Class no Daikirai na Joshi to Kekkon Suru Koto ni Natta - Vol. 6 Ch. 35.2

[AzraelPrimal]

What a piece of cuntent I actually liked the vanilla ish story earlier I continue to have lower expectations from this manga every chapter.

Unfortunately, the quality of romcoms drastically go down when the author decides to turn them into harems.

 

[casgar]

Unfortunately, the quality of romcoms drastically go down when the author decides to turn them into harems.

I agree even most non harem romcom's are like this because the author can't write for shit unless their is a rival who has to get in the way of some good old vanilla romance. My fav series are stuff like tonikaku kawaii and 365 days until they get married simply because they dont force feed rivals into our throat its hard to find anything good nowdays.

 

[Callidus]

they're literally trying to claim the MC doesnt enjoy their bickering, and I'm providing information that contradicts their poor interpretation. Their bickering is not something he comes to love after a while, it is not some external information that is only developed in the novels. This is how he always thought.
I could sit here and try to convince them using only manga pages, but since they came up with that stupid point in the first place by being manga-onlys, I had to bring external FACTUAL information that is explained in the novels.

it literally doesn't matter where the information comes from, that's a core aspect to his character. He enjoys their bickering together, end of story. If you can't understand that, you as just as much as an oblivious dimwit as them

Doesn't matter. You cannot bring in outside information into an adaptation as the adaptation is it's own medium. If the adaptation failed to present information found in the original source, that is a failure on the adaptation. It is not up to the people reading the adaptation to assume information that is not provided. We can only take what is given to us. This is a fairly simple concept

 

[ninolover69]

Doesn't matter. You cannot bring in outside information into an adaptation as the adaptation is it's own medium. If the adaptation failed to present information found in the original source, that is a failure on the adaptation. It is not up to the people reading the adaptation to assume information that is not provided. We can only take what is given to us. This is a fairly simple concept

What are you talking about? That is not something up for interpretation or debate. We were talking about Saito's character and his relationship with Akane. That is NOT something that changes if it's anime manga or light novel. It's one of the reasons he fucking marries her for fucks sake. For some reason those guys thought that contradicting his character was the best way to win that argument
It's as simple as seeing how he never gets truly angry at her, how he still treasures her in their own time at home, if there were truly any resentment they wouldn't be able to stand each other. I'm sure you're aware that's not something exclusive to the light novel.

 

[Callidus]

What are you talking about? That is not something up for interpretation or debate. We were talking about Saito's character and his relationship with Akane. That is NOT something that changes if it's anime manga or light novel. It's one of the reasons he fucking marries her for fucks sake. For some reason those guys thought that contradicting his character was the best way to win that argument
It's as simple as seeing how he never gets truly angry at her, how he still treasures her in their own time at home, if there were truly any resentment they wouldn't be able to stand each other. I'm sure you're aware that's not something exclusive to the light novel.

You're right, it's not up to interpretation or debate. You should not use an outside source as defense for why something (or someone) is a certain way based upon the adaptation. I'll try to be a bit more clear about why.

You say that Saito's character and his relationship with Akane is something that does not change between mediums. That is false. The information you are providing has not been shown to us yet in the anime or manga. The reason we have been telling you that the information from the LN is useless is because both adaptations can change it if they decide to do so because all the mediums are their own thing. At any point the mangaka can look at the information you provided and go "nah that's silly, I'm gonna change it" since the information you provided has not been hinted at whatsoever.

Now to tackle your last few sentences, since it seems you are using Saito's patience has a reason why the information you provided is relevant, it just tells me that you have limited experience in interpersonal relationships. I hate my coworkers. Me hating my coworkers does not mean I ignore them. It does not mean I antagonize them. It does not mean that I am not nice to them. I am however forced to maintain a professional relationship with them because of my close proximity to them despite my personal feelings. We have Akane's personal feelings here since it has been shown to us that she doesn't actually hate Saito. Saito's perspective has not been shown to such a degree. As far as we, the manga and/or anime viewers, are aware, Saito may have an actual disliking of Akane because of how she acts but is forced to be cordial because of the relationship they currently have. The perspective that you have is currently exclusive to the light novel since the two other adaptations has not shown that perspective.

I don't know how much more clear I can be about this.

 

[ninolover69]

You're right, it's not up to interpretation or debate. You should not use an outside source as defense for why something (or someone) is a certain way based upon the adaptation. I'll try to be a bit more clear about why.

You say that Saito's character and his relationship with Akane is something that does not change between mediums. That is false. The information you are providing has not been shown to us yet in the anime or manga. The reason we have been telling you that the information from the LN is useless is because both adaptations can change it if they decide to do so because all the mediums are their own thing. At any point the mangaka can look at the information you provided and go "nah that's silly, I'm gonna change it" since the information you provided has not been hinted at whatsoever.

Now to tackle your last few sentences, since it seems you are using Saito's patience has a reason why the information you provided is relevant, it just tells me that you have limited experience in interpersonal relationships. I hate my coworkers. Me hating my coworkers does not mean I ignore them. It does not mean I antagonize them. It does not mean that I am not nice to them. I am however forced to maintain a professional relationship with them because of my close proximity to them despite my personal feelings. We have Akane's personal feelings here since it has been shown to us that she doesn't actually hate Saito. Saito's perspective has not been shown to such a degree. As far as we, the manga and/or anime viewers, are aware, Saito may have an actual disliking of Akane because of how she acts but is forced to be cordial because of the relationship they currently have. The perspective that you have is currently exclusive to the light novel since the two other adaptations has not shown that perspective.

I don't know how much more clear I can be about this.

I'm baffled how you came to the conclusion that whatever the fuck you tried to pull using your personal experience could be comparable to anything about their relationship. He doesn't hate her and has never shown genuine hatred toward her. You have real feelings of hate for your coworkers. You're saying that he could be just faking niceness because that's what YOU do, but that is simply not what he's doing, that is not his character. It doesn't matter how much you try to debate with me, that won't change his character.
It honestly feels like you just really wanted an excuse to attack me with that cute attempt of yours.
It's also adorable how you ignored when I mentioned Saito treasures his time with Akane, but that wouldn't align with your personal experience with your coworkers since you "hate" them vewy vewy mush

Then you tried to argue that "both adaptations can change it if they want!", and it was clear that somehow you failed to understand the simple argument I provided. Maybe you didn't pay enough attention, or you simply lacked the capacity to do so. If you re-read carefully, you will notice I never argued that an anime could not change the source material. I stated that in this story, Saito's character and his relationship with Akane do NOT change depending on the adaptation. It doesn't matter if they could do it, they didn't, and the same information remains there.
I don't know what went through your head to claim they re-wrote their relationship or that we can't understand what he is thinking. That's such an idiotic thing to say that I'm surprised you were bold enough to do so. The information and arguments I provided align with all three versions of the story.

My introduction to this story was via the manga, that was all I read until I saw the anime announcement, after that I dropped the manga and waited for the anime. I waited until all 12 episodes aired to pick up the manga again, and after that, I continued to the light novel. It makes no sense for you people to say "well, the anime/manga didn't make it clear!" when my first experience with the story was the same as yours, and for me, it was always abundantly clear that Saito has feelings for Akane and enjoys their time together. Yes, including the bickering.

Him playing along with her outbursts and adding to her absurd claims not proof enough for you? Or when he made those strawberry sandwiches to give her energy while she was studying? Or when he skipped his grandpa's party to meet Akane because she felt lonely?
If you can look at moments like those and claim to me that he doesn't care for her, that he shows resentment, that we can't know what he's thinking, that he's only doing it out of politeness, that when he says "I hate her too!" he genuinely means it, then you're too fucking stupid to understand his character and we are long past the point of what is considered a serious discussion and this conversation is over.

THIS IS NOT EVEN A COMPLICATED STORY. I genuinely can't understand how you people can watch it and come up with any conclusion other than that. It makes me wonder if this is all some type of projection, maybe you had a bad experience with someone difficult to deal with like Akane in real life, and now you're projecting your anger toward the characters and expecting Saito to share the same resentment as you. But he doesn't. Never have and never will.

 

[masterofcringe]

Um, I just noticed this but.... where did the ring Saito bought for Akane earlier go? Was that ring some non-canon shit the author just put in there for a teenie bit?

 

[masterofcringe]

I'm disturbed that the ring Saito bought has straight up just disappeared.

 

[masterofcringe]

I'm baffled how you came to the conclusion that whatever the fuck you tried to pull using your personal experience could be comparable to anything about their relationship. He doesn't hate her and has never shown genuine hatred toward her. You have real feelings of hate for your coworkers. You're saying that he could be just faking niceness because that's what YOU do, but that is simply not what he's doing, that is not his character. It doesn't matter how much you try to debate with me, that won't change his character.
It honestly feels like you just really wanted an excuse to attack me with that cute attempt of yours.
It's also adorable how you ignored when I mentioned Saito treasures his time with Akane, but that wouldn't align with your personal experience with your coworkers since you "hate" them vewy vewy mush

Then you tried to argue that "both adaptations can change it if they want!", and it was clear that somehow you failed to understand the simple argument I provided. Maybe you didn't pay enough attention, or you simply lacked the capacity to do so. If you re-read carefully, you will notice I never argued that an anime could not change the source material. I stated that in this story, Saito's character and his relationship with Akane do NOT change depending on the adaptation. It doesn't matter if they could do it, they didn't, and the same information remains there.
I don't know what went through your head to claim they re-wrote their relationship or that we can't understand what he is thinking. That's such an idiotic thing to say that I'm surprised you were bold enough to do so. The information and arguments I provided align with all three versions of the story.

My introduction to this story was via the manga, that was all I read until I saw the anime announcement, after that I dropped the manga and waited for the anime. I waited until all 12 episodes aired to pick up the manga again, and after that, I continued to the light novel. It makes no sense for you people to say "well, the anime/manga didn't make it clear!" when my first experience with the story was the same as yours, and for me, it was always abundantly clear that Saito has feelings for Akane and enjoys their time together. Yes, including the bickering.

Him playing along with her outbursts and adding to her absurd claims not proof enough for you? Or when he made those strawberry sandwiches to give her energy while she was studying? Or when he skipped his grandpa's party to meet Akane because she felt lonely?
If you can look at moments like those and claim to me that he doesn't care for her, that he shows resentment, that we can't know what he's thinking, that he's only doing it out of politeness, that when he says "I hate her too!" he genuinely means it, then you're too fucking stupid to understand his character and we are long past the point of what is considered a serious discussion and this conversation is over.

THIS IS NOT EVEN A COMPLICATED STORY. I genuinely can't understand how you people can watch it and come up with any conclusion other than that. It makes me wonder if this is all some type of projection, maybe you had a bad experience with someone difficult to deal with like Akane in real life, and now you're projecting your anger toward the characters and expecting Saito to share the same resentment as you. But he doesn't. Never have and never will.

Yeah... how and what they talked to each other about hasn't been revealed to us yet but based on how Saito keeps thinking about it, he must've really enjoyed it. No matter how many years pass, there's no way Akane would magically lose her speaking style apart from a terrible experience that forces her to change herself drastically. Therefore, he'll always come back to her somehow because he notices that similarity.

I think Saito's just waiting for Akane to be ready while also dealing with the seed of doubt she keeps putting in his head. At this point, I think we're working with Akane's comedic antics before it's official, the wake-up call she got seems to indicate that. There's also Saito's thoughts if we could get to see more of that. I'm not sure if I'm actually understanding the hints of what's going on in Saito's head.

Fun fact: anime adaptation is 99% faithful to the manga. The only thing I don't think was in the anime is probably the sex-offending mascot and one or two of some chapters' epilogues.

 

[masterofcringe]

Also how's the LN compared to the Manga, like what do you think has been cut out in the Manga compared to the LN? I'm feeling a bit dicey about reading the LN because there were some weird chapters in the manga. It's pretty clear that the author is dragging on the story but it's not really being dragged on in a good way.

 

[masterofcringe]

What a piece of cuntent I actually liked the vanilla ish story earlier I continue to have lower expectations from this manga every chapter.

Medaka's Impervious to My Charms is better. The author does drag the story on for a while but the romance progress becomes extremely clear soon enough. And it's dragged on with consideration to their character development too, any character development that occurs has future chapters that makes good use of it. It's not like the weirdness that sometimes happens here where the ring Saito bought for Akane is never worn again and somehow has a neutral impact on the story.

The male lead has all but made up his mind and the ball is in MC's court, then you'll see comedy and enjoyable cringe from there onwards until the author decides to finish.

Actually the author uses alot of cringe to drag out the story, so unless you're fond of cringe, you might not enjoy alot of the chapters like 20-30%.

 

[onionskins]

I get it, the tsundere girl is a retard, but there's no way you guys are defending the snake 'best friend' and the snake little sister.

 

[masterofcringe]

I get it, the tsundere girl is a retard, but there's no way you guys are defending the snake 'best friend' and the snake little sister.

oh yeah, Himaru is definitely trying her best to manipulate him and it seems like he hasn't really picked up on that side of her. The little sister is pretty aggressive but I don't think she'll really get anywhere, just a nuisance that's going to drive us crazy every now and then.

 

[dontaskquestions]

You're right, it's not up to interpretation or debate. You should not use an outside source as defense for why something (or someone) is a certain way based upon the adaptation. I'll try to be a bit more clear about why.

You say that Saito's character and his relationship with Akane is something that does not change between mediums. That is false. The information you are providing has not been shown to us yet in the anime or manga. The reason we have been telling you that the information from the LN is useless is because both adaptations can change it if they decide to do so because all the mediums are their own thing. At any point the mangaka can look at the information you provided and go "nah that's silly, I'm gonna change it" since the information you provided has not been hinted at whatsoever.

Now to tackle your last few sentences, since it seems you are using Saito's patience has a reason why the information you provided is relevant, it just tells me that you have limited experience in interpersonal relationships. I hate my coworkers. Me hating my coworkers does not mean I ignore them. It does not mean I antagonize them. It does not mean that I am not nice to them. I am however forced to maintain a professional relationship with them because of my close proximity to them despite my personal feelings. We have Akane's personal feelings here since it has been shown to us that she doesn't actually hate Saito. Saito's perspective has not been shown to such a degree. As far as we, the manga and/or anime viewers, are aware, Saito may have an actual disliking of Akane because of how she acts but is forced to be cordial because of the relationship they currently have. The perspective that you have is currently exclusive to the light novel since the two other adaptations has not shown that perspective.

I don't know how much more clear I can be about this.

It's actually hilarious how you want to call that guy out on "limited experience in interpersonal relationships" while displays the most unhinged lack of touch with the relationships portrayed in the story. It's like you have a real deficiency when it comes to understanding people's feelings and emotions. Is it something you struggled with your whole life? Maybe is it even something you might have been diagnosed with after you reached your adult years? Who knows.

 

[zenwarrior]

nah bro put akane out on the curb. don't have time for games. himari is just better.

 

[intmanga]

Tsunderes deserve to lose

 

[PrinceJarming]

Himari’s right, Akane had the love her life served to her on a silver platter and she refuses to just take it. Like girl you just made a declaration about your intent to properly win him over. Hell, the two of you are already married so you actually already won right out the gate. Just tell him you love him already!

Being a tsundere’s cute and all and you can justify it as long as you’re at least on the surface willing to lose him, but she’s not. At this point she’s just being stupid and difficult and it’s only hurting herself.

Himari’s actually puts in effort here despite knowing she could never be anything more than a side piece.

 

[cksn]

everyone yelling about what each girl is doing wrong, that doesn't matter, the retard is saito for being passive and pretending he doesn't understand akane.

even the most committed feminist in his position would have to have realized by now, ok, stop paying attention to what she says because it just doesn't matter

akane's easier to deal with than most real life girls and it's not enough for him?

 

[sceptiel33]

I'm just going to leave this here for anyone who wants to read it.

Spoiler: Light novel Himari Hate

Himari took Saito’s hand and started running while pulling him along. She held on to his hand tightly to ensure he wouldn’t be able to escape, taking him into the shed next to the gymnasium. The scent of sweat and metal filled the shed, and it felt a bit chilly. It was buried with various balls used for ball sports, a balance beam, a vaulting box, as well as various mattresses for gymnastics. Himari closed the metal sliding door behind her, which created a metallic cracking noise telling you how old it must be. She then leaned against the door, as if she intended to block off any possible escape. Her long blonde hair fell over her face and hid her expression.

“Saito-kun…You’re conscious of Akane now, right?”

“Wha…”

How did she see through him? He felt a cold chill run down his spine. But she probably didn’t catch on to his reaction and continued.

“It’s so obvious to see for me. I love you, after all. So don’t even try to hide it, I’m already sure of it.”

Saito swallowed his saliva. Himari knew the most about controlling the human mind, so figuring out how Saito felt was probably as simple as making breakfast.

“Don’t tell Akane about this…”

“I won’t, I won’t. I’m a bad girl, after all,” Himari snickered.

“Wouldn’t it be worse if you told her?”

After all, Akane would be grossed out and that would completely ruin Saito’s current life.

“Not at all. Keeping quiet is much worse.”

“Why?”

“Hmm, I wonder why?”

Himari showed a captivating smile and approached Saito. In this locked room, a mature perfume scent emitted from Himari’s neck. Despite the shed being relatively cold, she gave off a passionate and steamy aura that influenced their surroundings. Saito took a step back, but he eventually reached a stack of mattresses denying further retreat.

“You know, I don’t want things to stay like this.”

“What do you mean?”

Himari didn’t respond to his question and just quietly observed him, a certain determination burning in his eyes.

“Even if I can’t change the result, I can change its degree. And if I leave a mark in your heart, then I might be able to fully turn it around someday. In ten years or even twenty years, my poison might start working. So…you could say this is my useless struggle.”

As soon as she finished those words, Himari leaped at Saito. Unable to keep his balance, he fell over with Himari on top of him. Her plump body pressed against him, all he could smell was her scent. Of course, he did attempt to break free, but—

“I already have Akane—”

“I don’t care about that.”

Saito wasn’t allowed to finish his sentence because Himari covered his mouth with her lips, as the sound of their teeth clashing filled the shed. Her soft honey was forcefully fed to Saito. It felt like she was actively feeding him poison. She pressed her soft body onto him, close enough that they could melt into one, leaving traces of her own DNA.

“I’ll make it so you can’t forget about me. Every time you and Akane kiss, you’ll remember this kiss between us.”

“Akane and I aren’t in that sort of relationship—”

Himari wouldn’t listen to Saito’s words. She simply stared at him with a pair of possessed eyes, whispering with a sweet breath while their lips overlapped.

“One day, you and Akane will break up. I know that because I’ve seen Akane much longer than anybody else. What you two have won’t work out. And once that happens, come see me. I’ll do everything you want me to.”

Her words were like sweet poison, melting his ears and assaulting his soul.

“Everything…”

“I won’t betray you. I won’t get angry at you—Even if you hurt me. You don’t have to do or feel anything. I’ll be your wall that protects you from this scary world. I’ll spoil you as much as you want,” Saito declared while looking down at Saito.

Her love was like a black hole that absorbed everything. This passion she showed Saito was unlike her normal behavior. So much so that it gave him the creeps.

“I feel like I’d turn into a total good-for-nothing if I were to date you.”

“That’s good. That way, you won’t go anywhere, right? Just leave everything to me,” she flashed a captivating, almost devious, smile and then used her palm to cover Saito’s eyes.

 

[Lewd_Beast]

I’ve grown to hate Himari’s character a lot

I hated the screaming tsundere from the first chapter. I didn't even watch the anime because of how stupid she was.