Danjo-hi 1:5 no Sekai demo Futsuu ni Ikirareru to Omotta? ~Gekiomoi Kanjou na Kanojo-tachi ga Mujikaku Danshi ni Honrou Saretara~ - Ch. 19

[Totemslap]

Didn't know she was freaky like that

Didn't read chapter 3?

 

[Ovaeron]

:O

 

[Biodrum]

And now we just need to wait another 20 some-odd months for Shiori to pop his cherry.

…I don’t remember that part. Though tbf I stopped reading the wn a while ago and stuck to the ln so maybe it’s just not happened yet in the ln

 

[chrno_12]

Thanks for the translation! Finally progress!!!!

 

[Totemslap]

…I don’t remember that part. Though tbf I stopped reading the wn a while ago and stuck to the ln so maybe it’s just not happened yet in the ln

It most definitely happens. I'm not sure if the LN has gotten that far, but unless it diverges from the WN, that's how it'll go.

 

[DMan_chine]

On the one hand, I want to make a joke about victim blaming. On the other hand, you're absolutely correct. I made a comment as early as chapter 3 after having read the WN that Masato makes absolutely no attempt to push back against Yuka's advances. I don't want to spoil any future events, but suffice it to say he is not a victim. He's a person who knowingly puts himself in situations that have a very obvious outcome, and expresses very little in the way of actual discomfort with the results beyond "Woe is me, this incredibly erotic JC forced me to see her as a woman and turned me into a lolicon!"

Personally I'm here for it, because I love degenerate shit and taboo romance in my fiction. But it is extremely difficult to frame Masato as a victim of anything other than his own cripplingly irresponsible behavior—and that's the most charitable reading of events to come. The more realistic reading is "This motherfucker wants this, he's just rationalizing that he doesn't because he knows it's wrong."

FYI Yuka is my favorite character, so I'm not complaining about any of this. But there's no denying that it's what's written. Masato is a willing participant in Yuka's "romantic" endeavors toward him. That's simply a fact.

Yea, pretty much. I mean, I don't technically mind there being shown romance between adult and... "younger" people... in literature. You are trying to tell a story, after all, and I don't mind if you want to tell a specific story that involves such a relationship. I don't like that those exist because it does make me VERY uncomfortable, but will still read. My issue here is that he clearly makes no attempt to stop something he clearly knows is wrong, or at least, that what we are shown. Whatever the author is trying to say, he's either doing a poor job at showing that he had no way of escaping it, he wants to show that this guy likes/wants it even when he knows its wrong, or--and I don't want to accept this-- it's his fetish and he wants to write it. Whatever it is, this is obviously wrong.

And I am surprised people don't care or ever cheer for it in the comments here... half of it seem to have a very strong reaction about it when others point how wrong it is.

 

[DMan_chine]

I'm not convinced the story itself is saying it's not wrong.

Man, I wish I could spend time talking about this. Unfortunately, time is short and there's lots to do. I will be brief, much your chagrin.

First, I will have to say I let a lot of what I wanted to say out of my discussion, partly because I thought it was somewhat obvious and partly because it wasn't that relevant. Women being stronger, I understood... but she's still young and he's a sporty guy, so unless women are super-humanly strong, relative to our world (that is, even stronger than men in our world), he would still be able to fight her. Now, regardless, yea, what she's doing is wrong. Still, an adult has more responsibilities than a kid. She's still very young and there's a lot we can wave off because she's still really young, even though the things she's doing are wrong. But all of this in the context of she's doing this with an adult, who is doing nothing about it. The blame falls squarely on the adult, no matter how you see it.

I understand the context. I just think this is bad regardless of context. Masato doing nothing is terrible. Yuka forcing herself on him is bad too.

I would like to point to you here to my earlier response where I tough on my thoughts on the story and author. No point in repeating myself.

Yea, pretty much. I mean, I don't technically mind there being shown romance between adult and... "younger" people... in literature. You are trying to tell a story, after all, and I don't mind if you want to tell a specific story that involves such a relationship. I don't like that those exist because it does make me VERY uncomfortable, but will still read. My issue here is that he clearly makes no attempt to stop something he clearly knows is wrong, or at least, that what we are shown. Whatever the author is trying to say, he's either doing a poor job at showing that he had no way of escaping it, he wants to show that this guy likes/wants it even when he knows its wrong, or--and I don't want to accept this-- it's his fetish and he wants to write it. Whatever it is, this is obviously wrong.

And I am surprised people don't care or ever cheer for it in the comments here... half of it seem to have a very strong reaction about it when others point how wrong it is.

 

[Noy_Telinu]

Even the Basketball knew it was Onii x Loli

 

[Bakuryuu]

BBBRRRUUUUHHHHHH

That pure crush went to immorality like 1 to 100 real quick

 

[MuddyWorm]

Ngl, really disappointed in this chapter. I don’t ever comment but i had held out hope for this story to be more moral I guess? That is a middle school child. I only single this manga out because it seemed up to this point to understand that she was never actually a romantic interest because she’s a CHILD and that her arc should be learning to give him up because he’s way too old for her. I will be reading the next few chapters with a grain of salt and probably drop it if it continues in this direction -_-

 

[Kuroryu_21]

Thanks for the chapter!!!

 

[Daruma05]

She's middle schooler btw....

So yeah GGs bruh ✌😭💔

 

[Totemslap]

The most discussed chapter of the manga. I knew it would be, but it happened faster than I thought. Well done, lads.

 

[Codfish7]

Lolicons eating good I guess? This is certainly a choice the manga went down.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Man, I wish I could spend time talking about this. Unfortunately, time is short and there's lots to do. I will be brief, much your chagrin.

First, I will have to say I let a lot of what I wanted to say out of my discussion, partly because I thought it was somewhat obvious and partly because it wasn't that relevant. Women being stronger, I understood... but she's still young and he's a sporty guy, so unless women are super-humanly strong, relative to our world (that is, even stronger than men in our world), he would still be able to fight her. Now, regardless, yea, what she's doing is wrong. Still, an adult has more responsibilities than a kid. She's still very young and there's a lot we can wave off because she's still really young, even though the things she's doing are wrong. But all of this in the context of she's doing this with an adult, who is doing nothing about it. The blame falls squarely on the adult, no matter how you see it.

I understand the context. I just think this is bad regardless of context. Masato doing nothing is terrible. Yuka forcing herself on him is bad too.

I would like to point to you here to my earlier response where I tough on my thoughts on the story and author. No point in repeating myself.

Definitely understand prioritizing the rest of your day, certainly.
You don't have to push to respond to this; I'm writing it now while I have a moment to try and get my own thoughts in order while they're still fresh and semi-coherent.

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I mostly was just responding because you seemed like you wanted to have an actual discussion rather than leaving acerbic reactionary denouncements of the characters/author, and/or being pithy for the sake of being edgy about "ooh it's so taboo" but never going past surface-level engagement.

To the general gist of your point as I understand it - I cannot speak to the exact nuance of how the "women strength / men strength" of the setting operates.
If I had to guess, it's a faithful mirror of how, generally, men are stronger with respect to women in our world (i.e. Masato's world), on average. And that Masato, after spending more time in that new world, is finding himself changing to reflect his new reality, with respect to his strength relative to how he use to be (effectively "becoming like the other men native to this universe", type thing). If that's the case, it would satisfy how he was able to beat 4 middle school basketball players alongside Yuka in that earlier chapter, and how--according to vague spoilers elsewhere in this thread--how he's apparently going to be man-handled again by the various heroines going forward.
Yuka did also target his injury in his right arm. Which was pointed out in this very chapter, so there's a through-line to her exploiting an existing weakness of Masato's to further hobble him. If she was applying pressure, that sort of thing can incapacitate someone, and allow them to be overpowered and put through whatever the assailant wants.

That all said - I am in general agreement, that from a morality standpoint, this isn't good of Masato. But, I would stress and reiterate, that the chapter ends abruptly on this happening; so whatever aftermath comes of Yuka pushing him down and forcing herself on him, has to wait until the storyline is addressed again.
Again, that's not me condoning Yuka or Masato's conduct here; but from a storytelling standpoint, we just got the shocking reveal and cliffhanger, but it's not like the narrative just stops here and we all go "welp that's all that's happening, obviously Masato's fully into it and he's just going along with Yuka".
We know that she continued to assault him for an hour, yes; but we have no idea as to what happens when she stops--or how she stops, for that matter. We don't know what Masato's thoughts are, beyond the snippets we get on the last pages, or what he's thinking once this ordeal is over. We don't know what follow-up he'll have, or what fallout will occur for either of them in the coming hours or days.
Basically--the incident itself can be scrutinized and judged in that it's occurring, but the incident is also still ongoing, and we don't know how it concludes or what occurs at & past that endpoint. I'm of the opinion that waiting to get that information is important, because it will provide further context to what's happening, along with Masato's mental & emotional state after being effectively surprised and caught flatfooted and then assaulted while he's left dealing with Yuka pouring out her emotions on him at the same time.

I'm not going to say this is all fine and dandy, but it's also the story we're being given, and I'd also put forward that it's not even necessarily being presented as "the author's barely-disguised fetish", as it were. That assessment requires more data to really be evaluated, but this isn't happening out of the blue--there's been plenty of setup across the story to telegraph that this sort of thing was likely, all the way back from chapter 3 when Yuka was taking deep inhales of Masato's jersey, to the constant internal narrative from her about worrying about those around her meeting Masato, and how he is always treating her like a little sister.
Her infatuation with him isn't a secret, and Masato's been characterized as someone who treats every woman he comes across like he's already dating them. It was what ended his past relationships that we get word of before he came here, and it was spelled out to him and he's since chosen to disregard the lesson buried in his being dumped.

So we have at least an established through-line to show that what's transpired is believable enough, between the setting, the characterization of the involved actors, and past events and the narrative up to this point between them and individually. It's still at best a questionable event, but as I said initially--I'm not convinced that it's being portrayed as a "good thing" or something to be celebrated.

We know that all five of the heroines are growing increasingly obsessed and possessive of Masato, to his continued (until now) ignorance, and he was perpetually feeding into their growing feelings by his behavior and lack of propriety in how he interacted with them. But the setting has been established as one where men run the risk of being assaulted if a woman is desperate enough. Seira, as a prime example, shows the latent danger posed to Masato directly in this way. Yuka just happens to be more earnest and less "yandere", but also more proactive and desperate in making her case of "not being treated like a sister, but as a girl".

So what's happening here carries those same undertones of danger for Masato. It's also just the first instance where he's being confronted with the reality that's been lurking under the surface this entire time, that he's been either wholly ignorant to, or has been willfully ignoring about his new world. And, there's an argument that the most pure and unassuming heroine being the one to initiate this crossing of threshholds carries additional weight in driving the severity of this plot point home.

That's not necessarily the story saying this is a good thing. But that is the story saying it's a significant thing.

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Beyond that, I'll just copy/paste the last thought, which I think is also very important because it separates the story, from the readers reacting to it:

"It's clear the average reader here isn't looking to meaningfully engage with the story without bias one way or the other, though, and tilting at them is sadly not going to lead anywhere productive, as the majority of this comment section indicates."

Because the readers aren't the story. The way they engage with it will influence and color the reception and reactions and opinions of other readers, especially when we can only engage with one another in our consumption of the chapters due to the absence of the author. But those lauding or condemning the chapter aren't going to necessarily provide an accurate analysis of the narrative and events as they stand on their own merit, because our biases and ideologies color our every word.
So parsing what's "reasonable" in terms of analysis of the story from all of the hot takes and arguments and blanket admonitions and infighting is important, I think, when dealing with any written or visual work. Much less one with characters and scenarios like this chapter, in particular. Those opinions are still important, but it's also worthwhile to identify and separate out that collective and manifold bias for the sake of parsing the story as it's intended to be read and interpreted.

Plus - and this is anecdotal, so take it with the requisite grain of salt - but in my experience there will always be people who seek to glorify something that others find objectionable, especially around a shared experience like books or comics or movies or songs or celebrites. It's entirely reactionary to the sentiments initially expressed, and it tends to become something of its own: no longer directly tied to the original work that spawned the discourse, but purely in pursuit of "riling up" those who hold a view that the reactionary people wish to counter.
That is absolutely happening here in this comment section, and the more that other people push back against that glorifying, the more that group will double down.

Which again--is why I initially mentioned that bolded text above. At a certain point it's no longer about the manga, or the chapter, or the characters, or the action that started it all, but about the feedback loop of people wanting to shout down and disparage "the other side" of the debate, and it becomes a race to the bottom of one-liners and increasingly digressing and abstracted personal attacks.
And it can be valuable to tune that out, at least to a degree, because it will muddy any actual discourse and discussion that other people here try to partake in, or at least to be aware that it's happening and how to parse it.

 

[lorenzonaofumix]

Damn, she's aggressive tho. I really like that but unfortunately, the psychopath girl is still stalking them. And if her know this situation, it will be not good

 

[lorenzonaofumix]

who cares about the fbi and cops when there's true love also she basically forced him, he's the victim

You're right hahahahaa, this is unexpected. Maybe he's still enjoyed?

 

[Omni08]

Holy not only did she finesse him, but the other girls too lmfao

 

[DMan_chine]

Given we're in agreement with a lot of things. I want to close these threads with some considerations:

Yuka did also target his injury in his right arm. [...] If she was applying pressure, that sort of thing can incapacitate someone, and allow them to be overpowered and put through whatever the assailant wants.

He doesn't need to use power, although that would have been ideal. Turning his head away and avoiding the kiss would have been the least he could have done. Even pinned down, there were actions/options that could have taken that he didn't. Trying is part of the equation, all he did was say "I can't move my arm" which at this point sound more like an excuse.

We know that all five of the heroines are growing increasingly obsessed and possessive of Masato, to his continued (until now) ignorance, and he was perpetually feeding into their growing feelings by his behavior and lack of propriety in how he interacted with them.

Oh, yea. This whole story is about a guy being affectionate with women who definitely not sane. They are obsessive and possessive. Yuka being the least bad among them, but I guess this is the turning point for her, maybe? Or maybe that's the whole point, that she too will fall down this rabbit hole. Good catch on the attitude Masato has with women since his previous life. Just goes to show that it always takes two tango.

"It's clear the average reader here isn't looking to meaningfully engage with the story without bias one way or the other, though, and tilting at them is sadly not going to lead anywhere productive, as the majority of this comment section indicates."

I'm more surprised by the strong response people have to others pointing out the obvious. Some go so far as to say it's pedo behavior, I wouldn't go that far. But I don't see how this is in anyway defensible. "Don't kiss the middle-schooler, that's bad," is somehow a bad comment for some people. Like, my comments and behavior here isn't about telling people what to think, but about raising point and giving consideration to ideas. You can like the story and still be vocal about the bad things that happen IN the story.

 

[H0n53]

Holy shit...