stories like this what we get in much the same as the experience of playing a game. We jump into a new world and follow along experiencing things and seeing whats out there. We get to experience a world and explore it with the MC while also seeing what they are up to. They do not lose progress like other stories mentioned or get stuck in place. The actions they take lead us somewhere. By the end they are that max level character at the end of the game with all the toys and a bunch of quests finished. There may be ups and downs but thats not whats important to this kind of story.
Its like knowing a character can't die because the story requires them to function, aka plot armor, usually the MCs. We accept it because obviously if this is the story of the MC they cannot die until the end of the story. The true MC has to be the last to die if they die. Without them there is no story, at best a spinoff/continuation of that story. Its not a bad thing, its just how the story works.
What is derived likely comes from deep within the person. The story is only playing a tune hoping to resonate with its audience, its reader. If you watch a square show with a triangle hole in your heart, its not going to satisfy you. I can't enjoy games without the MC being what i want, which 99% of the time means character creation. This speaks to what i want from the experience that is the game.
People that like gags may simply want a bit of levity or light. People that want big ups and downs may want that kind of excitement in their own flat life. I can't say for sure without assuming too much of people i do not know.
Anyway the point is that whatever your desire there is a story that sates it in some way. These stories are good because there are many whose desire is likely to escape this mundane reality and be someone else somewhere else. I know i for one am deeply dissatisfied with certain things about my existence that simply cannot be changed with my own power. Obviously the mundane existence of a world lacking fantastical elements is pretty hard to change, not that i won't try if i see an opportunity. It might seem silly because there is a certain wonder and magic in life but once again ive had my fill of what i can get so i look elsewhere. If you wanted to be a murdering sociopath with an enormous harem of sex slaves there is a story out there. You obviously can't do it here in this world unless you live in very specific parts of the world.
People push down desires and muddled as it all may be they are nonetheless desires. Why someone wants to murder-kill-rape a childhood friend is probably a long story of twisted past experiences and predispositions all warping into such a confused state. Regardless a story that does that lets them live it vicariously. They can satisfy themselves and not do it in real life. Much of life is mental masturbation in one form or another. People need outlets and life is not so simple that such outlets are freely available to everyone.
No matter what story is being told it is about satisfying the reader. By telling a tail and showing a truth to someone you are fixing a broken piece within them. Suddenly a new understanding is gained and they are more than they were. All the tales of good and evil of clashing armies of grey and mental games are merely there to stimulate and communicate that stimulation. Its why writing a story where people love and emphasize with a character and then ending that story badly hurts. You have a character that makes you think of yourself go through trials and come to the goal only to fail because they were not good enough. That inspires massive emotions and works like an attack on the reader because they pinned themselves and those broken feelings on that triumph.
Anyway i could keep blabbing about this but its already gone on for too long imo. I hope this answers your confusion on the topic. Fixes that broken piece that causes you to be so aggressive to comments like mine. I for one acknowledge my own broken aspect caused me to be slightly passive aggressive in the original comment. I just get sick of people focusing on things that truly do not matter or making assertions of preference as fact. You can want an older MC or a more concrete plot. You can't however claim the story itself is mistaken to choose its elements. Not without a lot of context.
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Dont tell me this comment page is going to be yet filled with sh**post?
And trying to judge literature of a different culture by using your standard?
Ahahaha...
Thats like trying to explain how interesting 'Golden boy' manga is to a 'Devotee'.
Most of manga series on Kirara' magazine had almost no plot,
Their strong point on attracting readers are the 'characters'.
If you dont find it interesting, than the manga simply isnt for you.
Isekai isnt the only tags in this manga,which for some reason always triggers idiot to jump the sh**** bandwagons.
If you're too dumb to read the tags and filter your preference than my condolences.
why are you so entitle to think that every manga has to cater to your own preferences anyway?
And trying to judge literature of a different culture by using your standard?
Ahahaha...
Thats like trying to explain how interesting 'Golden boy' manga is to a 'Devotee'.
Most of manga series on Kirara' magazine had almost no plot,
Their strong point on attracting readers are the 'characters'.
If you dont find it interesting, than the manga simply isnt for you.
Isekai isnt the only tags in this manga,which for some reason always triggers idiot to jump the sh**** bandwagons.
If you're too dumb to read the tags and filter your preference than my condolences.
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@Merilirem I think I know what the appeal of isekai stories is. It's escapism from your dull, boring life. That doesn't explain anything about how you can just accept characters as shallow as this. Isekai stories always play it completely straight-faced like their characters are on some grand quest when they actually have no destination. I don't even hate those revenge-porn reincarnation manga because at least their protagonists actively pursue the things that they desire. They make their dreams a reality by sheer willpower. Even if I can't relate to their goals, I can relate to how they are always climbing towards a goal.
I can't fathom what kind of a person you'd have to be to relate to a story where the main character is handed everything to them on a silver platter by fate. Never actively trying to better yourself but becoming the strongest thing in the universe by accident. I think it was that isekai prince manga where the author seriously tried to make it sound impressive that the protag made a rainbow. A child splashing in a pond could conceivably make a rainbow by accident. Even if you were self-inserting yourself into that story, would you feel good about being praised for making a rainbow? I'd feel like a retard being pitied upon.
Here's the big question. Do you actually like these characters lacking personal agency? I even had a flood of people actually try to argue with me in Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita that Fran shouldn't try to fight for her life. That she should roll over and die unless her sword came to save her. Is that the kind of character that you want to see? And don't tell me that there aren't good isekai stories. Cuz after all of the web novels I've read with no manga adaptations, you can't tell me that there aren't any isekai stories with mind-blowingly written characters.
@Eviltwinq You act like all Japanese fantasy sucks as hard as this. I could easily give you 20 titles with good characters and strong plot. And I find it interesting that you're defending this by pointing at the characters when the characters of these d-tier isekai stories are easily the worst part of the whole thing.
I can't fathom what kind of a person you'd have to be to relate to a story where the main character is handed everything to them on a silver platter by fate. Never actively trying to better yourself but becoming the strongest thing in the universe by accident. I think it was that isekai prince manga where the author seriously tried to make it sound impressive that the protag made a rainbow. A child splashing in a pond could conceivably make a rainbow by accident. Even if you were self-inserting yourself into that story, would you feel good about being praised for making a rainbow? I'd feel like a retard being pitied upon.
Here's the big question. Do you actually like these characters lacking personal agency? I even had a flood of people actually try to argue with me in Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita that Fran shouldn't try to fight for her life. That she should roll over and die unless her sword came to save her. Is that the kind of character that you want to see? And don't tell me that there aren't good isekai stories. Cuz after all of the web novels I've read with no manga adaptations, you can't tell me that there aren't any isekai stories with mind-blowingly written characters.
@Eviltwinq You act like all Japanese fantasy sucks as hard as this. I could easily give you 20 titles with good characters and strong plot. And I find it interesting that you're defending this by pointing at the characters when the characters of these d-tier isekai stories are easily the worst part of the whole thing.
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She has yet to cast a single spell. I would find this amusing if the video game shortcuts are taken away from her and all those 100s are just her learning potential. Extra points if she also has limits in her inventory.
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@Merilirem I also find this enjoyable, and while I agree that some of the issues that other readers are complaining about are trivial, they hate this for the same reason you and I enjoy this. It's simply their opinion.
@Aretheus As to why someone would find this enjoyable, it's just a matter of taste. I'm of a similar mind as you in that this isn't the greatest, but I still enjoy it nonetheless. It's simply that some people are content to read something as it is even if it's a bit mediocre or cliche, while others need something with more substance or something new to be satisfied. If someone doesn't like this, then that's fine they don't have to like it. I can't necessarily explain to you why I personally enjoy it other than I'm content to read this cute, albeit plain(so far), story, but I enjoy it so I'll keep reading.
In regards to Merilirem, from what I understand they were simply expressing their own opinion that they enjoy this while also criticizing Kodoku's aggressive and possibly unreasonable critique of the main character. It's simply a conflict of standards, where Merilirem seems just fine with this main character, whereas Kodoku finds the main character to be, in their words, "shit." As I am neither Merilirem nor Kodoku I can't truly understand what is going on in their heads, but it seems obvious that Kodoku's standards are a lot higher than Merilirem's(as well as my own). It simply seems that Merilirem was appalled that someone would have such a negative opinion of a character that isn't nearly as bad as Kodoku made them out to be, and thus Merilirem felt compelled to briefly critique both Kodoku and other readers who seem unnecessarily compelled to find fault in this story.
Simply put, everyone has their own opinions and standards, and some are compelled to respond to the opinions of others, especially when they deem those other people as being unreasonably harsh. Clearly I am one of those compelled people.
@Aretheus As to why someone would find this enjoyable, it's just a matter of taste. I'm of a similar mind as you in that this isn't the greatest, but I still enjoy it nonetheless. It's simply that some people are content to read something as it is even if it's a bit mediocre or cliche, while others need something with more substance or something new to be satisfied. If someone doesn't like this, then that's fine they don't have to like it. I can't necessarily explain to you why I personally enjoy it other than I'm content to read this cute, albeit plain(so far), story, but I enjoy it so I'll keep reading.
In regards to Merilirem, from what I understand they were simply expressing their own opinion that they enjoy this while also criticizing Kodoku's aggressive and possibly unreasonable critique of the main character. It's simply a conflict of standards, where Merilirem seems just fine with this main character, whereas Kodoku finds the main character to be, in their words, "shit." As I am neither Merilirem nor Kodoku I can't truly understand what is going on in their heads, but it seems obvious that Kodoku's standards are a lot higher than Merilirem's(as well as my own). It simply seems that Merilirem was appalled that someone would have such a negative opinion of a character that isn't nearly as bad as Kodoku made them out to be, and thus Merilirem felt compelled to briefly critique both Kodoku and other readers who seem unnecessarily compelled to find fault in this story.
Simply put, everyone has their own opinions and standards, and some are compelled to respond to the opinions of others, especially when they deem those other people as being unreasonably harsh. Clearly I am one of those compelled people.
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@Merilirem Who's hung up on a character's age, huh? That seemed to me like pretty much the only thing worth analysing so far, which is why I did. Seemed fitting considering the whole point of this series is a little girl. There are lots of folks out there who think analysing details equals to criticising details. Those people just need to grow up. I trust you aren't one of them.
Anyway, I don't expect anything much from this series. Like the original description, soon censored, suggested, I'm just here to read about the adventures of a little girl doing her best. I'm happy she's not going to act like a real little kid because those are more or less useless in a pinch. Instead it ought to be funny if she's a bit more mature inside but gets treated like a little kid by other characters.
Anyway, I don't expect anything much from this series. Like the original description, soon censored, suggested, I'm just here to read about the adventures of a little girl doing her best. I'm happy she's not going to act like a real little kid because those are more or less useless in a pinch. Instead it ought to be funny if she's a bit more mature inside but gets treated like a little kid by other characters.
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If your going to isekai instead of reincarnate, doing so as a child is probably for the best. I bet that captain would be way more suspicious of her if she was an adult. Right now she's on easy mode because they are treating her as a lost child. Every weird thing she does and every common sense thing she doesn't know right now is chalked up to "kids say the darnest things"
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