Datsuraku Shita Kizokuke ni Hirowaretanode Ongaeshi de Hukkou Sasemasu - Vol. 2 Ch. 8 - Friend

[SupBroZX]

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[Artimid]

Expelling him won't change anything. Bald sensei is correct in trying to fix him if he is to be the future ruler of the country. The old principal is an ass for thinking of the academy's reputation first though

You are right. He's a powerful psychopathic mage. Expelling won't work, seal his magic and lock him away so he doesn't kill people for no reason.

 

[Firemorfox]

nah mate. expel the prat immediately.
hell, let everyone know why the prince should be expelled. if royalty has a whinge, ask them who brought the prince up to act like that.

plot twist
he was already the royal pain in the ass, and they dumped him on the academy so he wouldn't mess around at the palace.

 

[Tsuki09]

The expelling him from school would only make sense if he wasn't going to appear anymore, but I hope bald sensei plans to punish him with something he would definitely hate, like helping commoners or so, and then whatever happen is given a good result. Thought, I doubt he's going to easily cooperate and reform, if anything I think he's going to do something even worse and is going to be the royal family the one to deal with him.

 

[Sugarbeef]

said it before but I’m sure now that the bald homeroom teacher is a white haired demon (or a massive red herring)

He's a villain no matter what the author does, kid attempted straight up murder and he just watched.

 

[shadowhunter100]

You know what? I like this.
I was just recently complaining about the "elite school" trope in this villain transmigration story where if an educational institution keeps kicking out any student that doesn't meet its standards and offers no support, it's garbage at its job.

A school and the educators in it should be trying to correct and set bad students back unto the right path. Imagine MHA if someone noticed Bakugo was blatantly unstable by day 3 and put him into some mandatory counseling.

Expelling the prince should theoretically protect the other students, but he's not gonna just disappear. He'll continue being his shitty self and making it everyone else's problem no matter where he is, and he'll be a prince for as long as the king says so.
Sometimes, these sorts of guys are ever-escalating, incorrigible assholes. And maybe the prince is that, but it's important the adults actually try.

Sensei should probably have stepped in sooner, but it looked like he saw it as a growth opportunity for the other students and he seemed confident that he could step in at any time, so I'll give him a pass there.

Depends on the school, risk, and how influential/powerful the perpetrating student is. I can assure you a middling school or a school that only cares about reputation will always do the hush-hush. It is important the adults try, but 50-80% of the time adults simply can't or don't want to handle it appropriately... because the problem child's parents paid their way through and have enough power to stifle isolated cases... or simply keeps FA until the FO.

IIRC I commented in the last chapter this is/was an incredibly stupid move by the prince because everyone will know what he did and this chapter confirmed this was supposed to be a PvE test. But the cutout with Loti Senpai's reaction implies she has a relationship with the troublesome prince. Let's hope it is not another cliche of MC's first crush asking him to go easy on her childhood friend.

 

[Solipsist]

Okay, but the prince wouldn't be going to prison if he was expelled. He'd still be a prince, which is the opposite of being separate from the rest of society.

Depending on how the king handles the whole thing, he'd also be one with entirely too much power and time on his hands while holding a grudge towards the academy.

Granted, he should have some eagle-eyed supervision if he stays here and it's not necessarily safer.

I don't disagree, but it's also not weird to expel someone from an academy for trying to kill a student. The academy at least has to ensure thr students can gtaduate well, without fear of death.

 

[Wyrm]

You know what? I like this.
I was just recently complaining about the "elite school" trope in this villain transmigration story where if an educational institution keeps kicking out any student that doesn't meet its standards and offers no support, it's garbage at its job.

The comparison doesn't stand at all.

The example you give is a form of elitist school that kicks out tons of students for failing to measure up to their peers. It is abnormal by our education standards, but it is a clear policy of keeping and graduating only a few elite combattants. Fostering competition with a clear and ruthless cost (short of death itself, which would be the price for failure in the situations they are preparing for) for failing to meet the bar, not a complete nonsense in a world with monsters. (Assuming there are other training institutions that have lower standards. You can't train the large numbers of fighters required for this world under this mentality alone.)

Here though, it's a matter of disciplinary action, not simply "meeting standards". The present case is about judging a student for gratuitous violence against other students. And also a question of upholding a very difficult reputation: not discriminating based on the students' social status, in a monarchy no less. If they start being lenient with a prince, then this reputation, which is an important selling point, will be proven baseless. Also, there is a matter of ensuring the safety of students to take into account.
Had it been a simple matter of flaunting his status, that would be within the scope of a light penalty within the school. But we're clearly beyond this point.
That's why expulsion wouldn't be pointless, contrary to the arguments of some of the faculty members. It would fail to give a chance at redemption to the offender, but it would have purpose for many people other than this student. There might be alternatives, but they must impose a severe penalty, and expulsion should be very much on the table.

Bald-sensei has a very grave responsibility now. Reforming a violent student with a clear inferiority complex while preventing harm to other students. If anything happens again, his head should be on the (figurative) chopping block, no matter how well intentioned he is.

I'm not saying that this conclusion is wrong. (It will depend on the sanction that is eventually imposed on Heath.) Doing something right is often a delicate balance between conflicting objectives. It's difficult, and the cost of mistakes can be very high. However, though the matter of expulsion should not be a trivial one, it has to remain under consideration, and eventually applied in case of repeated offenses of that level. If the student at fault shows no sign of remorse and improvement, the school can't risk both its reputation and the health (and potentially lives) of other students indefinitely.

 

[Psychronia]

The comparison doesn't stand at all.

The example you give is a form of elitist school that kicks out tons of students for failing to measure up to their peers. It is abnormal by our education standards, but it is a clear policy of keeping and graduating only a few elite combattants. Fostering competition with a clear and ruthless cost (short of death itself, which would be the price for failure in the situations they are preparing for) for failing to meet the bar, not a complete nonsense in a world with monsters. (Assuming there are other training institutions that have lower standards. You can't train the large numbers of fighters required for this world under this mentality alone.)

This is a side, but I really do have beef with the trope so I'll argue about it here anyway.
The problem is one of the flunkees goes on to become an S-rank adventurer good enough that someone with meta knowledge hired her for her skills as a "the best that money can buy" sort of deal. And another one was originally part of the protagonists.

Their so-called standards are relentlessly kicking out people with plenty of potential, and even letting their remaining students die on top of that. I'm not sufficiently convinced that, with a ratio of 100 losses to 1 graduate, the realized potential of properly trained lost students is weaker than the one graduate that survives from the process.
As an education facility, that makes them a failure at their primary job.

And that's not even getting into how the process is basically designed to turn all graduates into verified sociopaths.

Here though, it's a matter of disciplinary action, not simply "meeting standards". The present case is about judging a student for gratuitous violence against other students. And also a question of upholding a very difficult reputation: not discriminating based on the students' social status, in a monarchy no less. If they start being lenient with a prince, then this reputation, which is an important selling point, will be proven baseless. Also, there is a matter of ensuring the safety of students to take into account.
Had it been a simple matter of flaunting his status, that would be within the scope of a light penalty within the school. But we're clearly beyond this point.

I don't disagree with the other points you made, or even the part quoted here. But I'll add to the that the prince should definitely not be getting off for his status. His status complicates things and so it needs to be handled differently, but that's not the same as discrimination. It's more that the prince can be a problem thanks to the resources at this disposal, and that affects the feasibility of expulsion as a solution compared to if it had been another student.

A severe penalty should definitely be a given too. The exact details will depend on Bald-sensei, but fundamentally, the punishment should be feedback for his behavior and a means to correct it. Off the top of my head, forcing him to somehow serve and empathize with commoners would be a good direction to take things.
The prince should also be more heavily supervised from now on, but that's less a punishment and more a matter of policy for the sake of other students.

 

[Koneko_Nyaa]

Please just take out the trash. Don't try to reform him.
I hate redemption arcs. Even more than that, I hate villains who keep coming back because they weren't punished properly.

We lose either way. For the readers' sake, this manga needs to move beyond recycling a character that has already played his part.