Class de 2 Banme ni Kawaii Onna no Ko to Tomodachi ni Natta - Ch. 31.1 - Meeting

[Haze123553]

Yeah you rly dont understand if you think he CHOSE the work....

Work probably was mostly the same, but over the years started to accumulate the stress that before was tolerable. Thats the usual story

Tell me how it is a choice.
If he doesnt work ad the company demands, he will be shunned, fired and branded as a bad worker and who knows what kind of company will even hire someone like this.

Well doesnt rly matter where you are from, but your understanding of "choice" over work culture in Japan shows at the very least total lack of understanding towards that.

If choices towards work for a man were so easy, stress over it or level of suicide in asia wouldnt be as high....

And you try to portray that Maki and his mom are doing "just fine" now when Maki is doing mostly all the house work.... Tell me how this is irrelevant because the father was trying to prevent exactly that...


WELL ANYWAY, I guess the botton line is

I guess the bottom line is that you refuse to understand the pressure and consequences of the toxic working culture from Japan, so you will keep pushing that it was just an "option" that the dad had... just his choices...

And you think Maki and his mom are living just as fine with her wage as well...

So, I guess we will never have an understanding, so I guess there's that. Well, you are free to have any opinion you want, sure, lol.

Ahh yes because career change is illegal in japan, jesus you westerners think just because there are toxic elements to Japanese work it's literally the only thing in Japan. Yes it's bad but is it impossible? No.

He CHOSE to stay working there, just because the choice is shitty it's still a choice to continue it.

And it's funny how just because you can't accept someone has a different opinion on something you think they don't understand it, really makes me think your just a kid who thinks they know everything about how the world works.

And yes apply suicide statistics for a whole continent to a very specific scenario that sure teaches me how great your understanding is.

And oh no Makis life is ruined he has too... Help out in the house? Like Jesus how will the poor boy ever live 😥 and the father tried to prevent it by.... Doing everything possible to make that the reality he knew would come of getting a divorce? Like explain the logic please.

Even if he gets the divorce now he's paying for a whole new apartment whilst giving his paycheck to his ex (so ofc it won't be as much as he was giving to the house as before because his pay check is getting split between more things) so maki was somehow not going to have to do work at home??? Your logic makes no sense. But sure you understand everything I guess.


And dismissing all that to still not answer my question. What about this doesn't make him a deadbeat again?

 

[shinshom]

TL;DR: dw about it... you can keep your emotional opinions just fine... I guess I feel dumb bringing data to actually counter argument when you FEEL like they WANTED this outcome.... so idk.... your opinion I guess... don't need to read anything below.

Ahh yes because career change is illegal in japan, jesus you westerners think just because there are toxic elements to Japanese work it's literally the only thing in Japan. Yes it's bad but is it impossible? No.

.... well maybe I am lacking some backgroudn indeed.... growing up in a japanese family maybe was not enough... or maybe even having japanese blood is not enough as well.. you assuming how their society works has more ground, yeah for sure.

It's not like my uncle tried to leave a company out of abuse and he was branded unhirable in his field (sure only in his city, moving out is a solution... easy solution right?) and had to change fields... yeah that never happend, your assumptions makes more sense.

Sorry lowering my argument as "you westners" doesnt add up when you probably have no saying at all on this. My family had enough experience with the toxic work enviroment in Japan than you have knowledge... and sure most of them still prefere Japan and yada yada...

He CHOSE to stay working there, just because the choice is shitty it's still a choice to continue it.

Choice sure. Choice between getting fired or work, he chose to work. Choice between burning his bridges towards promotion, or choice between a possibility of growing work. He chose to work. Choice between losing all oportunities and maybe even getting overworked to death, or having more chances to grow. He chose to work.

Yeah... he CHOSE.... idk if you paid attention, he is still a classic "salaryman".... not confirmed its a specific "black company" but doesnt eliminate those simple hierarchy existent inside the office.

And it's funny how just because you can't accept someone has a different opinion on something you think they don't understand it, really makes me think your just a kid who thinks they know everything about how the world works.

This trully sounds your arguments because you have no basis... like... none at all... do you even read about japanese society?... I mean sure in the 2000s was worse but come on...

And yes apply suicide statistics for a whole continent to a very specific scenario that sure teaches me how great your understanding is.

In Japan, suicide related to work is such a big social problem that there is even a specific name "karojisatsu" and this is not even putting into the statistic death by overworking, that its a common thing in japanese society as well..... like.... do you really want to enter in this discussion?

And oh no Makis life is ruined he has too... Help out in the house? Like Jesus how will the poor boy ever live 😥 and the father tried to prevent it by.... Doing everything possible to make that the reality he knew would come of getting a divorce? Like explain the logic please.

Quite a pathetic excuse for sarcasm, but the point is that the father was overworking himself to give a better life to Maki and his wife. But now, because Maki has to help with almost everything in the house (don't forget mom works almost full day) he almost has no social life.... so I guess what Dad was doing was actually working in a way. His lack of communication brought other problems but this is a deeper issue, because he had a point and Maki in the begining of the manga being the way he was in the begining is due to all of this.

Even if he gets the divorce now he's paying for a whole new apartment whilst giving his paycheck to his ex (so ofc it won't be as much as he was giving to the house as before because his pay check is getting split between more things) so maki was somehow not going to have to do work at home??? Your logic makes no sense. But sure you understand everything I guess.

I might be confusing here, maybe on the manga was not stated this, but the mom says clearly at some point that Father was sending enough money for the mom stay in the house and do all by herself without relying on Maki.... idk why you are playing dumb, thats the whole point of him sending enough money for them to take care of themselves....

And dismissing all that to still not answer my question. What about this doesn't make him a deadbeat again?

Actually different from you I wasted a shit ton of time adress every single of your points while u skip things you are unconfortable or don't have arguments clearly.

but ok... I confess I didnt understand exactly what u meant with "deadbeat" because felt just like a stupid pejorative slur. Doing my research: "t looks like you meant "deadbeat." A deadbeat is someone who avoids their responsibilities, especially financial ones. "

Is this the right definition? Like.... the only thing he never failed was providing financial support so I hope I am wrong here with my second language lack of understanding because I hope you are not trying to reinforce another lack of ground point pls.... wtf...

 

[Haze123553]

TL;DR: dw about it... you can keep your emotional opinions just fine... I guess I feel dumb bringing data to actually counter argument when you FEEL like they WANTED this outcome.... so idk.... your opinion I guess... don't need to read anything below.




.... well maybe I am lacking some backgroudn indeed.... growing up in a japanese family maybe was not enough... or maybe even having japanese blood is not enough as well.. you assuming how their society works has more ground, yeah for sure.

It's not like my uncle tried to leave a company out of abuse and he was branded unhirable in his field (sure only in his city, moving out is a solution... easy solution right?) and had to change fields... yeah that never happend, your assumptions makes more sense.

Sorry lowering my argument as "you westners" doesnt add up when you probably have no saying at all on this. My family had enough experience with the toxic work enviroment in Japan than you have knowledge... and sure most of them still prefere Japan and yada yada...


Choice sure. Choice between getting fired or work, he chose to work. Choice between burning his bridges towards promotion, or choice between a possibility of growing work. He chose to work. Choice between losing all oportunities and maybe even getting overworked to death, or having more chances to grow. He chose to work.

Yeah... he CHOSE.... idk if you paid attention, he is still a classic "salaryman".... not confirmed its a specific "black company" but doesnt eliminate those simple hierarchy existent inside the office.


This trully sounds your arguments because you have no basis... like... none at all... do you even read about japanese society?... I mean sure in the 2000s was worse but come on...




In Japan, suicide related to work is such a big social problem that there is even a specific name "karojisatsu" and this is not even putting into the statistic death by overworking, that its a common thing in japanese society as well..... like.... do you really want to enter in this discussion?



Quite a pathetic excuse for sarcasm, but the point is that the father was overworking himself to give a better life to Maki and his wife. But now, because Maki has to help with almost everything in the house (don't forget mom works almost full day) he almost has no social life.... so I guess what Dad was doing was actually working in a way. His lack of communication brought other problems but this is a deeper issue, because he had a point and Maki in the begining of the manga being the way he was in the begining is due to all of this.





I might be confusing here, maybe on the manga was not stated this, but the mom says clearly at some point that Father was sending enough money for the mom stay in the house and do all by herself without relying on Maki.... idk why you are playing dumb, thats the whole point of him sending enough money for them to take care of themselves....






Actually different from you I wasted a shit ton of time adress every single of your points while u skip things you are unconfortable or don't have arguments clearly.

but ok... I confess I didnt understand exactly what u meant with "deadbeat" because felt just like a stupid pejorative slur. Doing my research: "t looks like you meant "deadbeat." A deadbeat is someone who avoids their responsibilities, especially financial ones. "

Is this the right definition? Like.... the only thing he never failed was providing financial support so I hope I am wrong here with my second language lack of understanding because I hope you are not trying to reinforce another lack of ground point pls.... wtf...

You literally haven't brought any data wtf you talking about. Vaguely refering to a work culture isn't data.

Bitch two can play at that game I'm Japanese too in culture albeit not straight birth it just isn't relative to the discussion which is why I didn't bring it up till now, don't act like it's all the same your anecdotal example of your uncle baby be extrapolated for all scenarios trying to act like emotionally charged sequiturs are a valid source of real stratifiable conclusions is simply insincere.

Guess what you know what my family did, they chose to find work in another country instead of living the life you're talking about even if it meant having to start over somewhere else, like I said it is a choice and that dad made it.

 

[shinshom]

You literally haven't brought any data wtf you talking about. Vaguely refering to a work culture isn't data.

Bitch two can play at that game I'm Japanese too in culture albeit not straight birth it just isn't relative to the discussion which is why I didn't bring it up till now, don't act like it's all the same your anecdotal example of your uncle baby be extrapolated for all scenarios trying to act like emotionally charged sequiturs are a valid source of real stratifiable conclusions is simply insincere.

Guess what you know what my family did, they chose to find work in another country instead of living the life you're talking about even if it meant having to start over somewhere else, like I said it is a choice and that dad made it.

Yeah My uncle managed to change fields as well but it was a full restart.

But restarting, even in a different province,.is something that 90% of families cant do..your family changing countries shows how priviledge they are and how naive you are saying that its about "choice", thinking everyone could (welp assuming its true, its quite convenient you bringing this only after I mention).

I brought data, u ignore. I answer all your points, you brush it off.

I bring life experiences examples and I guess its not enough.

Keep your naive emotional opinions then, but pushing it as the norm makes you look like an idiot that doesnt know a thing of what you are saying.

Actually the whole point was to show that the dad didnt have much choices.

If your option was "changing countries" and you dont recognize how hard it is, or you are rly stupid or you just lied LOL

 

[Haze123553]

Yeah My uncle managed to change fields as well but it was a full restart.

But restarting, even in a different province,.is something that 90% of families cant do..your family changing countries shows how priviledge they are and how naive you are saying that its about "choice", thinking everyone could (welp assuming its true, its quite convenient you bringing this only after I mention).

I brought data, u ignore. I answer all your points, you brush it off.

I bring life experiences examples and I guess its not enough.

Keep your naive emotional opinions then, but pushing it as the norm makes you look like an idiot that doesnt know a thing of what you are saying.

Actually the whole point was to show that the dad didnt have much choices.

If your option was "changing countries" and you dont recognize how hard it is, or you are rly stupid or you just lied LOL

You saying a statement doesn't make it data idk if you know what data means. And even then is it relevant, and is it applicable.

I could say majority of japanese marriages don't end in divorce that's data but is it relevant? No.

Not too be rude Your life experience was always irrelevant to the discussion

I can't believe how dumb you are that you think it's about simple fixes. THE WHOLE POINT IS THE DAD DIDN'T CHOOSE HARD CHOICES AND DIDN'T FIGHT FOR HIS FAMILY, no one said moving countries or even cities is easy but he chose to not do that and get a divorce that's my point. He emotionally checked out way before from his family that includes his son, like we said it's not like he was ever home while he was working them long hours, and that was fundamentally my point. He is a dead beat dad.

 

[shinshom]

You saying a statement doesn't make it data idk if you know what data means. And even then is it relevant, and is it applicable.

I could say majority of japanese marriages don't end in divorce that's data but is it relevant? No.

Not too be rude Your life experience was always irrelevant to the discussion

I can't believe how dumb you are that you think it's about simple fixes. THE WHOLE POINT IS THE DAD DIDN'T CHOOSE HARD CHOICES AND DIDN'T FIGHT FOR HIS FAMILY, no one said moving countries or even cities is easy but he chose to not do that and get a divorce that's my point. He emotionally checked out way before from his family that includes his son, like we said it's not like he was ever home while he was working them long hours, and that was fundamentally my point. He is a dead beat dad.

facepalm...... sure buddy.... I just give up on you now.... you insist on the same stupid things over and over that you are just not worth it. Keep that thought... be strong..... but read a bit more because this naivity is
... idk twitter level..... ggs.

Your feelings over facts are way too strong fella.... hope you grow up from this.

 

[Haze123553]

facepalm...... sure buddy.... I just give up on you now.... you insist on the same stupid things over and over that you are just not worth it. Keep that thought... be strong..... but read a bit more because this naivity is
... idk twitter level..... ggs.

Your feelings over facts are way too strong fella.... hope you grow up from this.

Yhh the guy who thinks saying something= making a fact telling me about being strong.

Also someone acting pseudo intellectual should atleast be able to spell the word there using to insult somone 'naivety' "naivity". There is an odd irony in that the person who thinks they know it all doesn't seem to spot the things they themselves say that make em look like a dumbass

 

[RealIntrovert]

Man... no wonder there's an upsurge in comments in here, There's a war going on in here

 

[AsteroidCreator99]

Wait, I did start reading this today and I alredy get here?

 

[Xalphire]

I don't want it to end...

Aww, Umi came around her fears, though I’m kinda disappointed they didn’t include Maki hugging Umi when they were talking in the WN, unless it got canned in the LN, I’ll have to reread it again I guess. Don’t worry, we’re quite literally near the end, the end of this arc is so good (confession), just hoping it captures 1:1 from the LN.