Clarification on rules and moderation

[Teddy]

Not related by Cash Money Chiyo have the best credit pages.

 

[HeroicPasserby]

It's fine as it is. You're doing great job and don't need to change anything.

 

[theroachoftime]

one of my favorite things about mangadex is how easy it is to not look at comments unless you really want to. making it something you have to click to get to rather than just scroll down may be the best, if simplest, innovation this site has made. it makes for a much more pleasant reading experience.
sure there are certain credits pages and within-the-manga-notes that push too far, picking fights, talking trash, some containing straight-up hate speech, and maybe the mods could be a little stricter on that front, but enough time on the internet has left me pretty numb to that sort of trolling bullshit anyway.
ultimately i think it's better to leave the rules a little vague to allow mods some flexibility to make case by case judgments. so far i think they're doing a decent job. it's a privately run, not for profit manga reader, not a court of law.

 

[Perim]

If common sense wasn't so rare, you wouldn't need so many rules.

It's like speed limits: the people most likely to complain are the people most likely to break them.

It is called 'moderation', just do it moderately.

 

[bigd7481]

I voted #2. I believe moderation efforts are satisfactory. Also these Scanlation groups that are getting angry over sniping and troll credit pages throwing hate towards them, do they have so little confidence in their work that they let the hate get to them? If their work is good then the readers ignore the hate.

 

[jak]

What happened?

 

[PTRB]

Never had any problems with moderation. Always been one to laugh when one scanlation group pokes fun at another (e.g. memeing Kirei Cake). I find that the less moderation, the better.

Spoiler

btw, was it rapeman who did the New Zealand shooting reference, or some no-namer

 

[theroachoftime]

@jak not sure how many manga it was happening on but the one i saw was Anjou-san. one group was doing the translation and asking for donations in their credits page. another jumped on it and called out the first for asking for donations. then the first got angry and pulled their chapters.

@PTRB of course it was rapeman. dude craves drama like most people crave air.

 

[Eeliejun]

Tbh, I think Mangadex is doing good with moderating the site. Picked option one because the rules should be more clearly defined and fleshed out so that all loopholes are closed. Because so long the loopholes are not closed you will still have people crying over things. Better to be clear so you will not need to hear but the rules are not clear. For more moderating it would be a no from me I think it is fine like this.

 

[NeoDark]

For the most part, I'm fine with the moderation team but my biggest complaint is that the forum rules should really be the community rules. You have two big rules for the forums that state
1) Be Civil
2) Don’t Be Disruptive - d) No trolling.

Here's the thing. When you're using a credits page to start drama and knowing so rather than opening a forum thread to create proper discussion that in my opinion is no longer considered civil. It's also disruptive since the discussion of the manga breaks away from the manga itself. Most of all, it's trolling and you guys recognized it was trolling and I remember seeing a staff member calling it that in the Discord channel and that's where I believe things crosses the line. Why should scanlation groups deserve to have another source of outlet to break the rules everyone else adheres to? That just makes it look like they're above the rules just because they're scanlators.

That said, I really love this site and this is the first time in over a decade and a half of manga reading that I have ever made an account on a manga site and rigorously track my reading activity so great job on that and I really hope you guys continue to improve and take feedback like this into consideration.

Edit: agreed on what @Daktyl said

 

[Daktyl]

While I agree with the sentiment behind the post, I do question the logic of asking the general reader base about how you should go about moderating scanlator activities, rather than asking the scanlators themselves. You guys have done a pretty good job moderating other aspects of the site to the tone of “don’t be a dick” so most readers see that you’re doing alright and will vote that way. The drama was over scanlator moderation.

 

[Idkwho]

I think that some leeway in the interpretation of rules is important to efficiently manage any community, strict zero tolerance policies and strict definitions allow for more loopholes and stupid situations over time.

The moderation teams have been good to us thus far and the community has been overall positive, so "fixing" something that isn't broken seems like a bad idea. Keep the status quo.

 

[Hobnobs]

There should be a 4th option. The first option is a bit disingenuous.

Yes, I believe that the current rules should be more clearly defined and fleshed out so that all loopholes are closed. Moderators should take a stronger stance on moderating user conduct.

What if we want the rules to be more clearly defined but are satisfactory with current moderation or even want moderation to relax a bit.

 

[BestBoy]

Voted #1. Anonymity breeds toxicity and the only thing to curb it are rules. As for credit pages, they need to be moderated the same as comments or forum posts, because that's what they are essentially.

 

[Nakanowatari]

I voted 2, but thats my opinion as a reader not as a scanlator.

I agree with Daktyl here. I dont think theres any reader who's having any problem with the current mangadex, Id even go as far as saying more moderation wont change anything much for the reader. The one having problem are the scanlator, or at least some of them.

Regarding the credit page, I dont think its necessary to overly moderate them. The groups that made the recent drama are pretty hypocritical to begin with. Anon and a bunch of others have "memed" other groups credit page (like kirei and LH) but they never say anything until their friends finally got hit.

But then again, Im just a reader who doesnt scanlate so my opinion doesnt really matter much to begin with

 

[ABCsOfLife]

I think people just don't want to get moderate first and then get a DM warning later.

Like from how I see it as a bystander,
it's kinda like when you see a cop arresting people, then throwing them in jail, and then tell them that they broke some law and that they should not have done that. Which then resulting the people who lash out calling the cop action unjustified.
(sorry if the example a bit extreme)

Then again, I do get the mods are there to enforce the rule and they can't done that fast enough if they go around giving a warning first then moderate later but,
if it's something that are not quite obvious... (such as.. Scanlation drama)
Perhaps a mod should inquire more on the situation, before taking action?

 

[Chabry3]

Not much to add, almost all has been said, and I don't have enough energy to tell everything that I consider good or wrong with the actual system.

Just wanted to ask a question:

Is this a site by scanlators and for scanlators, or a site by scanlators and for readers?

Difference? Well, if you prioritize scanlators you have, up to some extent, preference over big scanlation groups, or scanlation groups that have supported Mangadex for a long-term.

On the contrary, if you priotize readers, then any hooligan can form a group and call himself a scanlation group, and has the ipso-facto right to shit on groups that have been doing their part for a long time.

Does this mean moderating sniping? Not really, but giving full rights to any newcomer and/or anonymous, in a drama-involved scene like this seems, at least, a risky decision.

 

[art17]

Voted 3,

I'm getting sick of this "don't hurt muh feelings" shit.

"If someone put a page that offends me, Imma deleting it".

mods confirmed for snowflakes.

 

[Happily_Grim]

The more rules you make the more stupidly convoluted things will become, the more things can be misinterpreted and the more time will be wasted arguing over stupid things simply because a lot of peoples fragile ego's would rather bitch and argue than admit they may be wrong.

This place needs to seriously streamline their rules and stop fucking with them all the time. You guys are essentially manga fans running a piracy website playing make believe that it's some big business social media venture.

All of this is simply supposed to be fun. If you find you're doing things out of obligation and stress is piling up, regardless of your role here, then you need to step back and reevaluate what you're doing and why.

 

[Lithe]

Allowing the viewing of "moderated comments" as a setting is good enough for me.