Chounin A wa Akuyaku Reijou wo Doushitemo Sukuitai ~Dobu to Sora to Koori no Himegimi~ - Vol. 8 Ch. 40 - King Of The Skies

[LiAuN]

It's hard to tell if he realized he was passing out, but if so he should have forced out "the elves" rather than "save Ana" to get the important information out

yeah that's not how passing out works m8. also there's the problem of noone supposed to know about the elf village but also even if he said that what exactly are they meant to do they don't know where it is.

 

[LiAuN]

Spoiler

No, the actual effect is the ring itself is destroyed in place of the wearer. The ring itself is the substitute.

while that's ok and i'm not the author that just kinda lessens the appeal of them for me. to me serious magic like that would come at a large price but whatever.

 

[magistermind]

I am honestly Grinding my teeth and Feel like ripping something apart.



Like the characters and the world is fine but this felt SOOOO cheap. What?;?? Could not give her a normal reason to betray her home?!?! So here comes the shaking fist of the writer saying "you won't do that because I did not write you for it!! Well too bad MIND CRUSH*YU-GI-OH"

I HATE it when fantastic elements are used without any prior baseline.



Kills all autonomy on the characters.



Not even a hint of dark magic, and now we have a full mind break!?!



Slave contracts and shit like that are just a straple at this point so I can tolerate.



But actual advanced magic and full MIND BREAK?



DND dms would be destroyed or annoying. Depends on the background and baseline that is in the world building.



This manga WAS LOW fantasy at best.



If this was taken form a novel and dark magic was not explained god help the writer with his next work cuz he might Goof up big time.

 

[Morose]

Weeeeell, had it been me, I would have assassinated Amy long ago because she is human scum and the main root of the current issues. Getting rid of her would turn that world into a better place. Let's see: Multicast, Chantless, Alchemy, Wind Magic, Concealment - Allan could use a lot to make sure she dies:

One idea would be to sneak into Amy's housing, locate her bed chamber and use Wind Magic and Alchemy. For example flood the entire room with carbon dioxide while she sleeps. If the concentration becomes high enough, like over 30%, she'd be dead before she would wake up and could use healing magic. But obviously Allan wouldn't do something like that.

Well what MC can create or use depends on the rules of magic of the world, and i don't think Wind Magic or Alchemy would be able to can create poisons or other chemicals.
Since MC's guns uses Wind Magic to operate, rather than gunpowder (from what I remember). Even the bombing system doesn't have any chemicals in it.
Based on how MC had used Alchemy so far, it seems to be for manipulation of materials and creation of objects.

Also, it's typical for people who can use Healing Magic, especially Saints, to be resistant to the effect of poisoning (then again we don't know the rules of magic of this world).

Had they taken my woman and done that to her, I'd find ways to erase them one by one and they wouldn't even know what hit them.

But you would have done all that after trying your best to rescue your woman, right?

Or would you have left her in danger and preferred to take revenge first?

 

[magistermind]

You say that as if we'll reply "Oh no, please don't go your comments were so welcome" as opposed to "Thank fuck that whiny idiot's gone."

I was more thinking he was putting his state of mind to words for perpetuity. Not really starting something for us.

 

[Morose]

I am honestly Grinding my teeth and Feel like ripping something apart.



Like the characters and the world is fine but this felt SOOOO cheap. What?;?? Could not give her a normal reason to betray her home?!?! So here comes the shaking fist of the writer saying "you won't do that because I did not write you for it!! Well too bad MIND CRUSH*YU-GI-OH"

I HATE it when fantastic elements are used without any prior baseline.



Kills all autonomy on the characters.



Not even a hint of dark magic, and now we have a full mind break!?!



Slave contracts and shit like that are just a straple at this point so I can tolerate.



But actual advanced magic and full MIND BREAK?



DND dms would be destroyed or annoying. Depends on the background and baseline that is in the world building.



This manga WAS LOW fantasy at best.



If this was taken form a novel and dark magic was not explained got help the writer with his next work cuz he might Goof up big time.

There wasn't really any Dark Magic involved though.

Yeah, a Cursed Object was involved, but that's a different category from Dark Magic, and it's affects are obvious.

Plus, most of her Mind Break happened using psychological tricks, not some magic.

And what is there to explain or expand on either way? Basic stuff don't really need an explanation, only stuff which differs need. Like you don't need explanation on what Fire, Wind, Ice or Healing Magic does, so why us there need for explanation regarding Dark Magic or even Cursed Weapon?

Also, who are you talking about when you say this?

What?;?? Could not give her a normal reason to betray her home?!?!

 

[magistermind]

There wasn't really any Dark Magic involved though.

Yeah, a Cursed Object was involved, but that's a different category from Dark Magic, and it's affects are obvious.

Plus, most of her Mind Break happened using psychological tricks, not some magic.

And what is there to explain or expand on either way? Basic stuff don't really need an explanation, only stuff which differs need. Like you don't need explanation on what Fire, Wind, Ice or Healing Magic does, so why us there need for explanation regarding Dark Magic or even Cursed Weapon?

Also, who are you talking about when you say this?

The author to his Her Ana(original timeline seems like it's was better written), I was thinking that all this could have been writen differently without the mind break form the authors drafts.

It seemed like she did all that crap in the original timeline because the Princes was shit to her

And yes I understand that this is a magic item and that it needs no explanation in the short run.

But we literally call that a McGuffin.

And no it was less on the drugs side and more on the magic side.

If it was conditioning then there would not be a quick fix.

Getting someone to accept an Evil sword is not easy.

The Court mage literally explained what he did to her. And the sword was a big part but there was foul play with magic involved.

 

[magistermind]

There wasn't really any Dark Magic involved though.

Yeah, a Cursed Object was involved, but that's a different category from Dark Magic, and it's affects are obvious.

Plus, most of her Mind Break happened using psychological tricks, not some magic.

And what is there to explain or expand on either way? Basic stuff don't really need an explanation, only stuff which differs need. Like you don't need explanation on what Fire, Wind, Ice or Healing Magic does, so why us there need for explanation regarding Dark Magic or even Cursed Weapon?

Also, who are you talking about when you say this?

One more point just to add to be clear.


Real life condition training is used here and I loved that.


I hated that the magic sword was used as a quick fix making the MC be too late. Just to have another quick fix right there to be explained.

And it doesn't mesh well with the prior storyline. Why does the Evil sword have a function like mind crush? Is that because the hero sword is too strong or is it just a "evil/dark" aspect of the sword?


More to the point, the mage was the one who activated it so is it dark magic.


Hope that clears up most of my rant.

Thank you for responding. 😊

 

[LiAuN]

The author to his Her Ana(original timeline seems like it's was better written), I was thinking that all this could have been writen differently without the mind break form the authors drafts.

It seemed like she did all that crap in the original timeline because the Princes was shit to her

And yes I understand that this is a magic item and that it needs no explanation in the short run.

But we literally call that a McGuffin.

And no it was less on the drugs side and more on the magic side.

If it was conditioning then there would not be a quick fix.

Getting someone to accept an Evil sword is not easy.

The Court mage literally explained what he did to her. And the sword was a big part but there was foul play with magic involved.

Real life condition training is used here and I loved that.

I hated that the magic sword was used as a quick fix making the MC be too late. Just to have another quick fix right there to be explained.

And it doesn't mesh well with the prior storyline. Why does the Evil sword have a function like mind crush? Is that because the hero sword is too strong or is it just a "evil/dark" aspect of the sword?

More to the point, the mage was the one who activated it so is it dark magic.

to a few of the points here.
1st there's nothing wrong with the use of McGuffins as long as they aren't the main focus of the series hell there are plenty of McGuffins that end up being great chekovs guns as well because we don't know a lot of their uses. (specifically looking at the diary of tom riddle from harry potter 2 as a great example to me). and imo this one was set up ok (not the best but not the worst either)
2nd this wasn't JUST the use of condition training it's coupling that with a true sense of sensory deprivation that's the problem. (for an explanation on this i would suggest this yt vid and even those effects are for only 3 days she was there for months)
3rd also we see that magic used can effect others as well (in the same way that wind shield charm Ana had is dependent not on her activation but on the use of others
4th we don't actually know exactly what all the things are different to what happened to the other timeline. for instance there's also the problem of inconsistencies in the game like the main lead is meant to be raped and killed but also somehow become a dark sword wielder? she can't be both alive and dead at the same time so what gives

 

[Kampfarsch]

If this is solved by just carting her to the lolicon im gonna drop my rating to 1* for this shit

 

[magistermind]

to a few of the points here.
1st there's nothing wrong with the use of McGuffins as long as they aren't the main focus of the series hell there are plenty of McGuffins that end up being great chekovs guns as well because we don't know a lot of their uses. (specifically looking at the diary of tom riddle from harry potter 2 as a great example to me). and imo this one was set up ok (not the best but not the worst either)
2nd this wasn't JUST the use of condition training it's coupling that with a true sense of sensory deprivation that's the problem. (for an explanation on this i would suggest this yt vid and even those effects are for only 3 days she was there for months)
3rd also we see that magic used can effect others as well (in the same way that wind shield charm Ana had is dependent not on her activation but on the use of others
4th we don't actually know exactly what all the things are different to what happened to the other timeline. for instance there's also the problem of inconsistencies in the game like the main lead is meant to be raped and killed but also somehow become a dark sword wielder? she can't be both alive and dead at the same time so what gives

Thank you for being through.

I agree on The McGuffins, Tom Riddle is the 3rd thing that comes to mind for me. But this is an interesting instant of the effects and effort of slowly getting someone to break.(Saw Michael doing that by the way and we should add the vid where he was isolated underground)

I am frustrated that this is not great with all the setup and prerequisites already there. Like you said it's just average in all aspects even with all this prep and thought put into it.

The idea of charm magic being used. The understanding of what the sword is(I am expecting a tom riddle like reveal by the way) the many slivers of ideas and hidden info from the main timeline. So many ways this is inputted into the story and, the author simply forced the characters to do as the author NEEDS. I always feel the Hand of the author as soon as the kidnapping happened(even the setup felt forced. Making he immune to physical harm)


Honestly the competency of our protagonists not being a factor is a sad realization here. They have just enough to make the storyline flow as planned.

Honestly I am so disappointed and pissed that this has not been paid off in the last few chapters(41.1 included). And it seems like we will not have that in the future.

I love the characters and they way they move in the storie this.... It just feels Bland.

 

[guygarelard]

Thanks for the TL, and good luck on the rest of the current chapters

 

[Morose]

One more point just to add to be clear.


Real life condition training is used here and I loved that.


I hated that the magic sword was used as a quick fix making the MC be too late. Just to have another quick fix right there to be explained.

And it doesn't mesh well with the prior storyline. Why does the Evil sword have a function like mind crush? Is that because the hero sword is too strong or is it just a "evil/dark" aspect of the sword?


More to the point, the mage was the one who activated it so is it dark magic.


Hope that clears up most of my rant.

Thank you for responding. 😊

As i said before, a Cursed Weapon is different from a Evil/Dark aspect.

Since the effect of a Curse isn't always negative. There are stories were the curse-effect of an item turn into a blessing in the long run.

The same can be said for Dark Magic as well. Inherently Dark isn't supposed to be a negative aspect (it's supposed to be neutral), it's just that in fictions authors/writers like to portray Darkness as something bad, because of its Inherent nature of portraying the unknown. And like i mentioned, we haven't really gotten an idea on the Magic System of this world. I mean, aside from Wind, Fire, Water/Ice & Healing, what else magic have we seen in this series? Plus we don't even know much about the principles even those known ones yet. So, why would their be a need to focus on other elements.

This series isn't really focused on Magic and its Principles, like for say a series like "Knight's & Magic" or "Magic Maker".

As for the Cursed Sword, it wasn't really given to Ana as a quick fix, it was always the plan to give it to her.
Instead, the conditioning training was sort-off the quick fix, since they couldn't use normal methods to break her mentally down because of the Fairy's Blessing (originally, the plan was to physically and mentally exploit her to break her down, which actually happens to her in the game plot).
As for the Cursed Sword having a mind crush effect, that isn't odd either. It's quite common in fiction for Cursed weapons with negative effect to have mind-affecting side-effects as well (like the Curse Series mentioned in "Shield Hero"; when they get activated, the Sin associated with the Curse series takes over the mind of the Heroes and they get focused on that aspect).
Also, they didn't really give it to make it too late for MC to properly rescue Ana. Her mind was already broken quite badly, which is why the Sword was able to take hold easily. Even if MC had reached her in time before she was given the Sword, she would still need some form of rehabilitation before she could be fixed.

Plus, this series has the "Isekai based on Otome game" plot. So, it isn't odd for random weapons or stuff to pop-up in story, just like in a game (just like a random School festival which technically shouldn't happen in a medieval setting).

And just because the Mage activated the magic doesn't mean he is a Dark Magic user, as we never really got explanation on his magic nature.

 

[Kreate]

For those wondering what happens with Allen...

Spoiler

He was poisoned by a fatal poison from that arrow, but the substitution ring will take effect and he will survive.

Spoiler

Thats stupid. Which random soldier is walking around with deadly poison? Doesn't make sense even if it was an assassin.
A combination of stress, overwork, blood loss and an infection would make more sense.

 

[braewoods]

Spoiler

Thats stupid. Which random soldier is walking around with deadly poison? Doesn't make sense even if it was an assassin.
A combination of stress, overwork, blood loss and an infection would make more sense.

Spoiler

I didn't write it. I got the impression the author was trying to suggest that it was just part of the empire's standard equipment, or perhaps standard for the place Allen was infiltrating. It should be explained in the next chapter in any case, as it was in the novel.

 

[Kreate]

Spoiler

I didn't write it. I got the impression the author was trying to suggest that it was just part of the empire's standard equipment, or perhaps standard for the place Allen was infiltrating. It should be explained in the next chapter in any case, as it was in the novel.

Did not think you wrote it, i just expressed my opinion on what you said the author wrote. Which imo could have used some more thought by the author.

 

[Outflanks10]

Thanks or the translation SaebaScans

 

[The_H_Guy]

If this was taken form a novel and dark magic was not explained god help the writer with his next work cuz he might Goof up big time.

You just assume it's needed some dark magic for mind break.
I can use an hammer both to build and destroy. I don't need a dark screwdriver to dismantle something.

 

[darkdude]

This will be a bit off topic but I kind of need to. If you ever wondered about the plane Allen is flying. How it's a weird design and looks like a drawing by someone who knows little about airplanes. Here's a little fun fact. That thing actually flew, moreover it still exists today but not in airworthy condition.

The story was like this. The Soviets wanted a jet powered agricultural plane. Because why not. They ordered Polish Aircraft Company in Mielec to design it around a Soviet jet engine. What came out of this was so ugly that creators dubbed it 'Belphegor'.

It was the only jet powered agricultural plane in aviation history. And iirc only jet powered biplane.

Just like many Soviet ideas it was a failure. It was too fast for dusting the fields, had a horrendous fuel efficiency and was hard to maintain.

More on it HERE

 

[magistermind]

You just assume it's needed some dark magic for mind break.
I can use an hammer both to build and destroy. I don't need a dark screwdriver to dismantle something.

Lol, it doesn't and I hoped the would no use dark magic or cursed objects here.

Like you said they did not need it.