Demon Fist Daydreamer - Vol. 8 Ch. 47

[MangaDex]

 

[vodspod]

I think it is a little sad that the author is using Lute as what seems to be a strawman of left leaning ideals, while trying to make the main character out to always be right with right leaning ideals. It would be nice if people who wrote stories would actually have the antagonists not be strawmen of ideologies that they are against.

 

[NinjaKirby]

I think it is a little sad that the author is using Lute as what seems to be a strawman of left leaning ideals, while trying to make the main character out to always be right with right leaning ideals. It would be nice if people who wrote stories would actually have the antagonists not be strawmen of ideologies that they are against.

I'd say that's not quite right. Blue Justice in general are closer to virtue signalers than straw men. They see something that they perceive as wrong and then condemn it, but don't have any actual solutions to the problems at hand. In two situations where they have come in conflict with slaves prior to this chapter, they have decided that the answer is to "free the slaves by force". here's the thing: nothing is solved by just saying "you're free now." They're now on their own with no food, no shelter, and no money. Some of them are former criminals that may now be on the loose. they could be murderers even. They don't actually have a plan to help the people they free, they just want to free them because "it's the right thing to do". Rather than left/right strawmen, they're people who are blinded by their ideals and "justice" and try to force them on everyone else, turning to violence when it doesn't work out. Right and wrong have nuance to them, and so does solving the problem of slavery. There's a reason it took decades of work by abolitionists in the US irl. The reason that no one likes Blue Justice is that everyone knows that they're these kinds of people. They're not wrong about slavery being wrong, but we can't apply our modern ideology to a medieval fantasy world. It may be unethical, but it's still legal, and changing something in a system like this is a lot harder than just "freeing the slaves." It's not justified either, multiple characters agree that it's unethical, but it's not something they can fix on their own and they know it. Blue Justice is far too naive, thinking that just by forcing their morals on everyone, the world will become better. And because of this, they got tricked by someone putting on an act. What's more, this is an established character flaw, since he already got his wallet stolen once by a criminal slave pretending to be sick and falling over to garner sympathy. I would actually call that good writing! Establishing a flaw, then later having someone exploit it. Additionally, it's worth noting that they were said to be "going after one of the legal ones." This implies that there are illegal slave traders, presumably those that kidnap people and sell them as slaves. This is also part of the flaws of Blue Justice: They have no sense for or care for nuance. The boy the merchants were beating up had stolen what appeared to be a valuable gem, not food. While the merchants were going too far to be sure, they did have something valuable stolen that wasn't out of pure necessity. Minoto, having been warned recently that he shouldn't carelessly stick his neck into situations due to him being a daydreamer, considered his options despite the unnecessary violence. While it's not wrong that just standing by and doing nothing isn't okay and should be something that you feel guilty for, it's not like he didn't want to help. There was both nuance in the situation of the merchants/the thief, and his own situation that he was considering. Blue Justice just storms in, and you can bet that they would have injured if not killed the merchants [and with magic, perhaps even injured bystanders], and what they did do was the exact opposite of what they should have. What the right thing to do there would have been in real life is an attempt to deescalate the situation. Storming in and condemning them while they're angry is just going to make the situation worse. As for parents selling off their children, this used to be a practice in ancient China, and doesn't fit poorly in a more medieval setting. It's still unethical, but I'm looking at this from an objective point of view to analyze it. There were many reasons, such as having too many mouths to feed and not enough money to feed them. However, it could be hard to tell if someone had been kidnapped and sold or sold legally for a reason like that, even in real life. It's not an ethical system, or even a good system, and there are holes in it. But in the end, just trying to take them out of the system with no plan is impossible.

Oh, and to respond to the TL note, he's shocked/disappointed that Elk is glaring at his brother because he wants her to glare at him, I think.

 

[vodspod]

I'd say that's not quite right. Blue Justice in general are closer to virtue signalers than straw men. They see something that they perceive as wrong and then condemn it, but don't have any actual solutions to the problems at hand. In two situations where they have come in conflict with slaves prior to this chapter, they have decided that the answer is to "free the slaves by force". here's the thing: nothing is solved by just saying "you're free now." They're now on their own with no food, no shelter, and no money. Some of them are former criminals that may now be on the loose. they could be murderers even. They don't actually have a plan to help the people they free, they just want to free them because "it's the right thing to do". Rather than left/right strawmen, they're people who are blinded by their ideals and "justice" and try to force them on everyone else, turning to violence when it doesn't work out. Right and wrong have nuance to them, and so does solving the problem of slavery. There's a reason it took decades of work by abolitionists in the US irl. The reason that no one likes Blue Justice is that everyone knows that they're these kinds of people. They're not wrong about slavery being wrong, but we can't apply our modern ideology to a medieval fantasy world. It may be unethical, but it's still legal, and changing something in a system like this is a lot harder than just "freeing the slaves." It's not justified either, multiple characters agree that it's unethical, but it's not something they can fix on their own and they know it. Blue Justice is far too naive, thinking that just by forcing their morals on everyone, the world will become better. And because of this, they got tricked by someone putting on an act. What's more, this is an established character flaw, since he already got his wallet stolen once by a criminal slave pretending to be sick and falling over to garner sympathy. I would actually call that good writing! Establishing a flaw, then later having someone exploit it. Additionally, it's worth noting that they were said to be "going after one of the legal ones." This implies that there are illegal slave traders, presumably those that kidnap people and sell them as slaves. This is also part of the flaws of Blue Justice: They have no sense for or care for nuance. The boy the merchants were beating up had stolen what appeared to be a valuable gem, not food. While the merchants were going too far to be sure, they did have something valuable stolen that wasn't out of pure necessity. Minoto, having been warned recently that he shouldn't carelessly stick his neck into situations due to him being a daydreamer, considered his options despite the unnecessary violence. While it's not wrong that just standing by and doing nothing isn't okay and should be something that you feel guilty for, it's not like he didn't want to help. There was both nuance in the situation of the merchants/the thief, and his own situation that he was considering. Blue Justice just storms in, and you can bet that they would have injured if not killed the merchants [and with magic, perhaps even injured bystanders], and what they did do was the exact opposite of what they should have. What the right thing to do there would have been in real life is an attempt to deescalate the situation. Storming in and condemning them while they're angry is just going to make the situation worse. As for parents selling off their children, this used to be a practice in ancient China, and doesn't fit poorly in a more medieval setting. It's still unethical, but I'm looking at this from an objective point of view to analyze it. There were many reasons, such as having too many mouths to feed and not enough money to feed them. However, it could be hard to tell if someone had been kidnapped and sold or sold legally for a reason like that, even in real life. It's not an ethical system, or even a good system, and there are holes in it. But in the end, just trying to take them out of the system with no plan is impossible.

Oh, and to respond to the TL note, he's shocked/disappointed that Elk is glaring at his brother because he wants her to glare at him, I think.

I think if you are going to write an essay to respond in a comments section you would probably do better just condensing it to bullet points. I don't think anyone has enough interest and attention span to read through the entire thing. Bullet points make it easier to get your point across without it being a slog for readers.

 

[NinjaKirby]

I think if you are going to write an essay to respond in a comments section you would probably do better just condensing it to bullet points. I don't think anyone has enough interest and attention span to read through the entire thing. Bullet points make it easier to get your point across without it being a slog for readers.

My bad, I was just kind of putting out my thoughts, I wasn't really trying to make it easy or hard to read, in the end. I tend to ramble, regardless.

 

[vodspod]

My bad, I was just kind of putting out my thoughts, I wasn't really trying to make it easy or hard to read, in the end. I tend to ramble, regardless.

understandable I tend to do that frequently when I am tired.