Chuusotsu Worker kara Hajimeru Koukou Seikatsu - Vol. 3 Ch. 12 - Exam Studies
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Wow, what a little insecure bitch. I know he lacks self-confidence but getting like that just because she is friendly to the one decent guy she knew for years is some bullshit, plus claiming their relationship is "boring" (what does that even mean?) while doing nothing to improve things.
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@Acolytus So your definition of a "decent guy" includes someone who knows that their female friend (who they are also crushing on) is getting sexually molested but did not interfere, and instead, ran away like a gutless sissy?
Katagiri could probably have continued to endure the irritation of Ouzawa and Arata's "friendship" had it not been that she demonstrated that she was perfectly fine with the coward holding her in his arms, whereas he, the hero, is treated like some kind of serial rapist if he even thinks about touching her. How ironic that the coward is treated like a hero and the hero is treated like the rapist he saved her from.
Katagiri could probably have continued to endure the irritation of Ouzawa and Arata's "friendship" had it not been that she demonstrated that she was perfectly fine with the coward holding her in his arms, whereas he, the hero, is treated like some kind of serial rapist if he even thinks about touching her. How ironic that the coward is treated like a hero and the hero is treated like the rapist he saved her from.
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@givemersspls No one said Ouzawa is blameless, she actually is, hell every victim that doesn't stand up but could be, and it's not like she was totally powerless, as we seen that guy being taken away and stuff, course there are exceptions but that's not the case here. Yet this doesn't give Arata a pass. I'm a sucker for the childhood friends usually, but in this situation, where he pretty much let her so called love being raped and only stayed on the sidelines, he deserves to get the girl taken away by the one, who actually saved her from that nightmare. "Fear of being told that it isn't his place." Katagari could've feared the same, yet he stepped up, Arata could've done the same as well, so don't make it look like his innocent in this. And it's rich for him to play the hero now, when the situation he should've already was solved by someone else.
@Acolytus He has every right to blurt out like that. His girlfriend doesn't even want to touch him, and yeah, it's understandable seeing how things were her, but then comes a guy that it's fine. That would boil any normal man's blood. Sure Katagiri is insecure, but honestly, you wouldn't be the same in his place?
@FredFriendly Totally this!
By the way, I don't think this Ouzawa - Katagiri relationship will last long. Usually when you're the cure for a psychological problem for a girl, you won't get to "reap the benefits". Sure there's a 50-50 chance, but from what I've seen, the latter isn't the case. And this particular manga seems to be pretty realistic compared to the others that out there and shows a similar situation.
@Acolytus He has every right to blurt out like that. His girlfriend doesn't even want to touch him, and yeah, it's understandable seeing how things were her, but then comes a guy that it's fine. That would boil any normal man's blood. Sure Katagiri is insecure, but honestly, you wouldn't be the same in his place?
@FredFriendly Totally this!
By the way, I don't think this Ouzawa - Katagiri relationship will last long. Usually when you're the cure for a psychological problem for a girl, you won't get to "reap the benefits". Sure there's a 50-50 chance, but from what I've seen, the latter isn't the case. And this particular manga seems to be pretty realistic compared to the others that out there and shows a similar situation.
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@FredFriendly Did he know that she was being molested? I haven't read this in a while but from what I remember he wasn't aware of it, he just felt there was something off with the guy but never acted on his suspicions. I'm not saying he is a hero, I'm just saying he is a decent guy compared to the other shit males she knew, probably the only one other than her father that she can feel relaxed around and that's only after spending years together.
@givemersspls @Istvan90623 MC is a little bitch for two reasons.
First: he got worked up about that physical contact thing and only focused on what HE felt about it instead of thinking on her own feelings about the topic. By this point, he should know she was molested for years by a member of her own family, so it's obvious she is not going to be comfortable having physical intimacy with him (specially when he doesn't want to just touch shoulders but rather wants to do more romantic stuff) and only tolerates being near the other guy because she pretty much grew up with him and even then it's not like they are hugging or holding hands, the intimacy shown this chapter was fucking nothing. I understand MC not liking the fact that he can't be intimate with her or being a little jealous, but his reaction was way overblown and seemed extremely self-centered to me.
Second and even more important: when faced with these feelings, instead of acting like a normal person and explaining his issues to her, he choose the bullshit forced drama route and got aññ agressive and cold with her while refusing to face the issue till she pushed him and forced him to explain his problem by shouting like an angry dick and treating her as if it was all her fault even though she obviously wasn't aware of the problem because HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. This is my biggest grip with him, I can understand him being jealous or a little bit selfish (he is human after all) but the way he dealt with those emotions and how she trated his girlfriend made him seem like a little insecure bitch and also an abusive asshole. It's quite telling that once she got him to drop his bullshit whining and actually talk with her, the problem was solved in 5 seconds.
So yeah, you can claim he had his reasons to feel the way he did but as I see it, he blew the issue out of proportions because he has shit confidence and refused to face said issue while treating his girlfriend (who wouldn't have chosen him if she wanted to date the other guy) like crap and that makes him an insecure little bitch. I just hopes future character development fixes this side of him because having to watch him act like an ass is really fucking annoying.
@givemersspls @Istvan90623 MC is a little bitch for two reasons.
First: he got worked up about that physical contact thing and only focused on what HE felt about it instead of thinking on her own feelings about the topic. By this point, he should know she was molested for years by a member of her own family, so it's obvious she is not going to be comfortable having physical intimacy with him (specially when he doesn't want to just touch shoulders but rather wants to do more romantic stuff) and only tolerates being near the other guy because she pretty much grew up with him and even then it's not like they are hugging or holding hands, the intimacy shown this chapter was fucking nothing. I understand MC not liking the fact that he can't be intimate with her or being a little jealous, but his reaction was way overblown and seemed extremely self-centered to me.
Second and even more important: when faced with these feelings, instead of acting like a normal person and explaining his issues to her, he choose the bullshit forced drama route and got aññ agressive and cold with her while refusing to face the issue till she pushed him and forced him to explain his problem by shouting like an angry dick and treating her as if it was all her fault even though she obviously wasn't aware of the problem because HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. This is my biggest grip with him, I can understand him being jealous or a little bit selfish (he is human after all) but the way he dealt with those emotions and how she trated his girlfriend made him seem like a little insecure bitch and also an abusive asshole. It's quite telling that once she got him to drop his bullshit whining and actually talk with her, the problem was solved in 5 seconds.
So yeah, you can claim he had his reasons to feel the way he did but as I see it, he blew the issue out of proportions because he has shit confidence and refused to face said issue while treating his girlfriend (who wouldn't have chosen him if she wanted to date the other guy) like crap and that makes him an insecure little bitch. I just hopes future character development fixes this side of him because having to watch him act like an ass is really fucking annoying.
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@givemersspls When Ouzawa yelled, "Don't touch me" at the scumbag while in front of her mother and aunt (chapter 5), what did her mother do? Did she ask what was the matter? Did she show any concern for her daughter at all? No, she slapped her as hard as she could. Lesson learned: if scumbag touches you, keep your mouth shut.
Huh? If you re-read chapter 7, you will see that Arata was, indeed, there, and had a "conversation" with the scumbag when he went up to Ouzawa's room, but Arata ran out of the house like a whimpering dog with his tail between his legs.
@givemersspls When Ouzawa yelled, "Don't touch me" at the scumbag while in front of her mother and aunt (chapter 5), what did her mother do? Did she ask what was the matter? Did she show any concern for her daughter at all? No, she slapped her as hard as she could. Lesson learned: if scumbag touches you, keep your mouth shut.
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@givemersspls And yet an even more lowly someone comes for the rescue, so this kind of cements Arata's situation as a wimp.
@Acolytus She was molested for years by someone that was close to her, so she isn't fine to touch with someone who saved her from that situation, but she's okay to touch another that she was close with for years. Somewhat that is condtradictially. And while it's nothing, it's still more that she shown towards to her own bf. When you talk about speaking about these things nicely and stuff, that's an idealistic approach, which doesn't really work in real life, and the series itself has that touch upon it as I mentioned earlier. The girl was pretty much ignorant to the situation, so yep, she needed this kind of wake up call. Could he been more cool headed about it? Sure. Would anyone else had? Not really. Either you keep it inside, and it stacks up, essentially blowing, or you keep it inside till the end, which is unhealthy tbh.
@Acolytus She was molested for years by someone that was close to her, so she isn't fine to touch with someone who saved her from that situation, but she's okay to touch another that she was close with for years. Somewhat that is condtradictially. And while it's nothing, it's still more that she shown towards to her own bf. When you talk about speaking about these things nicely and stuff, that's an idealistic approach, which doesn't really work in real life, and the series itself has that touch upon it as I mentioned earlier. The girl was pretty much ignorant to the situation, so yep, she needed this kind of wake up call. Could he been more cool headed about it? Sure. Would anyone else had? Not really. Either you keep it inside, and it stacks up, essentially blowing, or you keep it inside till the end, which is unhealthy tbh.
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@Rheeve Oh, I didn't remember that. Then maybe calling him a "decent guy" isn't right, calling him "a guy she has known for a long time who isn't a rapist" would be better and my point stands anyway.
@givemersspls I never really talked about how good it is for them to stay together (and after seeing MC act like a dick I wouldn't even say I think they should be together) but that's beside the point because even if they aren't meant to be together, that's a decision they should reach together. Letting his groundless jealousy cloud his mind, making one-sided decisions and angrily shouting at her was definitey not the way he shoul have touched the subject if he really thought they should break up (and he doesn't really want that, his shit confidence just makes him think that). She should have a say on this matters or at least a chance to explain herself, but MC was more focused on his own issues than on what she had to say about that whole mess, until she forced him to hear and proved his fears were pointless.
@Istvan90623 Traumas aren't a logical thing. She was molested by years by a guy so it takes time for her to get used to being touched by a guy she hasn't known for so long. Arata has been by her side for years so she is used to his presence, to the point she doesn't think much about it (which makes MC's worries even more stupid, because physical intimacy is worthless if the girl doesn't see anything special or intimate on it). The personal qualities of Arata or MC aren't of that much importance for her trauma, though her feeling for MC certainly help since she can kiss him and initiate some physical contact without freaking out. Dude is expecting her to get over years of sexual molestation and almost getting raped not so long ago in a matter of weeks, simply because he finds a relationship with no physical contact "boring".
And the girl didn't need any wake-up call, she wasn't in the wrong in the first place. It was MC who needed to realize he was being a little bitch and that he was allowing his self-confidence issues make a problem out of nothing.
I know you can't just always talk things out IRL and that some people won't hear you even if you try (like the stupid mum) but that doesn't change the fact that keeping these things inside and acting like a dick to your own girlfriend is not the way to deal with such a situation.
@givemersspls I never really talked about how good it is for them to stay together (and after seeing MC act like a dick I wouldn't even say I think they should be together) but that's beside the point because even if they aren't meant to be together, that's a decision they should reach together. Letting his groundless jealousy cloud his mind, making one-sided decisions and angrily shouting at her was definitey not the way he shoul have touched the subject if he really thought they should break up (and he doesn't really want that, his shit confidence just makes him think that). She should have a say on this matters or at least a chance to explain herself, but MC was more focused on his own issues than on what she had to say about that whole mess, until she forced him to hear and proved his fears were pointless.
@Istvan90623 Traumas aren't a logical thing. She was molested by years by a guy so it takes time for her to get used to being touched by a guy she hasn't known for so long. Arata has been by her side for years so she is used to his presence, to the point she doesn't think much about it (which makes MC's worries even more stupid, because physical intimacy is worthless if the girl doesn't see anything special or intimate on it). The personal qualities of Arata or MC aren't of that much importance for her trauma, though her feeling for MC certainly help since she can kiss him and initiate some physical contact without freaking out. Dude is expecting her to get over years of sexual molestation and almost getting raped not so long ago in a matter of weeks, simply because he finds a relationship with no physical contact "boring".
And the girl didn't need any wake-up call, she wasn't in the wrong in the first place. It was MC who needed to realize he was being a little bitch and that he was allowing his self-confidence issues make a problem out of nothing.
I know you can't just always talk things out IRL and that some people won't hear you even if you try (like the stupid mum) but that doesn't change the fact that keeping these things inside and acting like a dick to your own girlfriend is not the way to deal with such a situation.
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@givemersspls Yeah, I expressed myself poorly. What I meant is that they should at least have a talk about their issues so Ouzawa not only understands why they are breaking up but also has a chance to defend herself or at least clear out any misunderstandings (like she did now). If MC wanted to break up, then he should totally break up with her, but I think there is a difference between "I don't think this relationship will work and I want to break up" and "WAAAH WAAH IF YOU FEEL SO COMFORTABLE WITH THAT GUY THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD DATE HIM! THIS IS OVER" specially when MC was trying to break up with her by claiming he was just doing what was best for her.
It's all a matter of reasons. If he didn't enjoy being in a relationship with Ouzawa or felt they just didn't work as a couple, I'd fine with it, but getting worked up over nothing, keeping silent about your issues, giving her the cold shoulder and then shouting at her to go date someone else when confronted about his shit attitude seem more like the actions of a cliche abusive boyfriend than those of the MC I'm supposed to root for.
It's all a matter of reasons. If he didn't enjoy being in a relationship with Ouzawa or felt they just didn't work as a couple, I'd fine with it, but getting worked up over nothing, keeping silent about your issues, giving her the cold shoulder and then shouting at her to go date someone else when confronted about his shit attitude seem more like the actions of a cliche abusive boyfriend than those of the MC I'm supposed to root for.
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@Uvenam My my. How juvenile. Even your response sounds just like him.
PS: If you asked that question in the first place, it seems like you either haven't read the series up til now, or you haven't understood what you read. Or, like kronix, perhaps you constantly have your mind in the gutter. And, you're right, what you said wasn't worth much of anything (so why bother saying it at all).
PS: If you asked that question in the first place, it seems like you either haven't read the series up til now, or you haven't understood what you read. Or, like kronix, perhaps you constantly have your mind in the gutter. And, you're right, what you said wasn't worth much of anything (so why bother saying it at all).
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