Dōu Zhuǎnshēng le, Wǒ Cái Bùyào Zài Gěi Nǐ Bǔmó! - Vol. 1 Ch. 10 - You Were Married?!

[cranscape]

She can’t get mana from many other places in the new world. It’s like the hotel room has only one bed - oh no. Only the world has only one real dependable mana generator - oh no.

 

[minhnghcm7]

Marriage. Covenant.
Tomato. Tomato.

¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[UdenEmpati]

The implication I thought was that Elysia's people were subjects, vassals, or a conquered people to Rachel's Empire. So as a saint Elysia had a duty to give herself to someone from the Empire for mana. Elysia could have chosen this willingly for many reasons, a) if she does it for Rachel no one else needs to, b) she's less likely to be harmed or killed by being useful, c) other mana users could treat her worse, etc. That she also ended up liking Rachel is a separate issue because that is definitely not how their relationship started and from Rachel's perspective, there's no way she would assume that Elysia's feelings had changed.

But also it's hilarious that Rachel saw a marriage and thought "close enough". Maybe the worst thing is that when Xiya hears what she told her sister she will once again misinterpret how Rachel saw their previous relationship.

You are correct - Rachel was some elite warrior of an expansionist empire that was waging war and conquering the lands surrounding it. Elysia was a Saintess with exceptional mana reserves, and to save her land and people, offered herself up as a sacrifice to the Empire, keeping Rachel "topped off" on mana as she expended so much in the process of fighting.

Their relationship was one of "Rachel takes from Elysia", and it started off as Elyisa simply being a prisoner & mana battery. But, the time they spent together went beyond that; they also had "good times" between them, and a definite bond did form up until the moment that Rachel was captured and executed.
There's likely some form of "Stockholm Syndrome" type stuff at play for Elysia; chapter 6 is where a lot of that is detailed (along with the start of chapter 1), but it's clear that though Elysia would like nothing more than to forget it all, "her body" still remembers her time with Rachel, and she's reminded of all the good times they shared along with the bad (like the near-abuse she suffered at the hand of Rachel during the "Mana Transfer Rituals").

From there, it's clear that she developed feelings for Rachel, as well, that go beyond and are separate from her being a prisoner/battery for Rachel during the course of all the conflict, yes. And I agree that Rachel does not currently see it the same way; she might also have feelings for Elysia to some degree, but she is operating under the impression that their connection was entirely transactional, and that because of how one-sided it was, she doubts Elysia would harbor any authentic emotional feelings for her.

Which also makes at least a bit of sense; how could you trust those feelings, when the surrounding context of the situation they arose in would lend to assumptions of coercion?

 

[UdenEmpati]

ok, so now they are the same side, not enemy ?
this is 3rd time now, recon or they will actually coming together ?

what about this is a retcon? I'm still not getting how this is all so confusing for some people.

Elyisa was a Saintess of her people/country, and Rachel was a warrior of an aggressive & expansionist empire.
To protect her people, Elysia 'sacrificed' herself and became a prisoner of that empire, becoming a source of mana for Rachel specifically so that she could fight without worrying about burning herself out.

For awhile, Elysia was simply a prisoner and mana battery for Rachel, and was abused in the process--but there were good memories and moments that they shared as well, until Elysia developed feelings for Rachel over the course of their time together, on top of finding herself physically dependent on the sexual nature of the rituals that the mana transfer involved.
When Rachel was then captured and executed, Elysia was distraught; upon reincarnating, she sought to forget everything about her past life, even as Rachel continued to haunt her dreams. Then, Rachel shows up suddenly, they're reunited, and all those feelings--both emotional and physical--come back to the forefront.
And now, their situation and dynamic are inverted: Elysia is the one with the power and the established control, and Rachel is her "prisoner" (guest) and needs Elysia's help and support to exist in this new setting.

Elysia had developed feelings for Rachel, but doesn't want to admit it to herself. She wants to leave that past behind, and concentrate on her new life, raising her sister Lin Moli. Rachel reappearing brought her past back to her, and all those complicated feelings, and she's literally not had the time to properly process that what was simply never possible, is suddenly an option again, and without all the complications that literal war zones and ongoing chaotic conflict bring.
Rachel, for her part, only ever saw their relationship as transactional, and that Elysia was only ever with her as a means of saving her home country from the expansionist empire that Rachel fought for. She cared about Elysia, but never assumed that anything genuine would form between them because of the inbalanced nature of their relationship.
Now that those imbalanced aspects are absent (or, arguably, inverted between them), there's a chance for something genuine to form. But they are still both processing the changes and this new set of circumstances, and are both likely needing to work through the trauma of their past life and bond to make something healthy and new.

That's the whole of it. It's all been consistent this whole way through, if you just read back the last 10 chapters.

 

[Tcof]

what about this is a retcon? I'm still not getting how this is all so confusing for some people.

Elyisa was a Saintess of her people/country, and Rachel was a warrior of an aggressive & expansionist empire.
To protect her people, Elysia 'sacrificed' herself and became a prisoner of that empire, becoming a source of mana for Rachel specifically so that she could fight without worrying about burning herself out.

For awhile, Elysia was simply a prisoner and mana battery for Rachel, and was abused in the process--but there were good memories and moments that they shared as well, until Elysia developed feelings for Rachel over the course of their time together, on top of finding herself physically dependent on the sexual nature of the rituals that the mana transfer involved.
When Rachel was then captured and executed, Elysia was distraught; upon reincarnating, she sought to forget everything about her past life, even as Rachel continued to haunt her dreams. Then, Rachel shows up suddenly, they're reunited, and all those feelings--both emotional and physical--come back to the forefront.
And now, their situation and dynamic are inverted: Elysia is the one with the power and the established control, and Rachel is her "prisoner" (guest) and needs Elysia's help and support to exist in this new setting.

Elysia had developed feelings for Rachel, but doesn't want to admit it to herself. She wants to leave that past behind, and concentrate on her new life, raising her sister Lin Moli. Rachel reappearing brought her past back to her, and all those complicated feelings, and she's literally not had the time to properly process that what was simply never possible, is suddenly an option again, and without all the complications that literal war zones and ongoing chaotic conflict bring.
Rachel, for her part, only ever saw their relationship as transactional, and that Elysia was only ever with her as a means of saving her home country from the expansionist empire that Rachel fought for. She cared about Elysia, but never assumed that anything genuine would form between them because of the inbalanced nature of their relationship.
Now that those imbalanced aspects are absent (or, arguably, inverted between them), there's a chance for something genuine to form. But they are still both processing the changes and this new set of circumstances, and are both likely needing to work through the trauma of their past life and bond to make something healthy and new.

That's the whole of it. It's all been consistent this whole way through, if you just read back the last 10 chapters.

its can be recon because they seen to be view each other as enemy, but each time it reveal about the past, all is very vague. I open up to the idea they are thing that will fully show later and all thing coming together. there are the gab the story need to fill.

 

[nyannibalism]

thanks for the translation!!!

xiya isn't going to know what to do after xiaomo accidentally mentions at school that her sister has technically been married this time and most of all its to a girl. i have a feeling thats where this will go, at least

 

[UdenEmpati]

its can be recon because they seen to be view each other as enemy, but each time it reveal about the past, all is very vague. I open up to the idea they are thing that will fully show later and all thing coming together. there are the gab the story need to fill.

It seems like you're just taking the fact that we've gotten a bit of backstory in 10 chapters and assuming that's all we're getting, and then going "well the author keeps changing their relationship"...when that's not what's happened. Their relationship is being expanded on and recontextualized, yes, but nothing that's been explained has outright retconned or erased what was said in previous chapters.

And even then, it's still not a retcon. They were on opposing sides, and Elysia was a prisoner under Rachel's watch/control.
That doesn't conflict with Elysia developing feelings for Rachel over the course of their time together, nor does it conflict with Elysia wanting to pursue something with Rachel now in this new life/world, nor does it conflict with Rachel's view of Elysia and the dynamic between them, then or now.

It's a story. There's a timeline and ongoing sequence of events wherein characters change, and the plot is revealed both in past events and present/ongoing events as the narrative unfolds. Not all the pieces or information are just handed to the reader from the get-go, especially when concealing those details is relevant to creating suspense or intrigue in the plot.

 

[Tcof]

It seems like you're just taking the fact that we've gotten a bit of backstory in 10 chapters and assuming that's all we're getting, and then going "well the author keeps changing their relationship"...when that's not what's happened. Their relationship is being expanded on and recontextualized, yes, but nothing that's been explained has outright retconned or erased what was said in previous chapters.

And even then, it's still not a retcon. They were on opposing sides, and Elysia was a prisoner under Rachel's watch/control.
That doesn't conflict with Elysia developing feelings for Rachel over the course of their time together, nor does it conflict with Elysia wanting to pursue something with Rachel now in this new life/world, nor does it conflict with Rachel's view of Elysia and the dynamic between them, then or now.

It's a story. There's a timeline and ongoing sequence of events wherein characters change, and the plot is revealed both in past events and present/ongoing events as the narrative unfolds. Not all the pieces or information are just handed to the reader from the get-go, especially when concealing those details is relevant to creating suspense or intrigue in the plot.

gezz, that why it is a question. "will it recon or everything come together". No need to get so defensive like i kill author entire bloodline 😂

 

[UdenEmpati]

gezz, that why it is a question. "will it recon or everything come together". No need to get so defensive like i kill author entire bloodline 😂

why is it even a question?

"Retcon" carries a specific connotation in storywriting, and all I'm saying is you're clearly mistaken in thinking this resembles anything of the sort.

Try and deflect by calling me defensive if it makes you feel better about yourself, but it doesn't negate what I've said.

 

[Tcof]

why is it even a question?

"Retcon" carries a specific connotation in storywriting, and all I'm saying is you're clearly mistaken in thinking this resembles anything of the sort.

Try and deflect by calling me defensive if it makes you feel better about yourself, but it doesn't negate what I've said.

i say that you should be relax. Chill dude. You are that offense about getting called just defensive. You may want to get off the internet for a bit

 

[UdenEmpati]

i say that you should be relax. Chill dude. You are that offense about getting called just defensive. You may want to get off the internet for a bit

Well if you want to make it personal instead, sure.
I should probably find better uses of my time than trying to engage with a textbook example of dropping literacy rates, yes.

 

[MelonManic]

Mmmmm
Surely unpleasant experiences that much I understand and it would seem she understands
Her apprehension makes much sense
Her push to keep going through with it though...

Pushing herself is one way to put it
Then it could've been the feeling of wanting to help and being needed
But in the now it can only really be built up lust
Ive determined this is a very complex situation seeing as I seek incapable of completely wrapping my head around it... Brilliant

Good lord I wonder the costs to keep her fed to such a degree
Would she even have time to come home and commence Yuri?

Nah that's where your wrong main character number... Ya see kids minds are the most open and creative, their most likely to believe you came from another world of magic and sorcery shit, their mind don't run on logic so the only thing getting shattered is the lies one must keep up to keep it a secret

I mean you should probably understand what your pointing too instead of pointing to random shit-
WAIT- IS THIS ACTUALLY SOME MISUNDERSTANDING TYPE SHIT OR WERE THEY ACTUALLY SOME EQUIVALENT OF BEING MARRIED- my bands aren't wide enough to comprehend, probably not???
UUUUUUUUUUUHHHH

 

[ezzhead]

Ok yeah, so Elysia made it very very clear that she was giving Rachel mana willingly at some point in their relationship. She clearly could've refused and chosen to rest, and Rachel would've let her. Rachel is actively confused as to why Elysia would choose to keep giving her mana despite her exhaustion, SOMEHOW not realizing that Elysia just wants to because she cares about her and she knows Rachel needs mana to fight. She'd get injured if she ran low in the middle of battle. And also cause she wants to fuck. I just don't believe Rachel believed she was doing it because she thought she had no choice, because she obviously didn't want to bother resting just now when her maids were pleading with Rachel. Now obviously Rachel isn't being unreasonable for being hesitant because regardless of what Elysia felt, or whether Rachel would've allowed her to rest if she chose to they had a major power imbalance and an extremely complicated relationship. I'm not saying there's plot holes in this or anything, but Rachel should still just realize Elysia likes her. She's just dumb for that. And again, that's perfectly fine. She's still likable. But she's still dense.

 

[ezzhead]

The implication I thought was that Elysia's people were subjects, vassals, or a conquered people to Rachel's Empire. So as a saint Elysia had a duty to give herself to someone from the Empire for mana. Elysia could have chosen this willingly for many reasons, a) if she does it for Rachel no one else needs to, b) she's less likely to be harmed or killed by being useful, c) other mana users could treat her worse, etc. That she also ended up liking Rachel is a separate issue because that is definitely not how their relationship started and from Rachel's perspective, there's no way she would assume that Elysia's feelings had changed.

But also it's hilarious that Rachel saw a marriage and thought "close enough". Maybe the worst thing is that when Xiya hears what she told her sister she will once again misinterpret how Rachel saw their previous relationship.

.... Why would you not just assume Elysia doesn't want her to get hurt. Like she clearly had the choice to rest a bit before mana transfer just now and she chose to do it immediately instead. I'm sure wanting to stay useful is part of it cause she doesn't wanna die or be discarded, but it's not like people like her are a commodity or anything. She's the saint. She obviously has somewhat of a say in how she's treated simply for the fact that there's no one like her. She's choosing to forgo rest like this mostly of her own accord. She's gotta either be just that horny or just that willing to help Rachel. I'd be inclined to believe the latter. I agree she probably was pressured by the threat of what could happen to her kingdom, obviously those feelings are mixed and she does feel obligated or pressured in some way to answer when Rachel comes calling (don't like the way that sounds actually I phrased that weird) but she's still not a pushover or anything. She seems much more willing (At least maybe later in their relationship) than most people would be is all I'm saying

 

[flowsthead]

.... Why would you not just assume Elysia doesn't want her to get hurt. Like she clearly had the choice to rest a bit before mana transfer just now and she chose to do it immediately instead. I'm sure wanting to stay useful is part of it cause she doesn't wanna die or be discarded, but it's not like people like her are a commodity or anything. She's the saint. She obviously has somewhat of a say in how she's treated simply for the fact that there's no one like her. She's choosing to forgo rest like this mostly of her own accord. She's gotta either be just that horny or just that willing to help Rachel. I'd be inclined to believe the latter. I agree she probably was pressured by the threat of what could happen to her kingdom, obviously those feelings are mixed and she does feel obligated or pressured in some way to answer when Rachel comes calling (don't like the way that sounds actually I phrased that weird) but she's still not a pushover or anything. She seems much more willing (At least maybe later in their relationship) than most people would be is all I'm saying

In chapter 1 she says she was selected to be a saintess, which implies to me there were potentially other candidates. And in chapter 6 she describes herself as the best source of the mana, not the only source. Now obviously we don't know all the details yet, but I would think it's not unreasonable to see it as Elysia protecting other sources of mana, other people from her country. And she explicitly calls herself a captive multiples time so no I wouldn't say she has much say in how she's treated.

 

[ezzhead]

In chapter 1 she says she was selected to be a saintess, which implies to me there were potentially other candidates. And in chapter 6 she describes herself as the best source of the mana, not the only source. Now obviously we don't know all the details yet, but I would think it's not unreasonable to see it as Elysia protecting other sources of mana, other people from her country. And she explicitly calls herself a captive multiples time so no I wouldn't say she has much say in how she's treated.

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that Rachel was and still is confused as to why Elysia pushed herself so hard. She wouldn't be so confused if Elysia didn't have a choice in the matter. Whether that's because Rachel's kingdom valued her, or because Rachel would've just let her rest if she chose to doesn't really matter, the point is Rachel seemed to think she had a choice in at least how much rest she got. Obviously she wouldn't be able to refuse outright for multiple reasons and I'm sure she did want to protect the other candidates from her kingdom but again even Rachel, being someone who would know all of this, is confused at how willing she was to give herself up even when she was injured or sick. Which is another reason why Rachel should at least realize that Elysia wanted to help her, regardless of her reason

 

[flowsthead]

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that Rachel was and still is confused as to why Elysia pushed herself so hard. She wouldn't be so confused if Elysia didn't have a choice in the matter. Whether that's because Rachel's kingdom valued her, or because Rachel would've just let her rest if she chose to doesn't really matter, the point is Rachel seemed to think she had a choice in at least how much rest she got. Obviously she wouldn't be able to refuse outright for multiple reasons and I'm sure she did want to protect the other candidates from her kingdom but again even Rachel, being someone who would know all of this, is confused at how willing she was to give herself up even when she was injured or sick. Which is another reason why Rachel should at least realize that Elysia wanted to help her, regardless of her reason

That's fair. I'm making some assumptions that could be absolutely contradicted later in the story, with more background info. I do agree that at some point Elysia did start caring about Rachel, but we don't know when that was, and it certainly wasn't at the beginning. Present day of she cares about her, but the flashbacks aren't explicit enough for us to know if that was before or after Elysia started caring about her. I think it's up to interpretation at the moment how you read that scene.

 

[GLFanatic]

Dont

i say that you should be relax. Chill dude. You are that offense about getting called just defensive. You may want to get off the internet for a bit

Wasted your time with this guy. They are a narcissist who love to create drama Just for the sake of it, but lack the inteligence to actually make a good argument. They do this all the time. This is the only thing going in their life.

 

[ezzhead]

Dont

Wasted your time with this guy. They are a narcissist who love to create drama Just for the sake of it, but lack the inteligence to actually make a good argument. They do this all the time. This is the only thing going in their life.

But he's right though, there aren't any retcons.

 

[GLFanatic]

But he's right though, there aren't any retcons.

Yeah, but the other guy didn't say there was neither. As he said so himself, It was a question, not an affirmation. But, istead of just understanding that and dropping It, Uden had to act like the usual asshole and getting defensive. Maybe he should just chill out instead of showing an agressive side I'm sure he'll never show in the real world.